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It’s a clear failure by all 7 teams to establish dominance within the division. VT and Miami are supposed to be the powerhouses here and neither has stepped up and been consistent.

An examination of their combined OOC record probably reveals that their performance OOC and in cross division games is similarly awful. G5 losses, FCS losses, and not a whole lot of P5 wins.
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The amazing thing is that before this 7-year stretch, no one without "Tech" in the name had ever won the division.
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I'd stack 2014 Georgia Tech up against any "mediocre" team in any conference.

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(11-29-2019 11:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It’s a clear failure by all 7 teams to establish dominance within the division. VT and Miami are supposed to be the powerhouses here and neither has stepped up and been consistent.

An examination of their combined OOC record probably reveals that their performance OOC and in cross division games is similarly awful. G5 losses, FCS losses, and not a whole lot of P5 wins.

I don't know about their OOC records but VT & Miami have both lost a majority of their cross-division games these past seven seasons. VT is 6-9 & Miami is 7-8.

The Coastal as a whole hasn't done too badly against the Atlantic over that span. The Atlantic has the edge with a 55-47 record. (That includes CCGs and Maryland's 2 cross-division wins in 2013.) Clemson has 16 of the Atlantic's 55 wins.
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(11-29-2019 11:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  An examination of their combined OOC record probably reveals that their performance OOC and in cross division games is similarly awful. G5 losses, FCS losses, and not a whole lot of P5 wins.

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ACC schools in final CFP rankings:
2014 - #3 Florida St, #12 Georgia Tech, #17 Clemson, #21 Louisville
2015 - #1 Clemson, #9 Florida St, #10 North Carolina
2016 - #2 Clemson, #11 Florida St, #13 Louisville, #22 Virginia Tech
2017 - #1 Clemson, #10 Miami, #22 Virginia Tech, #24 North Carolina St
2018 - #2 Clemson, #20 Syracuse
2019 - (projecting) #3 Clemson

18 ranked schools. 13 from Atlantic Division and 5 from Coastal Division.
Atlantic:
Clemson 6x
Florida St 3x
Louisville 2x
Virginia Tech 2x
Georgia Tech 1x
Miami 1x
North Carolina 1x
North Carolina St 1x
Syracuse 1x
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(11-29-2019 05:40 PM)usffan Wrote:  

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ACC Coastal has achieved the pinnacle of college football.
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Why is this considered a negative. Looks like almost any team has a shot to win that division any given season.
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(11-30-2019 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-29-2019 11:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  An examination of their combined OOC record probably reveals that their performance OOC and in cross division games is similarly awful. G5 losses, FCS losses, and not a whole lot of P5 wins.

Lazy

No, working parent with 2 children under the age of 2 who doesn’t have enough time to try to talk sense into every ACC fanboy riding the coattails of Clemson and Florida St’s success over the past 2 decades.

Wikipedia has conveniently already calculated the regular season results for the last 3 seasons for the entire conference:

2017:
P5/ND 8-13
G5 16-2
FCS 11-0

2018:
P5/ND 4-14
G5. 18-4
FCS. 14-0

2019:
P5/ND. 3-15
G5. 17-4
FCS. 14-1

Combined 3 year total:
P5/ND. 15-42
G5. 51-10
FCS. 39-1

Going back 3 more years to the start of the CFP probably won’t do a whole lot to improve those stats.
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So you were wrong about the G5 and FCS. Great, that’s all I wanted.

What would be interesting to know is what the overall records vs. the P5/ND are from other conferences. Not the winning percentage where half the conference doesn’t even play an OOC P5. The ACC with an 8 game schedule doesn’t produce and incestuous winning percentage vs the P5 like other conferences that don’t schedule those games.

The ACC plays the games and can never be called out for weak scheduling, yet somehow gets ripped on for beating up on one another. Quality losses don’t exist apparently.
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(12-02-2019 02:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  So you were wrong about the G5 and FCS. Great, that’s all I wanted.

What would be interesting to know is what the overall records vs. the P5/ND are from other conferences.

You seem to want to find some sub-set of data that makes the ACC look less than awful this year, LOL.

Fortunately for you, there are sites like Sagarin and the Massey Composite. There, Ph.D. geeks who really don't care about Tar Heels and Cowboys and Trojans but are fascinated by numbers and statistics have already done the heavy lifting for you. They've factored in everything you are thinking of - and more.

