(11-30-2019 11:33 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:25 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Where all the haters tonight? Getting ready to cheer for Redford on Wednesday night. Shameful indeed!

Nothing like an 11 point win at home over the #265 team in the nation allowing them to score 88 points to shut up the haters...

+1 lol

My expectations for JMU MBB are to be Top 100 every year. With those expectations should come beating 150 and worse ranked teams EASILY. And really we should never give up 88 points to anybody. Our players are actually good this year... our coaching staff, not so much. Only way you will change my mind is if we win the CAA tourney and win a NCAA game (not including First four play in)

This game really bummed me out- I took a few days to regroup but like the movie Brokeback Mountain- I can't quit JMU hoops. The defensive effort and energy was poor in the Coppin State game. It's a song we've unfortunately seen before. Obviously the offense was too 3 point heavy with I believe 0 makes in the second half. Just when you think the program is turning the corner they take a couple of steps back.

Let's hope it's a setback that they learn from and move forward. Let's hope everyone learns from it and gets better (the freshmen, the sophomores, the Juniors and the coaches (Rowe of course). But it was an AWFUL loss.

The team does have more talent than previously years and some ability- need to play smart, play aggressive, and play stout on D. The Jacobs injury may help in terms of rotation. I was going to propose starting both Jacobs and Wilson in the front court and having Christmas off the bench but Christmas does have ability and maybe last nights game can get him going. I do think as a true freshman he will have some stinkers as well.

Either way please play Wilson, Jacobs, Wooden, Christmas and Flowers and work the rotation to find the guys who are able to get boards and block shots on a given night Coach Rowe. Also if Parker doesn't have it (was nice to see him play well yesterday) please be willing to putt in Dobbs, Harvey, and Richey. Use your depth in the early season to hold guys accountable and keep guys fresh for the long term- this is as deep and talented a group as you have had. Take full advantage of it so everyone can get better and the team can form in time for the start of conference play.

(12-01-2019 08:24 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  This game really bummed me out- I took a few days to regroup but like the movie Brokeback Mountain- I can't quit JMU hoops. The defensive effort and energy was poor in the Coppin State game. It's a song we've unfortunately seen before. Obviously the offense was too 3 point heavy with I believe 0 makes in the second half. Just when you think the program is turning the corner they take a couple of steps back.

Let's hope it's a setback that they learn from and move forward. Let's hope everyone learns from it and gets better (the freshmen, the sophomores, the Juniors and the coaches (Rowe of course). But it was an AWFUL loss.

The team does have more talent than previously years and some ability- need to play smart, play aggressive, and play stout on D. The Jacobs injury may help in terms of rotation. I was going to propose starting both Jacobs and Wilson in the front court and having Christmas off the bench but Christmas does have ability and maybe last nights game can get him going. I do think as a true freshman he will have some stinkers as well.

Either way please play Wilson, Jacobs, Wooden, Christmas and Flowers and work the rotation to find the guys who are able to get boards and block shots on a given night Coach Rowe. Also if Parker doesn't have it (was nice to see him play well yesterday) please be willing to putt in Dobbs, Harvey, and Richey. Use your depth in the early season to hold guys accountable and keep guys fresh for the long term- this is as deep and talented a group as you have had. Take full advantage of it so everyone can get better and the team can form in time for the start of conference play.

97 --

Don't go soft on us!

(12-01-2019 12:07 AM)jmu18 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:33 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:25 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Where all the haters tonight? Getting ready to cheer for Redford on Wednesday night. Shameful indeed!

Nothing like an 11 point win at home over the #265 team in the nation allowing them to score 88 points to shut up the haters...

+1 lol

My expectations for JMU MBB are to be Top 100 every year. With those expectations should come beating 150 and worse ranked teams EASILY. And really we should never give up 88 points to anybody. Our players are actually good this year... our coaching staff, not so much. Only way you will change my mind is if we win the CAA tourney and win a NCAA game (not including First four play in)

Line was JMU by 1.5 points right? They built a 24 point lead in the second half. Plenty to work on! My comments refer to a pattern where there's silence after wins and a piling on after losses.

Complaining that JMU led by 24 and only won by 10 is insane.

When a team is down by 24 they will shoot quickly thus not using much clock. With a 30 second clock that resets to 20 on offensive rebounds and fouls, there is more time in the games now than before. This made it tough for JMU to use clock but they were allowing the clock to run down to 15 seconds with each possession. This can be dangerous because it can get an offense out of its flow.

ECU was so far behind that guys did not feel any pressure and could just let it fly. They took a blowout and made it look respectable.

JMU made something like 9 out of its last 10 free throws. That was a huge positive. Shows me they have been working on this. They shot well from 3. They won with one of their starters on the bench against an AAC school. They limited their turnovers especially late in the game. They played with energy against ECU after laying a turd against Coppin. All positives.

