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Other than Sims and Boggs that was a terrible half of basketball. We’re really lucky to only be down 5. We need to make them pay for letting us hang around.
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When we play decent teams, we never look like the better team. Always like we're just hanging around and it's just a matter of time before we lose. We don't change up anything when these runs start. I'd at least run a zone and try to stop them from driving at will.
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(11-29-2019 10:35 PM)82hawk Wrote:  When we play decent teams, we never look like the better team. Always like we're just hanging around and it's just a matter of time before we lose. We don't change up anything when these runs start. I'd at least run a zone and try to stop them from driving at will.

Except for FIU, that is.
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(11-29-2019 10:38 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(11-29-2019 10:35 PM)82hawk Wrote:  When we play decent teams, we never look like the better team. Always like we're just hanging around and it's just a matter of time before we lose. We don't change up anything when these runs start. I'd at least run a zone and try to stop them from driving at will.

Except for FIU, that is.

FIU hasn't beaten anyone that I would classify as a decent team. They're on the level of Campbell at best.
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7 assists for UNCW to 17.
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We accept defeat so easily.
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We need Estime and Gadsden back badly. Sims is the only guy that can stretch the floor and even he's at his best when slashing. Things should've been better tonight as we knew what we were working with going in, but we were always going to be fighting an uphill battle against an experienced team like that without those guys.
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(11-29-2019 10:42 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-29-2019 10:38 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(11-29-2019 10:35 PM)82hawk Wrote:  When we play decent teams, we never look like the better team. Always like we're just hanging around and it's just a matter of time before we lose. We don't change up anything when these runs start. I'd at least run a zone and try to stop them from driving at will.

Except for FIU, that is.

FIU hasn't beaten anyone that I would classify as a decent team. They're on the level of Campbell at best.


They’ve only played 4 games against D-I opponents, with their only 2 losses coming against P5’s. By the time the season plays out, that will be a very good win.
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This game should have at least been competitive. Now we need to bounce back in a big way against Stanford.
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(11-29-2019 11:06 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  This game should have at least been competitive. Now we need to bounce back in a big way against Stanford.

If we keep it under 30, i'll be shocked.
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Not enough offense fellas the way it sounds. Marty and Jaylen had a good game but you have to have 3 guys in double figures to have a shot on the road. Phillips did a little something in the 2nd half, but we need to have 3 guys rolling in double figures for this team. Being able to consistently score energizes the defense and creates momentum and we just couldn't score enough. Getting a great 3 point shooter or 2 back from injury would seem to help right about now.


They were a plus 12 in the paint tonight and that really tells the story. Scoring 59 points is just not enough offense to win games like this on the road. Hawks need to find a way to score and will in time. They went up against a senior laden team on the road that can score and has experience so it was tough. It was good to see Marty continue to do his thing. We will need his scoring offense and overall play going forward.
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(11-29-2019 11:20 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Not enough offense fellas the way it sounds. Marty and Jaylen had a good game but you have to have 3 guys in double figures to have a shot on the road. Phillips did a little something in the 2nd half, but we need to have 3 guys rolling in double figures for this team. Being able to consistently score energizes the defense and creates momentum and we just couldn't score enough. Getting a great 3 point shooter or 2 back from injury would seem to help right about now.


They were a plus 12 in the paint tonight and that really tells the story. Scoring 59 points is just not enough offense to win games like this on the road. Hawks need to find a way to score and will in time. They went up against a senior laden team on the road that can score and has experience so it was tough. It was good to see Marty continue to do his thing. We will need his scoring offense and overall play going forward.

Toews and Phillips on the floor together just isn't going to work. We had awful spacing tonight and that's why we scored 59 points. We need our 2 best 3 point shooters back
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Need a 3 point threat no doubt. Ty was a monster last year and him getting back will be big once he get's back. Hope that Jay can get back too. He can also shoot at a high percentage but we do need Ty for sure. Ty is very consistent in many areas and is efficient. Hope he is ready soon.
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(11-29-2019 09:13 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Solid start


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Over react much? Let them play the game. It’s a 5 pt game at the half. Lol


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You were saying? They were sluggish at the start and clearly were in the second half too


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(11-30-2019 07:36 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-29-2019 09:51 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(11-29-2019 09:13 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Solid start


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Over react much? Let them play the game. It’s a 5 pt game at the half. Lol


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You were saying? They were sluggish at the start and clearly were in the second half too. I agree with Gary was a pretty bad half of basketball we were lucky to be close


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Nothing we do works consistently on offense or defense.

On offense, we pass around the perimeter when we play 4 out, and literally have 4 or 5 out. It's easy to defend because the next pass is always obvious. The passes aren't crisp or quick. No cross court passes to a spot up shooter. No cutters. Our best offense has become one on one drives to the basket. But, we only have a few guys with the ability to finish consistently and nobody drives and kicks the ball out. We either finish, miss or turn the ball over, then we're one and done with almost no offensive rebounding and second shots. Toews looks like a completely different player this year in this offense, and not in a good way. He is consistently driving to the right corner and getting stuck or driving to the basket with nobody to pass to. His assists are way down, but his turnovers are still there. We can't hit threes against a good defensive team.

On defense, we do nothing to mix things up and confuse the offense. Last night, two guys were taking us one on one at will. They scored and drew fouls practically every time they wanted. Our response? Nothing. I watched them run the same high picks over and over. When Linssen was eating them up inside, they switched to a zone to stop it. That's what good coaches do.