And what those websites say is ... the ACC has been terrible this year.

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Since you’re a Big Ten guy, let’s analyze the Big Ten OOC and see why you’re so confident about P5 wins.

Michigan crushed Notre Dame
Penn State beat Pitt by 7
Northwestern lost to Stanford
MSU lost to Arizona State
UMD crushed Syracuse (they were who I thought they were)
Purdue beat Vandy and lost to TCU
Iowa beat ISU by 1 point
Rutgers lost to BC
Nebraska lost to Colorado

Will the real Ohio State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana please stand up?

Ohio State is a buzz saw, but nothing here indicates the Big Ten is some strong conference top to bottom.
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A couple of weeks ago I posted this research on my football blog, but the basic stats are largely unchanged by recent results:

1. Of the ACC's 6 P5 losses, 4 of them are to one team - current AP #16 Notre Dame. In addition, Pitt lost a close game at #9 Penn State, Duke lost their opener to #3 Alabama, and Miami was edged out by #11 Florida - a total of 7 losses to teams in the top 16. Add Boise State and ACC teams have played a total of 8 ranked non-conference opponents. Unfortunately, "close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades", and the ACC lost all 8 of those games. [Since then, ACC teams have lost to ranked Georgia and Florida; Also, Boise St and App. State have returned to the Top 25 in the interim].

2. By contrast, SEC teams have played just 5 ranked opponents out of conference - #3 Clemson, #6 Oregon, #16 Notre Dame, #18 Memphis and #22 Texas - posting a record of 3-2 against them - not bad, but a difference of just 3 wins is hardly the chasm some would claim. And remember: the ACC scheduled 8 OOC games against current top 25 teams, whereas the SEC only scheduled 5 [Since then the SEC played one more ranked non-conference opponent - Clemson - and lost again].

3. Boston College's home loss to Kansas [was embarrassing... probably contributed to them firing Steve Addazio. I think the only other "embarrassing" loss whas when Georgia Tech lost to The Citadel].

4. Home field advantage is also a big part of the SEC formula. Check out these tables of non-conference results by home/neutral/away:

SEC Wins Losses Win%
Home 30 7 81%
Neutral 4 1 80%
Away 1 4 20%

ACC Wins Losses Win%
Home 26 6 81%
Neutral 1 2 33%
Away 3 6 33%

Broken down this way we see that the ACC has the same win% as the SEC in terms of HOME non-conference games, and the ACC [was] actually a bit better in true AWAY game out-of-conference. However, the SEC pads its wins by playing MORE home games (37 for the SEC versus just 32 for the ACC - with 8 more home games [SEC went 7-1] and just 1 away game [SEC won it] remaining this season for the SEC, while the ACC has 4 more home [went 3-1] and 5 away [went 1-4] OOC games.

Where the SEC shines over the ACC is neutral site win%. The main reasons for this (IMO) are:
the locations: when SEC teams play neutral site games, the site is as close or closer to the SEC school than it is to the opponent's school. This was accentuated in the Oregon/Auburn game, for example.
the matchups: those 5 neutral-site games for the SEC involved Alabama vs. Duke, Auburn vs. Oregon, LSU vs. Texas, Florida vs. Miami and South Carolina vs. North Carolina. Before the season began, tell me which of those was the SEC team an underdog? (answer: none). So controlling the matchups in favor of the SEC is also a big part of it.

4. Quality of wins/losses
If we use my simple formula (P5 win = good win; G5/FCS loss = bad loss), we get this picture:

SEC (6 good wins - 7 bad losses, 46%)
Good Wins
+ LSU 45, Texas 38
+ Missouri 38, West Virginia 7
+ Auburn 27, Oregon 21
+ Florida 24, Miami (FL) 20
+ Alabama 42, Duke 3 *
+ Georgia 23, Notre Dame 17
Bad Losses
- Tennessee 26, BYU 29
- Mississippi 10, Memphis 15
- Missouri 31, Wyoming 37
- Arkansas 24, San Jose St 31
- Vanderbilt 10, UNLV 34
- Tennessee 30, Georgia St 38
- S. Carolina 15, App. State 20
* Yes, according to my rules Alabama's win over Duke is a "good" win.

