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Jake Forrester will soon join Temple's playing rotation
Jake's eligibility comes just when we most needed him, due to Damion Moore's back injury, and may help give the team a boost in the Orlando Invitational.

This is especially important because back injuries can be a persistent problem in a big man. One of Temple's best Centers since 1980 (K. Lyde) was severely limited by back spasms, following an injury, for an entire season.

Jake tends to play in the low post area, and at 6'8," he has the size and jumping ability to play the 5 position
. Since Hamilton (14.8 mpg) and Parks (7.5 mpg) have only played a total of ~30 mpg since Damion's injury, 6'7" Moorman and 6'6" Perry have had to play most of the remaining ~10 mpg, while also handling the PF position. Now, McKie will be able to play a three-man committee of 6'8", 6'9", and 6'10" PFs at the 5, freeing up Moorman to focus on playing the 4 position, and giving McKie the option to play Perry as a back-up PF and wing. This, in turn, could provide the option of reducing Scott's mpg when he isn't playing productively enough.

Four forwards (Perry, JP, Parks, Hamilton) have handled the 4 and 5 positions for two games, but over time, they could get worn out and susceptible to injuries. But, with Forrester joining the other forwards, none of the forwards would have to play more than 30 mpg. Moorman, Hamilton, and Perry could each play ~22-25 mpg on average, with the remaining 30-36 mpg (out of 80 PF and C minutes) being played by Perry, Parks, and Forrester (10-12 mpg apiece, on average), freeing up ~10 mpg for Perry to play as a back-up wing or as a guard/wing in 5 guard/pressure defense situations.
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Other likely benefits to the team, due to Forrester's eligibility:

1) While Temple has managed to rebound on par with its early opponents, the addition of Forrester will help the team rebound the ball well - even in the more competitive games - and might enable the team to achieve a rebounding surplus on a semi-regular basis.

2) Interior defense may be further bolstered, due to Forrester's active, athletic low post play, and Temple's forwards will be able to play with high energy and good endurance, even in games that go into OT.

3) Forrester is probably quicker than Damion and Moorman are, and this will help bolster Temple's interior defense. If he's capable enough, defensively, perhaps he could give McKie the option of putting a taller elite defensive unit together when needed.

4) Forrester is more of a natural low-post player than Hamilton is, and could substitute in for Hamilton - who has been inconsistent at times - if/when he's having an off-night.

5) Overall, Forrester's eligibility may help the team win a couple of games that they might otherwise lose this season. If so, he could help make the difference between making the NCAA, rather than the NIT, and could help the team get a better seed in post-seasonal play.

6) All five Temple F/PFs will be playing together for two years in a row. As a result, they will be able to play even more effectively as a unit in the 2020-21 season.

7) Solving the problem of how to man the 4 and 5 positions this season without the team's only true Center would help Coach McKie to solve the problem the following season, as well, easing the pressure to recruit a big man in spring, 2020, and allowing him to sign the best available player at any position.

8) Last, but no least, Forrester's eligibility might help from a recruiting standpoint over the next 12 months:

--Recruiting could get a boost from improved team play this season, especially if the team can have some high-visibility success in the post season and in Q1 games this season.

--This is especially crucial, since Coach McKie's coaching abilities will be widely appreciated if the team is successful this season.

--McKie's ability to recruit a much-needed big man to play the 5 position after Damion's (followed by Justyn's and JP's) departure should improve somewhat, given that only two of Temple's current 4/5 players will be with the team in the 2021-22 season, and that Parks is the only current 4/5 who will remain in 2022-23. Thus, a sufficiently talented big man recruit for the class of 2021 would be able to step in and play a lot of minutes from the get-go in his first season. That's precisely what is necessary in order for a Head Coach to sign a top 100 big man.
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(11-26-2019 07:26 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Other likely benefits to the team, due to Forrester's eligibility:

1) While Temple has managed to rebound on par with its early opponents, the addition of Forrester will help the team rebound the ball well - even in the more competitive games - and might enable the team to achieve a rebounding surplus on a semi-regular basis.

2) Interior defense may be further bolstered, due to Forrester's active, athletic low post play, and Temple's forwards will be able to play with high energy and good endurance, even in games that go into OT.

3) Forrester is probably quicker than Damion and Moorman are, and this will help bolster Temple's interior defense. If he's capable enough, defensively, perhaps he could give McKie the option of putting a taller elite defensive unit together when needed.

4) Forrester is more of a natural low-post player than Hamilton is, and could substitute in for Hamilton - who has been inconsistent at times - if/when he's having an off-night.