And i'm sorry, we've got guys getting PT who are bringing very little to the floor that others can't and more. Tolefree is not a basketball player. Maybe a good athlete, but that's it. During the run that put this out of reach, he took several really bad shots early in the clock. He drove and was competely stuffed, then he shot an air ball from 3 that was at least five feet short of the basket that turned into a fast break the other way. He also is not a good ball handler. John Bowen is supposed to be one of our "bigs", but in 15 minutes of play, he grabbed one rebound. ONE.

Even if we get Gadsden and Estime back, we still have no size. Dodd is proving to be a decent player but gets in foul trouble easily. When he has to sit, we find ourselves with Boggs playing the 5. He's going to get eat up if we have to do that much in the CAA.

Which gets back to recruiting. WHY are we so young? Why are we so small? We should have several decent Juniors who came in as Freshmen McGraths first year. We should have a couple of decent Sophomores that came in the freshman class last year, and we should have at least a couple of decent seniors. Instead, we are relying heavily on our Freshmen this year. Dodd and Boggs represent two of our three biggest players on the court. The other is a transfer. They are the first freshmen players McGrath recruited out of high school who aren't guards, and even they are only 6'6" and 6'7". Are we not looking to recruit bigs out of high school or are we incapable of closing the deal? And if you look at verbal commits, we have no offers out to PF or centers. Why?

I just do not see the vision McGrath has for this program. I can't tell what he is trying to do by what I see on the court or who we are recruiting. I really thought he had to have a press in mind this year, since we only seem to care about recruiting a bunch of guards, but we don't press. Or, I guess we are going to be a "live by the three, die by the three" team, but our offensive sets don't produce good three point shots. Or maybe, we are going to be a running team, but we never win the "fast break" points stat. I just don't get it.

If anybody else sees something I don't...a vision, a plan...clue me in.
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Love your passion and break down 82!
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Will just add that good teams apply pressure on opposing guards and we were only a -2 with Brian in there last night. Phillips can get into you so he needs to play and Mike Okauru can play some defense. Still need to get them 42 percent not 49. Only 4 steal last night when 7 or more would work better.
I agree with you on the offense. We need better ball and player movement so hopefully they will work on it. I would love to see more high post touches early in the clock with action off of that but that’s just what I like. At least need a ball reversal or 2 and a good low post entry with options off of that.
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(11-30-2019 09:00 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Nothing we do works consistently on offense or defense.

On offense, we pass around the perimeter when we play 4 out, and literally have 4 or 5 out. It's easy to defend because the next pass is always obvious. The passes aren't crisp or quick. No cross court passes to a spot up shooter. No cutters. Our best offense has become one on one drives to the basket. But, we only have a few guys with the ability to finish consistently and nobody drives and kicks the ball out. We either finish, miss or turn the ball over, then we're one and done with almost no offensive rebounding and second shots. Toews looks like a completely different player this year in this offense, and not in a good way. He is consistently driving to the right corner and getting stuck or driving to the basket with nobody to pass to. His assists are way down, but his turnovers are still there. We can't hit threes against a good defensive team.

On defense, we do nothing to mix things up and confuse the offense. Last night, two guys were taking us one on one at will. They scored and drew fouls practically every time they wanted. Our response? Nothing. I watched them run the same high picks over and over. When Linssen was eating them up inside, they switched to a zone to stop it. That's what good coaches do.

And i'm sorry, we've got guys getting PT who are bringing very little to the floor that others can't and more. Tolefree is not a basketball player. Maybe a good athlete, but that's it. During the run that put this out of reach, he took several really bad shots early in the clock. He drove and was competely stuffed, then he shot an air ball from 3 that was at least five feet short of the basket that turned into a fast break the other way. He also is not a good ball handler. John Bowen is supposed to be one of our "bigs", but in 15 minutes of play, he grabbed one rebound. ONE.

Even if we get Gadsden and Estime back, we still have no size. Dodd is proving to be a decent player but gets in foul trouble easily. When he has to sit, we find ourselves with Boggs playing the 5. He's going to get eat up if we have to do that much in the CAA.

Which gets back to recruiting. WHY are we so young? Why are we so small? We should have several decent Juniors who came in as Freshmen McGraths first year. We should have a couple of decent Sophomores that came in the freshman class last year, and we should have at least a couple of decent seniors. Instead, we are relying heavily on our Freshmen this year. Dodd and Boggs represent two of our three biggest players on the court. The other is a transfer. They are the first freshmen players McGrath recruited out of high school who aren't guards, and even they are only 6'6" and 6'7". Are we not looking to recruit bigs out of high school or are we incapable of closing the deal? And if you look at verbal commits, we have no offers out to PF or centers. Why?

I just do not see the vision McGrath has for this program. I can't tell what he is trying to do by what I see on the court or who we are recruiting. I really thought he had to have a press in mind this year, since we only seem to care about recruiting a bunch of guards, but we don't press. Or, I guess we are going to be a "live by the three, die by the three" team, but our offensive sets don't produce good three point shots. Or maybe, we are going to be a running team, but we never win the "fast break" points stat. I just don't get it.

If anybody else sees something I don't...a vision, a plan...clue me in.
I agree with all points. I have no idea what we are trying to do on offense. Shooting is poor, offense sets are easily defended, Toews looks lost, and we have guys that don't know their role. Last year's over dependence on the Toews high ball screen at least created an advantage early in the shot clock for shooters which accounted for most of his assists.We have the athletes that CB wanted but our fast break (transition points) stats are terrible.
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