ACC (3-4, 43%)
Good Wins
+ Boston Coll 30, Rutgers 16
+ N Carolina 24, S Carolina 20
+ Clemson 24, Texas A&M 10
Bad Losses
- Florida St 31, Boise St 36
- Georgia Tech 2, Temple 24
- N Carolina 31, Appalachian St 34
- Georgia Tech 24, Citadel 27
The ACC makes up for Alabama/Duke with BC/Rutgers (sort of - Rutgers is weaker than Duke but BC is not as strong as Alabama, so the relative mismatch is similar). Also, by my rules FSU/BYU and UNC/App State are both "bad" losses (despite both teams being ranked at one point or another). Besides all that, half of the bad losses this season belong to one team - Georgia Tech - who is rebuilding their offense entirely.

When we focus on just good wins/bad losses, we see that the SEC is 6/7, while the ACC is 3/4 (very close).

BOTTOM LINE: While the raw win% numbers do favor the SEC over the ACC, those numbers hide some significant differences in schedules such as...
(a) more and tougher P5 opponents for the ACC,
(b) more home games for the SEC, and
© favorable neutral-site match-ups for the SEC.

IS THE SEC BETTER THAN THE ACC IN FOOTBALL? YES, I THINK SO. IS IT "MILES" BETTER? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. IS THE SEC EVEN THE BEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE THIS YEAR? IT'S HARD TO SAY SINCE SO MANY BIG TEN TEAMS DIDN'T PLAY ANYBODY OUT-OF-CONFERENCE, BUT I TEND TO THINK THEIRS IS THE BEST AT THE TOP (BUT ALSO THE WORST AT THE BOTTOM!)
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(12-02-2019 04:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  A couple of weeks ago I posted this research on my football blog, but the basic stats are largely unchanged by recent results:

1. Of the ACC's 6 P5 losses, 4 of them are to one team - current AP #16 Notre Dame. In addition, Pitt lost a close game at #9 Penn State, Duke lost their opener to #3 Alabama, and Miami was edged out by #11 Florida - a total of 7 losses to teams in the top 16. Add Boise State and ACC teams have played a total of 8 ranked non-conference opponents. Unfortunately, "close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades", and the ACC lost all 8 of those games. [Since then, ACC teams have lost to ranked Georgia and Florida; Also, Boise St and App. State have returned to the Top 25 in the interim].

2. By contrast, SEC teams have played just 5 ranked opponents out of conference - #3 Clemson, #6 Oregon, #16 Notre Dame, #18 Memphis and #22 Texas - posting a record of 3-2 against them - not bad, but a difference of just 3 wins is hardly the chasm some would claim. And remember: the ACC scheduled 8 OOC games against current top 25 teams, whereas the SEC only scheduled 5 [Since then the SEC played one more ranked non-conference opponent - Clemson - and lost again].

3. Boston College's home loss to Kansas [was embarrassing... probably contributed to them firing Steve Addazio. I think the only other "embarrassing" loss whas when Georgia Tech lost to The Citadel].

4. Home field advantage is also a big part of the SEC formula. Check out these tables of non-conference results by home/neutral/away:

SEC Wins Losses Win%
Home 30 7 81%
Neutral 4 1 80%
Away 1 4 20%

ACC Wins Losses Win%
Home 26 6 81%
Neutral 1 2 33%
Away 3 6 33%

Broken down this way we see that the ACC has the same win% as the SEC in terms of HOME non-conference games, and the ACC [was] actually a bit better in true AWAY game out-of-conference. However, the SEC pads its wins by playing MORE home games (37 for the SEC versus just 32 for the ACC - with 8 more home games [SEC went 7-1] and just 1 away game [SEC won it] remaining this season for the SEC, while the ACC has 4 more home [went 3-1] and 5 away [went 1-4] OOC games.

Where the SEC shines over the ACC is neutral site win%. The main reasons for this (IMO) are:
the locations: when SEC teams play neutral site games, the site is as close or closer to the SEC school than it is to the opponent's school. This was accentuated in the Oregon/Auburn game, for example.
the matchups: those 5 neutral-site games for the SEC involved Alabama vs. Duke, Auburn vs. Oregon, LSU vs. Texas, Florida vs. Miami and South Carolina vs. North Carolina. Before the season began, tell me which of those was the SEC team an underdog? (answer: none). So controlling the matchups in favor of the SEC is also a big part of it.

