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Impermissible Benefits and the NCAA
Duke. Lance Thomas is probably gonna be the new Corey Maggette

As an amateur athlete from a nonaffluent household, Lance Thomas was able to make a 30K CASH payment to a jeweler while also receiving an additional 70K loan from the jeweler.

- Never had to prove how he got the cash to make the payment (NCAA requires Wiseman show how he'll make the 11.5K repayment though to ensure no crowdfunding)

- Nobody had to cooperate with the NCAA. NCAA allowed the jeweler, Duke and Lance to enter into a settlement based on never discussing the terms of the settlement. This outside legal tactic didn't work for Memphis

- Did ther NCAA prove such a benefit was available to sl students? Of course not.

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Arbitrary and capricious
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and old news
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No doubt the jeweler was a Duke booster as well.
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Jesus that is old. Pre iPhone 4

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The donations to Bains family are new.

After beating Duke donations to his family have poured in....nttawwt
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NCAA never investigated the case at all.

If they wanted they could reopen it NOW and make a ruling.

You think Memphis back then (or ever) would've been allowed to say hey our star athlete paid 30K cash in unknown money to a jeweler who gave an additional 70K unreported loan to said athlete with no job nor inheritance and that would've been the end of the NCAA involvement due to the player entering into a nondisclosure agreement with the jeweler and Memphis then deeming the case closed?

Has the NCAA rule book that covers such impermissible benefits changed since then?

NCAA had no problem citing a one time CHARITABLE DONATION from Penny a decade ago..... same time frame as Duke and Lance Thomas but that's off limits cause its "old"? Get out of here
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Very old news.
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Zion old news too? NCAA checked into that yet?

Quote:On Tuesday, the trial provided its biggest bombshell yet: the father of Zion Williamson — Duke freshman and Internet legend — allegedly asked Kansas assistant coach Kurtis Townsend for money, housing and a job according to a conversation caught on tape between Townsend and Code.

What financial records did the NCAA request to verify how Zion's family afforded to move into an 800K home in Durham?

Zion Williamson has been dragged into the FBI trial. What does it mean for Duke, Kansas and the NCAA?

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Turned out exactly how everyone knew it would.....

Quote:Let Zion live

Even though the phone call between Williamson’s father and Townsend didn’t qualify as evidence for the trial, there’s still a chance the NCAA could look into this. Theoretically, an investigation could put Williamson’s eligibility at Duke in jeopardy.


Please, don’t let this happen. College basketball needs Williamson this year because he’s going to be must-see TV every time he takes the court. Many fans will accuse Duke of getting preferential treatment should the NCAA decide an investigation isn’t necessary. They have some ground to stand on, but the point remains: college hoops needs Zion Williamson this season.


It will be fascinating to see how this all plays out
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(11-28-2019 10:20 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  and old news

It's old but it isn't any less relevant. Same with Corey Maggette, same with Zion Williamson. Compare that to Derrick Rose and Wiseman.
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(11-28-2019 10:10 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Duke. Lance Thomas is probably gonna be the new Corey Maggette

As an amateur athlete from a nonaffluent household, Lance Thomas was able to make a 30K CASH payment to a jeweler while also receiving an additional 70K loan from the jeweler.

- Never had to prove how he got the cash to make the payment (NCAA requires Wiseman show how he'll make the 11.5K repayment though to ensure no crowdfunding)

- Nobody had to cooperate with the NCAA. NCAA allowed the jeweler, Duke and Lance to enter into a settlement based on never discussing the terms of the settlement. This outside legal tactic didn't work for Memphis

- Did ther NCAA prove such a benefit was available to sl students? Of course not.

Blue blood treatment

Major difference is that our booster has admitted that he gave the family money. So there is no speculation as to where the money came from involved.

No doubt that the rules are not always applied equally but at least try to compare apples to apples.

All all of this occurred before Condi's investigation and recommendations.
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(11-28-2019 02:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 10:20 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  and old news

It's old but it isn't any less relevant. Same with Corey Maggette, same with Zion Williamson. Compare that to Derrick Rose and Wiseman.

Rose was different. The ACT organization invalidated Roses’ score after Rose failed to respond to inquiries. No ACT score meant he was never eligible.

Lots wrong with this practice. Jailhouse snitch, retroactive decisions, double jeopardy. Rose could not be compelled to testify. ACT and College Board do share scores so ACT was informed of the SAT score through nefarious circumstances.
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(11-29-2019 02:06 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 10:10 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Duke. Lance Thomas is probably gonna be the new Corey Maggette

As an amateur athlete from a nonaffluent household, Lance Thomas was able to make a 30K CASH payment to a jeweler while also receiving an additional 70K loan from the jeweler.

- Never had to prove how he got the cash to make the payment (NCAA requires Wiseman show how he'll make the 11.5K repayment though to ensure no crowdfunding)

- Nobody had to cooperate with the NCAA. NCAA allowed the jeweler, Duke and Lance to enter into a settlement based on never discussing the terms of the settlement. This outside legal tactic didn't work for Memphis

- Did ther NCAA prove such a benefit was available to sl students? Of course not.