5) Overall, Forrester's eligibility may help the team win a couple of games that they might otherwise lose this season. If so, he could help make the difference between making the NCAA, rather than the NIT, and could help the team get a better seed in post-seasonal play.

6) All five Temple F/PFs will be playing together for two years in a row. As a result, they will be able to play even more effectively as a unit in the 2020-21 season.

7) Solving the problem of how to man the 4 and 5 positions this season without the team's only true Center would help Coach McKie to solve the problem the following season, as well, easing the pressure to recruit a big man in spring, 2020, and allowing him to sign the best available player at any position.

8) Last, but no least, Forrester's eligibility might help from a recruiting standpoint over the next 12 months:

--Recruiting could get a boost from improved team play this season, especially if the team can have some high-visibility success in the post season and in Q1 games this season.

--This is especially crucial, since Coach McKie's coaching abilities will be widely appreciated if the team is successful this season.

--McKie's ability to recruit a much-needed big man to play the 5 position after Damion's (followed by Justyn's and JP's) departure should improve somewhat, given that only two of Temple's current 4/5 players will be with the team in the 2021-22 season, and that Parks is the only current 4/5 who will remain in 2022-23. Thus, a sufficiently talented big man recruit for the class of 2021 would be able to step in and play a lot of minutes from the get-go in his first season. That's precisely what is necessary in order for a Head Coach to sign a top 100 big man.

I’ve seen Forrester play both in the Bahamas and in Temple scrimmages. He’s athletic but his bb skills are limited. Wasn’t prepared to contribute then. Don’t get your hopes up.

Temple was fine without D.Moore in the USC game where they kept USC’s two-point shooting percentage down. If he can’t play in the Maryland game, Temple should be alright as D.Moore is not quick defensively, and has not been shooting well. Temple can play with Hamilton, and if need be, play small ball.
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(11-26-2019 08:05 PM)Miggy Wrote:  I’ve seen Forrester play both in the Bahamas and in Temple scrimmages. He’s athletic but his bb skills are limited. Don’t get your hopes up.

Temple was fine without D.Moore in the USC game where they kept USC’s two-point percentage down. If he can’t play in the Maryland game, Temple should be alright without him as D.Moore is not very quick defensively, has not been shooting well, and Maryland players are. Temple can play with Hamilton or play small ball without him.

1) I beg to differ about Forrester. If pre-season scrimmages meant anything important, JPL wouldn't have played more than a minute or two in games 1-4, much less averaging 12.3 mpg, and never would have led the team in scoring @ USC. It also applies the other way 'round: Scott played well in preseason, but hasn't in games 1-4.

My view is that pre-season play can be very misleading, especially for players who don't expect to play much, if at all in the season ahead. Everyone, including Forrester expected him to be redshirted this season, and he thus got little playing time in observable scrimmages. This may well have had the effect of lowering his energy and motivation level in practice.

While he may get off to a slow start, due to having no expectation to play this season, he has been getting good coaching and practicing with the team. The team will really need Forrester to contribute at least a few minutes per game, fairly soon, at least as long as Damion is out of the lineup.

Beyond that, since Forrester has only 3 remaining seasons of eligibility, Coach McKie isn't going to want to waste his first season at Temple. We should expect the whole coaching staff to devote all the attention needed to get him fully up to speed in short order.

One of the important benefits of playing Forrester in the low post is that this may well help Moorman to play in his accustomed 4 position most/all of the time, and this could help him to regain his shooting prowess.

The main factor in Forrester's favor, beyond the fact that he is needed to fill the gap at the 5 position, is that he proved at Indiana that he can contribute nearly 1 positive stat (pts,rb,ast,stl,blk) for every minute he's on the court. Very few Owls play that productively.

2) Damion Moore's FG% has dropped noticeably, it's true, and he's not one of the quickest players, but his statistical productivity on a per minute basis has been outstanding (12.8 pts, 17.6 rb, 1.6 stl, 1.6 blk per 40 min., which equals 0.84 positive statistics per minute of playing time). The only other starting player on the team who has been more productive, statistically, is NPL.

--Moreover, his PER (16.2) is comparable to those of Rose and A Moore, and much better than Hamilton's PER of 9.6, Moorman's 9.1, and Park's 13.4.

--While his offensive efficiency has lagged, due to his .429 FG%, his defensive BPM and defensive rating (DRtg) are higher than Perry's, which is noteworthy, since Perry is considered one of Temple's better defenders.