4. Quality of wins/losses
If we use my simple formula (P5 win = good win; G5/FCS loss = bad loss), we get this picture:

SEC (6 good wins - 7 bad losses, 46%)
Good Wins
+ LSU 45, Texas 38
+ Missouri 38, West Virginia 7
+ Auburn 27, Oregon 21
+ Florida 24, Miami (FL) 20
+ Alabama 42, Duke 3 *
+ Georgia 23, Notre Dame 17
Bad Losses
- Tennessee 26, BYU 29
- Mississippi 10, Memphis 15
- Missouri 31, Wyoming 37
- Arkansas 24, San Jose St 31
- Vanderbilt 10, UNLV 34
- Tennessee 30, Georgia St 38
- S. Carolina 15, App. State 20
* Yes, according to my rules Alabama's win over Duke is a "good" win.

ACC (3-4, 43%)
Good Wins
+ Boston Coll 30, Rutgers 16
+ N Carolina 24, S Carolina 20
+ Clemson 24, Texas A&M 10
Bad Losses
- Florida St 31, Boise St 36
- Georgia Tech 2, Temple 24
- N Carolina 31, Appalachian St 34
- Georgia Tech 24, Citadel 27
The ACC makes up for Alabama/Duke with BC/Rutgers (sort of - Rutgers is weaker than Duke but BC is not as strong as Alabama, so the relative mismatch is similar). Also, by my rules FSU/BYU and UNC/App State are both "bad" losses (despite both teams being ranked at one point or another). Besides all that, half of the bad losses this season belong to one team - Georgia Tech - who is rebuilding their offense entirely.

When we focus on just good wins/bad losses, we see that the SEC is 6/7, while the ACC is 3/4 (very close).

BOTTOM LINE: While the raw win% numbers do favor the SEC over the ACC, those numbers hide some significant differences in schedules such as...
(a) more and tougher P5 opponents for the ACC,
(b) more home games for the SEC, and
© favorable neutral-site match-ups for the SEC.

IS THE SEC BETTER THAN THE ACC IN FOOTBALL? YES, I THINK SO. IS IT "MILES" BETTER? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. IS THE SEC EVEN THE BEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE THIS YEAR? IT'S HARD TO SAY SINCE SO MANY BIG TEN TEAMS DIDN'T PLAY ANYBODY OUT-OF-CONFERENCE, BUT I TEND TO THINK THEIRS IS THE BEST AT THE TOP (BUT ALSO THE WORST AT THE BOTTOM!)

Massey Composite:
1. Big 12 44.03
2. SEC 45.53
3. Big 10 48.17
4. Pac 12 50.14
5. ACC 59.15
6. AAC 59.52
7. MWC 74.82
8. SBC 81.13
9. Ind. 85.46
10. CUSA 91.09
11. MAC 93.46

Its quite possible the AAC could pass the ACC this weekend if Navy beats Army and Clemson beats UVA (wouldn't improve Clemson's spot much, but could knock UVA down).
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(12-02-2019 01:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-30-2019 10:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-29-2019 11:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  An examination of their combined OOC record probably reveals that their performance OOC and in cross division games is similarly awful. G5 losses, FCS losses, and not a whole lot of P5 wins.

Lazy

No, working parent with 2 children under the age of 2 who doesn’t have enough time to try to talk sense into every ACC fanboy riding the coattails of Clemson and Florida St’s success over the past 2 decades.

Wikipedia has conveniently already calculated the regular season results for the last 3 seasons for the entire conference:

2017:
P5/ND 8-13
G5 16-2
FCS 11-0

2018:
P5/ND 4-14
G5. 18-4
FCS. 14-0

2019:
P5/ND. 3-15
G5. 17-4
FCS. 14-1

Combined 3 year total:
P5/ND. 15-42
G5. 51-10
FCS. 39-1

Going back 3 more years to the start of the CFP probably won’t do a whole lot to improve those stats.


