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(12-02-2019 01:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2019/12/...ti-memphis

I don't think Cincy has much of a chance to beat out a one-loss Boise. The most important factor in all of these determinations is "losses". If you have more losses, you need a compelling case to overcome that, and Cincy just doesn't have it. Let's look at the author's claims:

1) Cincy has an elite defense? Ohio State ran roughshod over them. But Ohio State runs roughshod over everyone! Well then explain the 35 first downs and 660 yards and 43 points racked up by .... ECU. I'm sorry, no elite defense gives up a billion points yards and first downs to ECU. ECU is abysmal, they just lost at home by 25 against a 3-8 team. I mean come on.

2) SOS .... Yes, Cincy has played a tougher SOS. But not that much tougher. Sagarin says its Cincy 70 vs Boise 88. Is 70 a tougher SOS than 88? Yes it is. Is it *much* different? No it isn't.

I mean, in the MC, the #70 team is Central Michigan. The #88 team is Syracuse. Is playing Central Michigan a bunch of times noticeably tougher than playing Syracuse a bunch of times? I can't say so.

3) Worst of all, Cincy has trended downward, not upward. They were at their *best* when they were blown out by Ohio State, not worst.

The miraculous win over ECU? That was November 2.

The miraculous win over USF? That was November 16.

The barely squeak by 15-13 triumph over Temple? That was November 23.

And now the loss to Memphis.

And that raises another point - the author kind of equates Boise's close calls with Cincy's. You can't do that. Cincy's close calls were other-wordly. They should have lost all three games vs ECU, USF, and Temple. They were *clearly* outplayed in all three games. They would have been lucky to win any one of them. That they won all three is near-miraculous. And two of these are bad teams we're talking about.

Boise had close calls, but nothing like that. Boise's close calls vs Wyoming and CSU were just that, close games that could have gone either way. Cincy's were *losses*. Cincy had no business winning any of them. You saw the USF game, that was ridiculous.

And speaking of losses, Boise could very well be 12-0. They barely lost to BYU. They statistically outplayed them, so you have to balance that kind of unlucky loss vs maybe one or two lucky wins. Cincy's two losses were decisive.

I don't think anyone with a straight face can say that any time recently Cincy has looked anything like an NY6 team. Maybe if they beat Memphis 50-0?

Boise doesn't have much in its resume to brag about. It will be close if Cincy and Boise both win. They probably do pick Boise, but its not a slam dunk.
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RE: NY6 down to 3
(12-02-2019 01:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2019/12/...ti-memphis

I don't think Cincy has much of a chance to beat out a one-loss Boise. The most important factor in all of these determinations is "losses". If you have more losses, you need a compelling case to overcome that, and Cincy just doesn't have it. Let's look at the author's claims:

1) Cincy has an elite defense? Ohio State ran roughshod over them. But Ohio State runs roughshod over everyone! Well then explain the 35 first downs and 660 yards and 43 points racked up by .... ECU. I'm sorry, no elite defense gives up a billion points yards and first downs to ECU. ECU is abysmal, they just lost at home by 25 against a 3-8 team. I mean come on.

2) SOS .... Yes, Cincy has played a tougher SOS. But not that much tougher. Sagarin says its Cincy 70 vs Boise 88. Is 70 a tougher SOS than 88? Yes it is. Is it *much* different? No it isn't.

I mean, in the MC, the #70 team is Central Michigan. The #88 team is Syracuse. Is playing Central Michigan a bunch of times noticeably tougher than playing Syracuse a bunch of times? I can't say so.

3) Worst of all, Cincy has trended downward, not upward. They were at their *best* when they were blown out by Ohio State, not worst.

The miraculous win over ECU? That was November 2.

The miraculous win over USF? That was November 16.

The barely squeak by 15-13 triumph over Temple? That was November 23.

And now the loss to Memphis.

And that raises another point - the author kind of equates Boise's close calls with Cincy's. You can't do that. Cincy's close calls were other-wordly. They should have lost all three games vs ECU, USF, and Temple. They were *clearly* outplayed in all three games. They would have been lucky to win any one of them. That they won all three is near-miraculous. And two of these are bad teams we're talking about.

Boise had close calls, but nothing like that. Boise's close calls vs Wyoming and CSU were just that, close games that could have gone either way. Cincy's were *losses*. Cincy had no business winning any of them. You saw the USF game, that was ridiculous.