--Thus, while his mpg indicate that he is more of a role player than a typical starter, he has been an effective player in his role who has out-performed the team's starting PF. Despite sub-.500 FG% in games 1-4, there is every reason to expect that his FG shooting will improve to the 0.633 FG% range that he achieved last season, to lead the entire team, if his back fully recovers this season.

--Given his capabilities, Damion is more than just "a role player." When healthy, he has often played a vital role on the team.

Hope we get him back at near 100%.
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(11-26-2019 10:44 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-26-2019 08:05 PM)Miggy Wrote:  I’ve seen Forrester play both in the Bahamas and in Temple scrimmages. He’s athletic but his bb skills are limited. Don’t get your hopes up.

Temple was fine without D.Moore in the USC game where they kept USC’s two-point percentage down. If he can’t play in the Maryland game, Temple should be alright without him as D.Moore is not very quick defensively, has not been shooting well, and Maryland players are. Temple can play with Hamilton or play small ball without him.

1) I beg to differ about Forrester. If pre-season scrimmages meant anything important, JPL wouldn't have played more than a minute or two in games 1-4, much less averaging 12.3 mpg, and never would have led the team in scoring @ USC. It also applies the other way 'round: Scott played well in preseason, but hasn't in games 1-4.

My view is that pre-season play can be very misleading, especially for players who don't expect to play much, if at all in the season ahead. Everyone, including Forrester expected him to be redshirted this season, and he thus got little playing time in observable scrimmages. This may well have had the effect of lowering his energy and motivation level in practice.

While he may get off to a slow start, due to having no expectation to play this season, he has been getting good coaching and practicing with the team. The team will really need Forrester to contribute at least a few minutes per game, fairly soon, at least as long as Damion is out of the lineup.

Beyond that, since Forrester has only 3 remaining seasons of eligibility, Coach McKie isn't going to want to waste his first season at Temple. We should expect the whole coaching staff to devote all the attention needed to get him fully up to speed in short order.

One of the important benefits of playing Forrester in the low post is that this may well help Moorman to play in his accustomed 4 position most/all of the time, and this could help him to regain his shooting prowess.

The main factor in Forrester's favor, beyond the fact that he is needed to fill the gap at the 5 position, is that he proved at Indiana that he can contribute nearly 1 positive stat (pts,rb,ast,stl,blk) for every minute he's on the court. Very few Owls play that productively.

2) Damion Moore's FG% has dropped noticeably, it's true, and he's not one of the quickest players, but his statistical productivity on a per minute basis has been outstanding (12.8 pts, 17.6 rb, 1.6 stl, 1.6 blk per 40 min., which equals 0.84 positive statistics per minute of playing time). The only other starting player on the team who has been more productive, statistically, is NPL.

--Moreover, his PER (16.2) is comparable to those of Rose and A Moore, and much better than Hamilton's PER of 9.6, Moorman's 9.1, and Park's 13.4.

--While his offensive efficiency has lagged, due to his .429 FG%, his defensive BPM and defensive rating (DRtg) are higher than Perry's, which is noteworthy, since Perry is considered one of Temple's better defenders.

--Thus, while his mpg indicate that he is more of a role player than a typical starter, he has been an effective player in his role who has out-performed the team's starting PF. Despite sub-.500 FG% in games 1-4, there is every reason to expect that his FG shooting will improve to the 0.633 FG% range that he achieved last season, to lead the entire team, if his back fully recovers this season.

--Given his capabilities, Damion is more than just "a role player." When healthy, he has often played a vital role on the team.

Hope we get him back at near 100%.

Maryland’s front line is composed of three forwards who are quick. I just don’t see D.Moore being able to defend the rim against Maryland’s line-up. Hope he’s available for McKie to decide if there’s a match-up he needs him for. Sure D.Moore will have a fine year whenever he returns.

I had high hopes for Forrester till I saw him play twice and on both occasions he was out of control and saw a pass to him slip through his hands. He played 14 minutes in one game, shot 1-5 from the field, 3-4 from the foul-line, had three defensive rebounds, one block, one turnover, and had four fouls. Others who watched him play were very disappointed. Surely, it’s possible what we witnessed was an aberration. And it’s possible since I saw him play two months ago that the coaching staff has turned him into a bb player. He sure looked like one in his highlight video. Do hope my initial impression is wrong.

Forrester was told that since he’s 6’9,” he doesn’t have to rush his shots.

