(12-03-2019 03:37 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 03:17 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 12:12 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 06:18 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:34 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  Why did the former SBC teams leave for CUSA?

It was the fear of missing out. You know, FOMO. Everyone that left the SBC knew they were going nowhere as long as they were stuck in that conference. With the move to CUSA, they at least had hope that things could improve. That's proving to not be the case though, as the P5 conferences have pretty much put all G5 conferences "in our place".

Any dreams of raising one's G5 program to the level of a P5 program are all history now. No G5 program will ever rise to the heights that Boise once did. Never. Not even Boise will be able to do it again.

It makes no difference what G5 conference one plays in anymore. We've all been relegated to obscurity.

In many cases, it was because of the schools/programs that were in CUSA at the time they accepted an invitation.

Definitely this. It looked like great moves when UNT, MT, and F_U's were the first schools to go to CUSA, simply because they were about to be with Marshall, East Carolina, Southern Miss, Tulane, and Tulsa from the old CUSA. I even wanted Troy to be with those schools. Those were well-known programs at the time.

Everything sort of fell apart though when most of them left for the AAC. CUSA ultimately wound up taking half of the Sun Belt, a start-up Charlotte, and a transitioning ODU... all of which killed the appeal CUSA previously had as the "step-up" conference. I think if Banowsky would've done things a little differently, CUSA would still be considered the "step-up" conference and be in better shape.

I don't know that he could have done much differently. The Big East/AAC was going to backfill with CUSA schools and he had to replace them no matter what.

I guess this is where people argue "well, take the stronger football programs and let the chips fall where they may," but football is only one (albeit) outsize factor in adding conference members, and like the Elvis plate people would tell us, past performance isn't necessarily an indicator of future success. If you're thinking long term, you look at growth potential and more-immutable considerations (your football or basketball might rise and fall, but your academics and market size are a lot more steady-state).

Arseco recently said something like conventional wisdom said not to take a school like UCF, but that obviously worked out tremendously for all parties. I'm guessing that's what CUSA leadership was doing, trying to find the next UCF.

More like the next Houston, the next Cincinnati, the next Tulsa, the next Memphis, the next USF. IMO, C-USA already found the next UCF, North Texas. Granted, UNT needs a period of sustained success to really cement itself as the next UCF, but I believe the Mean Green are on their way, and I really mean that.

As for Houston, Cincinnati, etc., that's going to take awhile, as you can see. Despite the year SMU is currently having, and I am genuinely happy for them, I don't really count SMU as a big loss. I don't count Tulane as a loss either. Maybe that's why UTSA was taken- could they be the next USF??? Who knows?? USF was important for C-USA because they inspired UCF to become what it became. Could UTSA do the same for UNT?? Remains to be seen.

What has ESPN done to make you want to partner with them?

ESPN put the Sunbelt games behind a paywall, that they foot the production costs for. The production of most ESPN+ games are terrible.
Not only that ESPN regulates the Sunbelt to the weekdays with the MAC.

All this for chump change, so someone can crow about made up numbers because their game was playing in the background at the Applebees bar.

Would you really want all CUSA games on ESPN+ and the best conference matchups on the weekdays with the MAC? I don’t think so

DawgnBama

Man good one, you had me believing you were for real for second.

It is good to bring some comedy to the board every now and then

That is not comedy. Talk to UNT fans about UNT in general sometime and not just athletics. LTU is in the same boat as USM, IMO, but I'm sure you will disagree.

(12-04-2019 08:21 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  What has ESPN done to make you want to partner with them?

ESPN put the Sunbelt games behind a paywall, that they foot the production costs for. The production of most ESPN+ games are terrible.
Not only that ESPN regulates the Sunbelt to the weekdays with the MAC.

All this for chump change, so someone can crow about made up numbers because their game was playing in the background at the Applebees bar.

Would you really want all CUSA games on ESPN+ and the best conference matchups on the weekdays with the MAC? I don’t think so

You make it obvious that you have some sort of envy that the Sun Belt gets more national showtime than your teams do, and you're trying to do your best to turn lemons into lemonade by slighting the Sun Belt's TV deal, even though it's a better TV deal than your own.

