"Following the NCAA's decision to suspend James Wiseman for 12 games on Nov. 20, the University of Memphis immediately appealed the decision. On Wednesday, the appeal hearing for Wiseman's suspension will take place, according to multiple sources close to the situation."

https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Ar...phisTigers

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How does the appeal process work? i.e. is the university arguing the appeal on Wiseman's behalf? Is it Wiseman's lawyers making the appeal?

At some point I would think the appeal proceedings will be available to the public, either released by the NCAA or through FOI request?

(11-27-2019 01:02 AM)JhanJo Wrote:  How does the appeal process work? i.e. is the university arguing the appeal on Wiseman's behalf? Is it Wiseman's lawyers making the appeal?

At some point I would think the appeal proceedings will be available to the public, either released by the NCAA or through FOI request?

The appeal process works like this: "Oh, you're from Memphis? Get the f out of here. Appeal denied."

I would be surprised to see a reduction but there is an outside chance.

The situation is the same as two guys picked up on the same charge by the police. One agrees to a plea bargain and gets a lesser sentence while the other demands a trial and gets a stiffer sentence, then appeals because the other guy got off easier.

The decision to file the lawsuit was a major factor in the length of the suspension. If we had sat him his penalty would have been the usual 9 games and he would have served over half of them by now.

A lot of you thought we were going to lose to Ole Miss, so

they'll probably double the number of games he's out on appeal.

(11-27-2019 06:57 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  I would be surprised to see a reduction but there is an outside chance.

The situation is the same as two guys picked up on the same charge by the police. One agrees to a plea bargain and gets a lesser sentence while the other demands a trial and gets a stiffer sentence, then appeals because the other guy got off easier.

The decision to file the lawsuit was a major factor in the length of the suspension. If we had sat him his penalty would have been the usual 9 games and he would have served over half of them by now.

People keep saying stuff like this, but you have no clue what would have happened. The NCAA told us nothing on the front end (in terms of punishment). Games had already started and they hadn’t made a concrete decision. For all you know, had it not gone to court, James could be sitting out and still waiting on a ruling.

Odd that our own fans point to the supposed poor decisions of the player/university, but ignore the part the NCAA had to play in this.

I was scratching head as to why the NCAA took 19 weeks to throw the book at Missouri.

Then I realized their crime was hiring Barry Odom.

(11-27-2019 08:20 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 06:57 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  I would be surprised to see a reduction but there is an outside chance.

The situation is the same as two guys picked up on the same charge by the police. One agrees to a plea bargain and gets a lesser sentence while the other demands a trial and gets a stiffer sentence, then appeals because the other guy got off easier.

The decision to file the lawsuit was a major factor in the length of the suspension. If we had sat him his penalty would have been the usual 9 games and he would have served over half of them by now.

People keep saying stuff like this, but you have no clue what would have happened. The NCAA told us nothing on the front end (in terms of punishment). Games had already started and they hadn’t made a concrete decision. For all you know, had it not gone to court, James could be sitting out and still waiting on a ruling.

Odd that our own fans point to the supposed poor decisions of the player/university, but ignore the part the NCAA had to play in this.

Exactly! No one knows what would have happened.

(11-27-2019 06:57 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  I would be surprised to see a reduction but there is an outside chance.

The situation is the same as two guys picked up on the same charge by the police. One agrees to a plea bargain and gets a lesser sentence while the other demands a trial and gets a stiffer sentence, then appeals because the other guy got off easier.

The decision to file the lawsuit was a major factor in the length of the suspension. If we had sat him his penalty would have been the usual 9 games and he would have served over half of them by now.

Your description is completely wrong.. in the legal system the guy (if he has resources) hires a lawyer to NEGOTIATE the plea bargain before he even has to make a decision to plea or go to trial. His lawyer is able to talk back and forth with the legal authorities and gather information on likely punishment and chances of success.

The NCAA situation would be like the police pulling you over and telling you that you (or someone in your family) committed some difficult to define crime sometime in the laat 4 years and your choice is either 1) plea guilty now and face 6 months to 10 years in prison or 2) ask questions and face 7 months to 10 years in prison. Being penalized for asking questions convert everything into a presumption of guilt - you are presumed guilty until PROVEN innocent. That is an insane bar to put on kids against a multi-billion dollar industry.

Literally most of the rules of police engagement were created because of the recognition that the NCAA situation is entirely unfair and unjust. Even still, our system of plea bargaining is recognized as one of the greatest injustices around against minorities and the poor.

(11-27-2019 06:15 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 01:02 AM)JhanJo Wrote:  How does the appeal process work? i.e. is the university arguing the appeal on Wiseman's behalf? Is it Wiseman's lawyers making the appeal?

At some point I would think the appeal proceedings will be available to the public, either released by the NCAA or through FOI request?