ND is 14-1 in the regular season the last three years versus the ACC, which hurts the ACC numbers versus the P5 quite a bit.
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(12-02-2019 05:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 04:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  A couple of weeks ago I posted this research on my football blog, but the basic stats are largely unchanged by recent results:

1. Of the ACC's 6 P5 losses, 4 of them are to one team - current AP #16 Notre Dame. In addition, Pitt lost a close game at #9 Penn State, Duke lost their opener to #3 Alabama, and Miami was edged out by #11 Florida - a total of 7 losses to teams in the top 16. Add Boise State and ACC teams have played a total of 8 ranked non-conference opponents. Unfortunately, "close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades", and the ACC lost all 8 of those games. [Since then, ACC teams have lost to ranked Georgia and Florida; Also, Boise St and App. State have returned to the Top 25 in the interim].

2. By contrast, SEC teams have played just 5 ranked opponents out of conference - #3 Clemson, #6 Oregon, #16 Notre Dame, #18 Memphis and #22 Texas - posting a record of 3-2 against them - not bad, but a difference of just 3 wins is hardly the chasm some would claim. And remember: the ACC scheduled 8 OOC games against current top 25 teams, whereas the SEC only scheduled 5 [Since then the SEC played one more ranked non-conference opponent - Clemson - and lost again].

3. Boston College's home loss to Kansas [was embarrassing... probably contributed to them firing Steve Addazio. I think the only other "embarrassing" loss whas when Georgia Tech lost to The Citadel].

4. Home field advantage is also a big part of the SEC formula. Check out these tables of non-conference results by home/neutral/away:

SEC Wins Losses Win%
Home 30 7 81%
Neutral 4 1 80%
Away 1 4 20%

ACC Wins Losses Win%
Home 26 6 81%
Neutral 1 2 33%
Away 3 6 33%

Broken down this way we see that the ACC has the same win% as the SEC in terms of HOME non-conference games, and the ACC [was] actually a bit better in true AWAY game out-of-conference. However, the SEC pads its wins by playing MORE home games (37 for the SEC versus just 32 for the ACC - with 8 more home games [SEC went 7-1] and just 1 away game [SEC won it] remaining this season for the SEC, while the ACC has 4 more home [went 3-1] and 5 away [went 1-4] OOC games.

Where the SEC shines over the ACC is neutral site win%. The main reasons for this (IMO) are:
the locations: when SEC teams play neutral site games, the site is as close or closer to the SEC school than it is to the opponent's school. This was accentuated in the Oregon/Auburn game, for example.
the matchups: those 5 neutral-site games for the SEC involved Alabama vs. Duke, Auburn vs. Oregon, LSU vs. Texas, Florida vs. Miami and South Carolina vs. North Carolina. Before the season began, tell me which of those was the SEC team an underdog? (answer: none). So controlling the matchups in favor of the SEC is also a big part of it.

4. Quality of wins/losses
If we use my simple formula (P5 win = good win; G5/FCS loss = bad loss), we get this picture:

SEC (6 good wins - 7 bad losses, 46%)
Good Wins
+ LSU 45, Texas 38
+ Missouri 38, West Virginia 7
+ Auburn 27, Oregon 21
+ Florida 24, Miami (FL) 20
+ Alabama 42, Duke 3 *
+ Georgia 23, Notre Dame 17
Bad Losses
- Tennessee 26, BYU 29
- Mississippi 10, Memphis 15
- Missouri 31, Wyoming 37
- Arkansas 24, San Jose St 31
- Vanderbilt 10, UNLV 34
- Tennessee 30, Georgia St 38
- S. Carolina 15, App. State 20
* Yes, according to my rules Alabama's win over Duke is a "good" win.

ACC (3-4, 43%)
Good Wins
+ Boston Coll 30, Rutgers 16
+ N Carolina 24, S Carolina 20
+ Clemson 24, Texas A&M 10
Bad Losses
- Florida St 31, Boise St 36
- Georgia Tech 2, Temple 24
- N Carolina 31, Appalachian St 34
- Georgia Tech 24, Citadel 27
The ACC makes up for Alabama/Duke with BC/Rutgers (sort of - Rutgers is weaker than Duke but BC is not as strong as Alabama, so the relative mismatch is similar). Also, by my rules FSU/BYU and UNC/App State are both "bad" losses (despite both teams being ranked at one point or another). Besides all that, half of the bad losses this season belong to one team - Georgia Tech - who is rebuilding their offense entirely.