You should quit trying to act like you know what you're talking about when it comes to ESPN+.

This is from the NY Business Journal last year:

Quote:Each athletic department will take on more of the production responsibilities for the games going on ESPN+, but the network is expected to offset most of those costs with an upfront payment.

Sun Belt schools will see an increase in annual revenue well above the current $100,000 per school, sources said. Under the new deal, Sun Belt schools can expect $300,000 to $400,000 per year with annual increases.

On top of that, most Sun Belt schools have a broadcasting department made of students that are trained and given the opportunity to operate the HD equipment and put together the on-screen ESPN productions as a way to enhance their resume after they graduate.

The Sun Belt ESPN+ games are very good quality and up to ESPN's standard for streaming.

Face it, you're never going to get some awesome TV deal where you're on the flagship ESPN channels on the weekends. So you either deal with where the G5 is at currently, and get on ESPN+, or you can continue to piece your fragmented TV deal together with Facebook, Stadium, NFL Network, and CBSSN.

(11-28-2019 10:57 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 06:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 04:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 01:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's a little interesting fact about USM since Western joined CUSA.....

take out Tech and USM has not beat 2 teams with a winning record in the same season while Western has played in CUSA. Including Tech, only 2 out of 5 (yes I'm counting Sat. as a loss) years.

No wonder their fans want to join another conference....flagship

I've read through the squalor....

what many of us understand is how it's played out post haste from 1.0....

many of us understand the 'why'....

what we now are abhorrent towards 'giving in' is bs leadership from all parties involved....

us 'lifers' dont really give a fk anymore....it's been game over for ALL g5s for since '11...

regardless, it'll all play out by ~'24...

it's a waste of time posting smack at this point...

however, it was fonzies while it lasted....

Geez you folks need to get yur head out yur arses. The "game over" stuff is particularly gratifying. May be worth noting that the consensus over in the Sun Belt is we're in a good spot. It could be due to the hole yur heads r in yr ars thing.

I didn't say one word about the 'belt....go choke on that bs all you want...it doesn't matter in scope...

the point is realignment WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A MAJOR FASHION BEFORE IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE...

once the tv contracts expire for the big boys, watch what happens with the p5 elite flagship schools, the p5 remainder, and the g5 upper and lower....the NCAA is already crayfishing in an attempt to remain relevant now that 'pay for play' is coming to fruition...

if you think today's world of college athletics will exist in 5 yrs. as it does today, you're living in a dream world...the $$$ are too large at this point...hell, Saban's already alluded to what the future will look like...

the bottom line is southern miss and low budget schools like us will be at the mercy how it all plays out down the road....

do you honestly believe anyone outside of conference affiliates actually give two shites about the 'belt, cusa, mac, mwc, aac....the bulk of the nation couldn't care less....

when I say it's "game over", that's what it means....

btw, nice cherry picking from my initial post....whackjob

As a fan of both the G5 & the P5, I can tell you that the NCAA is a total joke. It really is because why should programs get harsher penalties cooperating with the NCAA than those that refuse?? Think about that for awhile. The situations @ Baylor & Penn State were nightmares!! Could/would the NCAA do anything about it??? Nope. UNC was just a sick joke. How come NCAA baseball can be run so we'll, but the heavy hitter sports (football and men's basketball) be such a mess??

Sooooooo, now that bowl bids are out, do you USM and Marshall fans still want to move to the Sunbelt? :)

Sun Belt
East Division
Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Troy

West Division
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
South Alabama
Southern Mississippi
Texas State

Conference USA
East Division
Charlotte
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Old Dominion
Middle Tennessee
Western Kentucky

West Division
Alabama-Birmingham
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
Rice
Texas-El Paso (UTEP}
Texas-San Antonio

(06-28-2020 04:41 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  Conference USA
East Division
Charlotte
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Old Dominion
Middle Tennessee
Western Kentucky

West Division
Alabama-Birmingham
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
Rice
Texas-El Paso (UTEP}
Texas-San Antonio

No way that will happen. Never.