The appeal process works like this: "Oh, you're from Memphis? Get the f out of here. Appeal denied."

I’d love to see the appeal to where the coaches could decide what games he could sit out and not. If he still has to sit out, then what’s the difference of the amount of games that the coaches chooses? It’s all still the same amount of games, no matter which ones they are.

(11-27-2019 06:57 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  I would be surprised to see a reduction but there is an outside chance.

The situation is the same as two guys picked up on the same charge by the police. One agrees to a plea bargain and gets a lesser sentence while the other demands a trial and gets a stiffer sentence, then appeals because the other guy got off easier.

The decision to file the lawsuit was a major factor in the length of the suspension. If we had sat him his penalty would have been the usual 9 games and he would have served over half of them by now.

Missouri begs to differ.

11/20/2019
James Wiseman ruled ineligible, Memphis in big trouble.
6/15/2021
NCAA/IARP/dingleberries still unable to determine what punishment to give Memphis
573 days ago, nearly 6,000,000 people have been born and about 7,000,000 people have died in the USA since that day.
beyond ridiculous!

(06-15-2021 01:25 PM)cmt Wrote:  11/20/2019
James Wiseman ruled ineligible, Memphis in big trouble.
6/15/2021
NCAA/IARP/dingleberries still unable to determine what punishment to give Memphis
573 days ago, nearly 6,000,000 people have been born and about 7,000,000 people have died in the USA since that day.
beyond ridiculous!

Wiseman ought to sue the NCAA. They cost him All American honors, All Conference honors, a shot at the NCAA Tournament, damaged his reputation, failed to act properly with his suspension, failed to give him due process, punished a person who did not commit a crime, etc, etc.

(06-15-2021 01:29 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:25 PM)cmt Wrote:  11/20/2019
James Wiseman ruled ineligible, Memphis in big trouble.
6/15/2021
NCAA/IARP/dingleberries still unable to determine what punishment to give Memphis
573 days ago, nearly 6,000,000 people have been born and about 7,000,000 people have died in the USA since that day.
beyond ridiculous!

Wiseman ought to sue the NCAA. They cost him All American honors, All Conference honors, a shot at the NCAA Tournament, damaged his reputation, failed to act properly with his suspension, failed to give him due process, punished a person who did not commit a crime, etc, etc.

There was no 2020 NCAA tournament, and Wiseman was the #2 overall pick in the 2020 NBA draft. It's difficult to quantify any damages Wiseman suffered due to the NCAA's actions (or inaction).

(06-15-2021 01:43 PM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:29 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:25 PM)cmt Wrote:  11/20/2019
James Wiseman ruled ineligible, Memphis in big trouble.
6/15/2021
NCAA/IARP/dingleberries still unable to determine what punishment to give Memphis
573 days ago, nearly 6,000,000 people have been born and about 7,000,000 people have died in the USA since that day.
beyond ridiculous!

Wiseman ought to sue the NCAA. They cost him All American honors, All Conference honors, a shot at the NCAA Tournament, damaged his reputation, failed to act properly with his suspension, failed to give him due process, punished a person who did not commit a crime, etc, etc.

There was no 2020 NCAA tournament, and Wiseman was the #2 overall pick in the 2020 NBA draft. It's difficult to quantify any damages Wiseman suffered due to the NCAA's actions (or inaction).

I would argue the opposite. Zion Williamson signed a $75 million shoe contract. Anthony Edwards signed with Adidas; Wiseman with a Chinese company. Being the #2 pick instead of the #1 pick is worth $3 million alone.

It is hard to quantify emotional damage from the missed opportunity, the NCAA not acting in good faith, and Wiseman not actually benefitting from the improper benefit. That doesn't mean that lawyers won't be able to come up with a big fat round figure.

(06-15-2021 01:29 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  

(06-15-2021 01:25 PM)cmt Wrote:  11/20/2019
James Wiseman ruled ineligible, Memphis in big trouble.
6/15/2021
NCAA/IARP/dingleberries still unable to determine what punishment to give Memphis
573 days ago, nearly 6,000,000 people have been born and about 7,000,000 people have died in the USA since that day.
beyond ridiculous!

Wiseman ought to sue the NCAA. They cost him All American honors, All Conference honors, a shot at the NCAA Tournament, damaged his reputation, failed to act properly with his suspension, failed to give him due process, punished a person who did not commit a crime, etc, etc.

If you worked for Bernie Madoff or Theranos when their Leaders where committing crimes...Wouldn't you be being punished and you didn't commit a crime.

I don't think you could sue the government for enforcing the laws on the leaders of those companies...Just like I don't think you can sue the NCAA for enforcing its bylaws.

Nothing will come of this review because Wisemans self imposed sanctions were greater than any sanction that the NCAA would have imposed for the impermissible benefits.