Scott played very well against USC in the crucial 5 minutes that determined it’s outcome. He hardly shot in games two and three.
Temple will have a better chance to beat Maryland if he’s encouraged to shoot the ball.
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Apparently, D Moore made the trip to USC, so at least he is ambulatory. It may be possible that the issue for him was muscular (e.g., spasms, cramps), rather than skeletal. Whether he would be in game shape vs Maryland, IDK, but if he is, perhaps he could to contribute a few good minutes. If he's not available in game 1, perhaps he'll be in game 2 or 3 in Orlando.*

For the season, going forward, Coach M might not need to play him more than ~12-15 mpg, since Hamilton, Parks, Moorman, and perhaps Forrester can pick up the slack, with no Center required in 5 guard situations. Limiting Damion's minutes to that extent would minimize risk of foot or back re-injury, would insulate him from foul trouble, and could permit him to give an all-out effort for the short time he's on the floor.

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*If Temple loses to Maryland, they will play Texas St or Harvard in game 2. If they advance to game 3, they will probably play Davidson, Marquette, or USC; any of these would seem to be winnable games vs. high visibility opponents. USC might be the toughest of these, based on early rpi ratings and team records, and a rematch with USC might be quite a challenge, although the Owls did beat them on their home court.
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(11-27-2019 06:43 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Apparently, D Moore made the trip to USC, so at least he is ambulatory. It may be possible that the issue for him was muscular (e.g., spasms, cramps), rather than skeletal. Whether he would be in game shape vs Maryland, IDK, but if he is, perhaps he could to contribute a few good minutes. If he's not available in game 1, perhaps he'll be in game 2 or 3 in Orlando.*

For the season, going forward, Coach M might not need to play him more than ~12-15 mpg, since Hamilton, Parks, Moorman, and perhaps Forrester can pick up the slack, with no Center required in 5 guard situations. Limiting Damion's minutes to that extent would minimize risk of foot or back re-injury, would insulate him from foul trouble, and could permit him to give an all-out effort for the short time he's on the floor.

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*If Temple loses to Maryland, they will play Texas St or Harvard in game 2. If they advance to game 3, they will probably play Davidson, Marquette, or USC; any of these would seem to be winnable games vs. high visibility opponents. USC might be the toughest of these, based on early rpi ratings and team records, and a rematch with USC might be quite a challenge, although the Owls did beat them on their home court.

Believe Texas A and M coached by Buzz Williams plays Harvard, and Temple will play one of those in Temple’s second game.
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(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Miggy Wrote:  I had high hopes for Forrester till I saw him play twice and on both occasions he was out of control and saw a pass to him slip through his hands. He played 14 minutes in one game, shot 1-5 from the field, 3-4 from the foul-line, had three defensive rebounds, one block, one turnover, and had four fouls. Others who watched him play were very disappointed. ...it’s possible what we witnessed was an aberration.

...it’s possible since I saw him play two months ago that the coaching staff has turned him into a bb player. He sure looked like one in his highlight video.

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6'9" Forrester's preseason performance could be a concern, but I'm focusing more on the way he played at Indiana last season. His scrimmages may not be representative of how he will play this season, and might have been affected by being under the weather, being unfamiliar with his teammates, adjusting to his new role, or various other factors.

Some guys perform better in game situations than in practice scrimmages. JPL may be an apt example. Like JPL, Forrester might surpass preseason expectations.

Further, some players who expect to be redshirted can understandably be slightly less primed than active players during the preseason. Now that Forrester knows that he's likely to be activated very soon, he may well get a sudden burst of energy, and his focus may improve.

Yes, it might take him a little while to get into game shape, and he may have some skill gaps to work on, but you can bet the coaching staff is going to put some extra effort into helping him improving his game.

Since Coach McKie didn't hesitate to play both JPL and Parks by game 2, it seems likely that he'll give Jake some playing time at some point in Orlando.

The guy's obviously not an unskilled stiff, given the fact that he averaged nearly one (0.9) pt, rb, stl, or blk per minute of play at Indiana in 4.3 mpg in 13 games last season.

At first, he might only play a few minutes, and it might take a few games for him to get fully acclimated. But all Temple needs is for him to play a few minutes in a limited role, at first, by protecting the rim, grabbing a few rebounds, scoring a put-back or jam, and blocking a shot or two.

As with Damion Moore, Coach McKie won't necessarily need Jake to play much more than 10-12 mpg, at least between now and the start of conference play. After that, if he improves sufficiently, he may be able to compete with Hamilton and Parks for additional playing time.