I don’t expect for JMU to be a top 100 program this year. That would be a big jump. I expect to see continued progression and believe that I will. This is the deepest roster in 20+ years. Against ECU, Lewis had 0 points at the half and really didn’t shoot that much. It was because other players were making threes and he did not need to. When JMU needed a boost in the second half, he provided it. That is what a good player should do. I want to see more of this from him. If teams have to defend the entire starting five instead of just Lewis and Banks, we are in for a good season.

(12-01-2019 11:22 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  JMU made something like 9 out of its last 10 free throws. That was a huge positive. Shows me they have been working on this.

^^^He’s right you know!

(12-01-2019 11:27 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:22 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  JMU made something like 9 out of its last 10 free throws. That was a huge positive. Shows me they have been working on this.

^^^He’s right you know!

That's incredible when your memory can only see bricks. I'd be happy with 7 of 10. What was the whole game percentage?

78% for the game. Well above the seasons average to date.

(12-02-2019 12:35 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  78% for the game. Well above the seasons average to date.

Thanks

(12-01-2019 12:07 AM)jmu18 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:33 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:25 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Where all the haters tonight? Getting ready to cheer for Redford on Wednesday night. Shameful indeed!

Nothing like an 11 point win at home over the #265 team in the nation allowing them to score 88 points to shut up the haters...

+1 lol

My expectations for JMU MBB are to be Top 100 every year. With those expectations should come beating 150 and worse ranked teams EASILY. And really we should never give up 88 points to anybody. Our players are actually good this year... our coaching staff, not so much. Only way you will change my mind is if we win the CAA tourney and win a NCAA game (not including First four play in)

I'm one of the haters - fully admit... and I'll tell you where I was - not watching one single minute. After Coppin, I will not watch another single minute of JMUMBB this year... I don't even know the final score for the ECU game and don't care. Very dangerous place for this admin to take their most diehard fans into this deep a state of apathy... I won't eat crow for any other win this year besides winning the CAAT - as stated above, don't come at me for beating a terrible #253 ECU team at home. JMU18 wants a big tourney win, I'll settle for the CAAT win to eat my big plate of crow.

Really happy to see JMU bounce back against ECU, they needed this one badly. Glad to see Flowers in the rotation and playing. Good to see Wilson ready for a full load now and still in good shape. I think this was the most complete game played all season.

This team has athletic ability, depth, and upper class leadership. All 3 of these need to be used.

The tough part with JMU bball (and this has been the case for 20years) as soon as you get a little hope and interest they cannot follow thru and string some wins together. The need to find consistency in the worst way........no one likes coming to watch a game and having no idea how the team is going to look from game to game.

But they are 5-3 and about where I expected them to be at this point either 5-3 or 6-2.......so thru 8 games I think the team is trending in the correct direction.

Now go follow up and beat Radford on the road before going into the exam break.

One of the teams Coppin State beat this year is Loyola of Chicago. Loyola was in the Final Four in 2018. Loyola is rated as the no. 120 team on Bart Torvik. Loyola has beaten ODU and St. Joe's. St. Joe's is down, but they happened to beat UConn, rated as the no. 58 team on Bart Torvik.

(12-02-2019 01:01 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  One of the teams Coppin State beat this year is Loyola of Chicago. Loyola was in the Final Four in 2018. Loyola is rated as the no. 120 team on Bart Torvik. Loyola has beaten ODU and St. Joe's. St. Joe's is down, but they happened to beat UConn, rated as the no. 58 team on Bart Torvik.

So what you're saying it losing by 16 at home to a 2-5 Coppin State might not be that bad after all.

Let me get with you.....

And last year we beat Radford right after they beat #17 Texas.

And last year Texas beat UNC,

And last year UNC beat Duke

And last year Duke beat UVA.

You know what that means - Extension time!!!!!!!

I love the transitive property.

(12-01-2019 11:03 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 12:07 AM)jmu18 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:33 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 11:25 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Where all the haters tonight? Getting ready to cheer for Redford on Wednesday night. Shameful indeed!

Nothing like an 11 point win at home over the #265 team in the nation allowing them to score 88 points to shut up the haters...

+1 lol

My expectations for JMU MBB are to be Top 100 every year. With those expectations should come beating 150 and worse ranked teams EASILY. And really we should never give up 88 points to anybody. Our players are actually good this year... our coaching staff, not so much. Only way you will change my mind is if we win the CAA tourney and win a NCAA game (not including First four play in)

Line was JMU by 1.5 points right? They built a 24 point lead in the second half. Plenty to work on! My comments refer to a pattern where there's silence after wins and a piling on after losses.

Just saw this - well this "hater" didn't watch the game or even remember we had it.

As I said before - it's not good when you need to shoot 60% to win by 10 at home to a bad team.