Blue blood treatment

Major difference is that our booster has admitted that he gave the family money. So there is no speculation as to where the money came from involved.

No doubt that the rules are not always applied equally but at least try to compare apples to apples.

All all of this occurred before Condi's investigation and recommendations.

You're biased, and usually don't have good facts or logic, so I typically ignore your posts.

But in this case, Lance Thomas's jeweler - the Dook booster - admitted that he gave Lance the loan. So, yeah, you're just outright wrong again.
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(11-28-2019 02:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 10:20 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  and old news

It's old but it isn't any less relevant. Same with Corey Maggette, same with Zion Williamson.

Agreed...
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I hope they get sued to hell someday
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Kansas assistant caught on wiretap discussing money issues over Zion Williamson -- and that's a problem for Duke

Cherry picked like a muthaflubba.

Guess thre NCAA doesn't handle cases in chronological order. Didn't send a "likely ineligible" letter or nothing. 07-coffee3

Story printed in Oct 2018 yet NCAA allowed Zion to play the entire season. Guess FBI information and actual taped proof isn't a good start even though it's direct evidence of the dad asking and eventually receiving housing he demanded (800K mansion).....

Quote:"Hey," said Code, according to his attorney, Mark Moore. "Between me and you, you know, he asked about some stuff. You know?"

Who is "he?" Zion Williamson's father, per Moore's courtroom account.

"I know what he's asking for," Code continued. "He's asking for opportunities from an occupational perspective, he's asking for cash in the pocket and he's asking for housing for him and his family."

If this was to follow the basics that played out over the past 2½ weeks here as the underground economy of college athletics was laid bare in a federal fraud trial, that meant a job (lucrative with little to no work), a lot of cash (six figures, minimum) and an apartment or house (rent-free, of course). If you've seen Zion play, you'd know that isn't a bad deal.

Which might be why Townsend sounded unfazed.

"I've got to just try to work and figure out a way because if that's what it takes to get him here for 10 months, we're going to have to do it some way,"
Townsend said.


Quote:Code's message to Townsend isn't a clean look for Williamson's family, nor are these calls something that can quickly be explained away by the coaches caught on wiretap. So the big matter here, as it pertains to the schools, is what the NCAA thinks of this and what it ultimately decides to do. And if it's to take information corroborated, or even strongly alleged, within the esteemed halls of federal court and apply it to its own investigations, then many of the most important programs in college basketball stand to face inquiry. (Let's all agree that it would be poor PR strategy for the NCAA to cherrypick which schools to investigate and which to not.)
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If you can't see that we are treated unfairly, you are either a blind P5 fan Memphis or extremely naive and gullible. As a Memphis fan for over 50 years, I have seen how the NCAA has punished us, and teams like us, far harsher than the "blue bloods" for things not nearly as egregious. And it goes far beyond the NCAA. If the NCAA, the P5 bias and our inability to schedule like the P5 don't do us in and we still find a way to succeed, then a P5 school walks in with an unlimited budget and takes our coaches. We are not fighting an uphill battle, we are fighting an institution which will not ever allow us to win.

I hope Penny finds a way to fight through and get us a championship before they find a way to squash him!
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(11-28-2019 10:10 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Duke. Lance Thomas is probably gonna be the new Corey Maggette

As an amateur athlete from a nonaffluent household, Lance Thomas was able to make a 30K CASH payment to a jeweler while also receiving an additional 70K loan from the jeweler.

These things were alleged in complaint in a lawsuit that was settled. No testimony in any sort of deposition, court hearing, or trial was given on those allegations. I'm sure part of the settlement was a non-disclosure agreement. The NCAA had no direct allegation made to them to work with, no one willing to go on record about anything, or any sort of power to compel any of the people involved to provide testimony on the matter. And the jeweler and Stephenson were not going to be voluntarily talking about anything. Wiseman's ineligibility is based on something that all parties agree and admit happened

Quote:Never had to prove how he got the cash to make the payment (NCAA requires Wiseman show how he'll make the 11.5K repayment though to ensure no crowdfunding)

Never had to prove how he got cash and loans he was alleged to have had. Wiseman not being able to accept what would probably be another impermissible benefit to "pay back" the prior impermissible benefit he and the school disclosed to the NCAA doesn't really have anything to with that

Quote:Nobody had to cooperate with the NCAA. NCAA allowed the jeweler, Duke and Lance to enter into a settlement based on never discussing the terms of the settlement. This outside legal tactic didn't work for Memphis

The NCAA can't compel anyone to cooperate (although there are certainly situations where it might be in a student's or school's best interest to do so). The NCAA had no power to compel Stephenson and the jeweler (Duke was not a party to the lawsuit) to do or not do anything.

Quote:- Did ther NCAA prove such a benefit was available to sl students? Of course not.

Blue blood treatment

The NCAA didn't have any evidence that Stephenson received an impermissible benefit in the first place. So this doesn't matter.
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