Coach M probably has the PF position covered adequately by Moorman and Perry (although Moorman's play needs to improve considerably). As long as that is the case, he will soon have the option to play a committee of four players at the 5 position: D Moore, JH, Parks, & JF, unless he prefers to play JF as his #3 bench player at the 4 position.

At first, JF's main task may be simply to help make up for D Moore's absence, by either freeing up Moorman from having to play the 5 position, or to play 4 for a few minutes when Moorman is playing 5. As such, he would be the #4 option at the 5 position.

Assuming that he acclimates and develops his game steadily, he could become a valuable contributor despite playing a mainly defensive and rebounding role. Beyond that, we know that he added more points than rebounds while playing at Indiana, so he may eventually play enough mpg to contribute some interior scoring.

There's one thing we do know: One of Coach McKie's priorities for 2020-21 will be to prepare Forrester to become an impact player who can play significant minutes, bolstering Temple's rebounding and interior defense after D Moore's departure. By 2021-22, Forrester may be in the best position to start in the front court alongside Parks, or to alternate minutes with Parks at the 5 position.
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(11-27-2019 07:45 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:43 AM)Miggy Wrote:  I had high hopes for Forrester till I saw him play twice and on both occasions he was out of control and saw a pass to him slip through his hands. He played 14 minutes in one game, shot 1-5 from the field, 3-4 from the foul-line, had three defensive rebounds, one block, one turnover, and had four fouls. Others who watched him play were very disappointed. ...it’s possible what we witnessed was an aberration.

...it’s possible since I saw him play two months ago that the coaching staff has turned him into a bb player. He sure looked like one in his highlight video.

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6'9" Forrester's preseason performance could be a concern, but I'm focusing more on the way he played at Indiana last season. His scrimmages may not be representative of how he will play this season, and might have been affected by being under the weather, being unfamiliar with his teammates, adjusting to his new role, or various other factors.

Some guys perform better in game situations than in practice scrimmages. JPL may be an apt example. Like JPL, Forrester might surpass preseason expectations.

Further, some players who expect to be redshirted can understandably be slightly less primed than active players during the preseason. Now that Forrester knows that he's likely to be activated very soon, he may well get a sudden burst of energy, and his focus may improve.

Yes, it might take him a little while to get into game shape, and he may have some skill gaps to work on, but you can bet the coaching staff is going to put some extra effort into helping him improving his game.

Since Coach McKie didn't hesitate to play both JPL and Parks by game 2, it seems likely that he'll give Jake some playing time at some point in Orlando.

The guy's obviously not an unskilled stiff, given the fact that he averaged nearly one (0.9) pt, rb, stl, or blk per minute of play at Indiana in 4.3 mpg in 13 games last season.

At first, he might only play a few minutes, and it might take a few games for him to get fully acclimated. But all Temple needs is for him to play a few minutes in a limited role, at first, by protecting the rim, grabbing a few rebounds, scoring a put-back or jam, and blocking a shot or two.

As with Damion Moore, Coach McKie won't necessarily need Jake to play much more than 10-12 mpg, at least between now and the start of conference play. After that, if he improves sufficiently, he may be able to compete with Hamilton and Parks for additional playing time.

Coach M probably has the PF position covered adequately by Moorman and Perry (although Moorman's play needs to improve considerably). As long as that is the case, he will soon have the option to play a committee of four players at the 5 position: D Moore, JH, Parks, & JF, unless he prefers to play JF as his #3 bench player at the 4 position.

At first, JF's main task may be simply to help make up for D Moore's absence, by either freeing up Moorman from having to play the 5 position, or to play 4 for a few minutes when Moorman is playing 5. As such, he would be the #4 option at the 5 position.

Assuming that he acclimates and develops his game steadily, he could become a valuable contributor despite playing a mainly defensive and rebounding role. Beyond that, we know that he added more points than rebounds while playing at Indiana, so he may eventually play enough mpg to contribute some interior scoring.

There's one thing we do know: One of Coach McKie's priorities for 2020-21 will be to prepare Forrester to become an impact player who can play significant minutes, bolstering Temple's rebounding and interior defense after D Moore's departure. By 2021-22, Forrester may be in the best position to start in the front court alongside Parks, or to alternate minutes with Parks at the 5 position.

Fans need to see Forrester play before allocating his playing time. We’ll get a good idea regarding his skill set when McKie decides to play him. We need to wait and see McKie’s confidence in Forrester.

As for JPL, it’s clear he can get to the hoop.

But his excessive fouls and turnovers may well limit his playing time. Temple will have a difficult time winning unless he greatly reduces his negatives.
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