When we focus on just good wins/bad losses, we see that the SEC is 6/7, while the ACC is 3/4 (very close).

BOTTOM LINE: While the raw win% numbers do favor the SEC over the ACC, those numbers hide some significant differences in schedules such as...
(a) more and tougher P5 opponents for the ACC,
(b) more home games for the SEC, and
© favorable neutral-site match-ups for the SEC.

IS THE SEC BETTER THAN THE ACC IN FOOTBALL? YES, I THINK SO. IS IT "MILES" BETTER? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. IS THE SEC EVEN THE BEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONFERENCE THIS YEAR? IT'S HARD TO SAY SINCE SO MANY BIG TEN TEAMS DIDN'T PLAY ANYBODY OUT-OF-CONFERENCE, BUT I TEND TO THINK THEIRS IS THE BEST AT THE TOP (BUT ALSO THE WORST AT THE BOTTOM!)

Massey Composite:
1. Big 12 44.03
2. SEC 45.53
3. Big 10 48.17
4. Pac 12 50.14
5. ACC 59.15
6. AAC 59.52
7. MWC 74.82
8. SBC 81.13
9. Ind. 85.46
10. CUSA 91.09
11. MAC 93.46

Its quite possible the AAC could pass the ACC this weekend if Navy beats Army and Clemson beats UVA (wouldn't improve Clemson's spot much, but could knock UVA down).

Conference games should not affect relative power ratings at all - if they do, it's a strike against Massey's ratings! (Now Navy beating Army is a different story).

While you're at it, please explain why you believe the Big 12 is 1.5 spots better than the SEC on average (and over 4 spots better than the Big Ten). Should be fascinating!
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(12-02-2019 03:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  Ohio State is a buzz saw, but nothing here indicates the Big Ten is some strong conference top to bottom.

I agree. But, four teams in the top 15? Only the SEC is representing itself better on that front.

It could just be that no conference was really great this year, but a very slim few teams are pretty decent.

statefan Wrote:What looks like parity in the Coastal, is a lack of parity between the Coastal and the Atlantic.

That pretty much hits it. Outside of two teams, anyone else in the ACC could possibly win the Coastal.
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RE: ACC Coastal Parity
Just imagine if we had messageboards back when Nebraska would roll through extremely weak Big 8 schedules

What I know is the ACC has 3 National Titles this decade
Big 10? 2014 Ohio State
Big XII??
PAC 12????

2014 Georgia Tech stomped the hell out of Miss St
2016 FSU beat a good Michigan team

2 Heisman winners: Jameis Winston, Lamar Jackson

Clemson has managed to create a rivalry with the dominate program of the decade. If it wasn't for Alabama, Clemson would probably have 4 straight championships

It's been a good decade for the ACC
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(12-02-2019 10:15 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 03:07 PM)esayem Wrote:  Ohio State is a buzz saw, but nothing here indicates the Big Ten is some strong conference top to bottom.

I agree. But, four teams in the top 15? Only the SEC is representing itself better on that front.

It could just be that no conference was really great this year, but a very slim few teams are pretty decent.

statefan Wrote:What looks like parity in the Coastal, is a lack of parity between the Coastal and the Atlantic.

That pretty much hits it. Outside of two teams, anyone else in the ACC could possibly win the Coastal.

Conference strength is cyclical...it was just a few seasons ago that the ACC completely stomped the SEC in OOC play

The Big 10 has been pretty weak in years past, and the Big 10 west was a joke, but this year you've seen Wisconsin and Minnesota step it up

The ACC might be "mediocre", but I've never seen the bottom of the SEC completely turn into crap city like this year. Arkansas is god awful, they'd be lucky to finish 6th in ACC Coastal
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(12-02-2019 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Why is this considered a negative. Looks like almost any team has a shot to win that division any given season.

Well it depends on how you look at it. From the perspective of schools that are not traditionally dominating yes that could be seen as a real positive and something to keep fans looking up to.

For those looking at conference strength the tendency is that having a small number of really strong teams makes you more noticeable in strength than a bunch of teams that are similar in strength but knock each other out of contention all the time.

The way college football does rankings and things of that sort really rewards having gaudy records even over weak competition than it does playing well but not having a dominating record against teams at your level even if yoru level is really high.
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