What's worse for a program, fans who point out the obvious as to why there is no interest in the program, or the "lovers" that continue to say they like the direction year after year while interest continues to drop? That said, I don't think you are a hater of the program - but you obviously are not as troubled by the lack of interest in the program.

You honestly think one 10 point win at home versus the #261 in the Sagarins shows something? We played so well we beat #261 at home by 10. We lost to Coppin State #248 at home by 16.

You really think this shows the JMU fans they are wrong, and this is a good team?

You're consistently optimistic every year. I'll give you that.

It's fair to say I have a much higher bar for JMU basketball than the "lovers" of the current level of the Dukes.

Dukester --

I watch all the games for football and men's basketball. I'm not saying that Coppin State is a good team. What I said was they have talent that belies their low ranking and I think they'll do well in their conference. I knew there would be an uproar because there are many, if not most, that want Rowe fired on these boards. When the season is over, we can go back and see if I'm right about Coppin with respect to their standing in the MEAC. If you watched the game (and my guess is that many of the critics probably didn't, like yourself), their talent was self evident. JMU, meanwhile, played terribly, especially in the second half. That's how those sorts of upsets can happen.

If people choose not to watch the games, that's their prerogative, of course. If you want to weigh in with value add, I think it helps to watch the games!

You of all people should refrain from calling Rowe out because you got what you wanted when Brady was fired, right? As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for.

And Dukester, calling for a guy's removal and bad-mouthing a team of good kids after every loss (and now after wins evidently) because they're somehow not living up to your expectations is not at all helpful, to say the least. In fact, I find it rather sickening and that's why I made the comment that I did. You obviously didn't take too kindly to it, so you lashed out in response as somehow my support of the team is totally unfounded. We'll see on that and I'm going to continue to support and follow the team the rest of the way.

What the loss shows is how fickle college hoops is and this team in particular. If JMU shoots well and the opposition doesn’t they can compete with and beat many teams but if they don’t and the other team does they can lay an egg and lose to anyone. It’s why having Wilson and another guy or two as reliable inside options, more 3 point shooters and more consistent defense are the keys to success for this years group.

(12-02-2019 08:28 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  And Dukester, calling for a guy's removal and bad-mouthing a team of good kids after every loss (and now after wins evidently) because they're somehow not living up to your expectations is not at all helpful, to say the least. In fact, I find it rather sickening and that's why I made the comment that I did. You obviously didn't take too kindly to it, so you lashed out in response as somehow my support of the team is totally unfounded. We'll see on that and I'm going to continue to support and follow the team the rest of the way.

'84

I've never bad mouthed players. I actually have been complimentary of the players including Matt Lewis. I think he is the difference maker on a good team. I have said we have the most talent in the CAA.


What I did not take kindly is to is your "where are all the haters."

1) The people you call haters are who care about the program.
2) It's ridiculously silly if you thought that a win over a lousy ECU was such a great thing. The win at ODU was a big win for the program to potentially build on. The win last year versus Radford was a win to potentially build on.
3) Calling people out on each home win versus non top 250 teams is silly
4) People are not calling you and others out that think Rowe is a good coach when when the team get's blown out at home by bad teams. Yes, they/I think the administration needs to do a better job managing the program, and has dropped the ball for much of the last 2 decades.

Sadly you and I have been on the boards for about two decades. You've always seemed to think we have been close. I have not. Sadly support for the program has seen things the way I and others see them. We aren't anywhere near close to where JMU Men's basketball should be.

You stated you believe Lou can coach this team to the NCAA tournament next year after witnessing the underachievement of his talented teams the last 3.5 years. You always think we are so close, and have not been, and we aren't now.

The last three home games "reported" attendance for basketball has been:

2,080
2,089
2,068.

That likely means not even 1,000 fans were at each game.

For seasons when the school and Harrisonburg were half the size we had more then 5,000 actually at the game.

We have 25,000 fans at JMU football games.

VCU sells out all of their basketball games.

While women's reported basketball attendance is about same - those fans that purchase tickets actually go to the games.

There is nearly twice as many fans "attending" women's games than the Men's games. Pull up the video and look for yourself. And the women's team has not even made the NCAA tournament the last three years.

It can get no worse for a flagship sports program at JMU.

We aren't close. And winning 16-18 games with a #165 rating at the end of the year is not where this program should be heading into a new arena.

Sagarins

Brady 2014-2015 #187
Brady 2015-2016 #105
Rowe 2016-2017 #228
Rowe 2017-2018 #230
Rowe 2018-2019 #265
Rowe 2019-2020 #209

This should be a top 100 program. We should never be a sub 200 program.

We really could of averaged over 5,000 fans a game next year if had had been able to build excitement the last couple years.

Heading into a new arena with a flagship program that has never been lower support wise. Not good.........