And speaking of losses, Boise could very well be 12-0. They barely lost to BYU. They statistically outplayed them, so you have to balance that kind of unlucky loss vs maybe one or two lucky wins. Cincy's two losses were decisive.

I don't think anyone with a straight face can say that any time recently Cincy has looked anything like an NY6 team. Maybe if they beat Memphis 50-0?


Tulsa also came close to be bowl bound if they upset the front runners. Their winn/loss record does not show how good they are. It is the same way with the MWC schools like Hawaii, Wyoming, Utah State, San Jose State and UNR. They all could have more wins. Wyoming almost beat Tulsa.
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(12-01-2019 03:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's funny how some AAC fans are trying to get us to treat the Cincy debacle vs Ohio State as kind of a reverse-FCS game.

You know, how an FCS game might not count towards bowl eligibility? Well these fans want a loss to Ohio State to "not count" towards NY6 "diseligibility" or somesuch. This must be how the Aresco Propaganda Machine is spinning it, LOL.

It's pretty hilarious.

But in fact, we should pay special attention to the Cincy - Ohio State game, because we are trying to pick who should go to an NY6 bowl and face a top P5 Power. The fact that Cincy faced one and got blown out thus tells us something about their worthiness to face other powers. Now true, teams like Boise and App State - and Memphis for that matter - haven't faced any P5 powers so maybe they would get blown out too, but at least with them the jury is out ...

Maybe??? Well, let's see. Ohio State blew out really good Wisconsin and Michigan teams, so there's no maybe about it...OSU would have blown the doors off Boise and App...easily. Take a look at their scores all year. They've scored over 500 points and given up barely 100.

Here's a good example. They beat a good 8-4 Indiana team 51-10. Indiana is probably pretty comparable to App and Boise this year...if not even a little better overall.

I mean they absolutely destroyed Wisconsin. A Wisconsin that would probably steamroll App or Boise by running Jonathan Taylor down their throats. Since you're a big "P5" proponent, you should know this.
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(12-02-2019 07:50 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 03:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's funny how some AAC fans are trying to get us to treat the Cincy debacle vs Ohio State as kind of a reverse-FCS game.

You know, how an FCS game might not count towards bowl eligibility? Well these fans want a loss to Ohio State to "not count" towards NY6 "diseligibility" or somesuch. This must be how the Aresco Propaganda Machine is spinning it, LOL.

It's pretty hilarious.

But in fact, we should pay special attention to the Cincy - Ohio State game, because we are trying to pick who should go to an NY6 bowl and face a top P5 Power. The fact that Cincy faced one and got blown out thus tells us something about their worthiness to face other powers. Now true, teams like Boise and App State - and Memphis for that matter - haven't faced any P5 powers so maybe they would get blown out too, but at least with them the jury is out ...

Maybe??? Well, let's see. Ohio State blew out really good Wisconsin and Michigan teams, so there's no maybe about it...OSU would have blown the doors off Boise and App...easily. Take a look at their scores all year. They've scored over 500 points and given up barely 100.

Here's a good example. They beat a good 8-4 Indiana team 51-10. Indiana is probably pretty comparable to App and Boise this year...if not even a little better overall.

I mean they absolutely destroyed Wisconsin. A Wisconsin that would probably steamroll App or Boise by running Jonathan Taylor down their throats. Since you're a big "P5" proponent, you should know this.

I’ll agree that Boise and App are comparable to Indiana. And Indiana didn’t get SHUTOUT 42-0. Cincinnati didn’t even score a damn point.

The last time I can remember App State getting shutout was when we were an FCS team and lost 24-0 to Les Miles/Jamarcus Russell led LSU. And it was 14-0 heading into the 4th. An FCS team!

But we are supposed to believe that a 2 loss Cincinnati who got shutout and blown out by the only good P5 team they played should get sent to the Cotton Bowl to get embarrassed by another ranked P5 team? Nah.

Who is their big P5 win? A 4-8 PAC12 team that also lost to San Diego State and Oregon State? Cincinnati is the most overrated ranked team in the top 25.
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Very interesting that previous favorites for Big 12 candidacy, UC and Memphis, are back at the top in the AAC. I wonder what it will take for these schools to finally get an invite.
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(12-03-2019 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Very interesting that previous favorites for Big 12 candidacy, UC and Memphis, are back at the top in the AAC. I wonder what it will take for these schools to finally get an invite.

Memphis was not a favorite, in fact they were left off the Big 12's final cut list when they went through that process a few years ago. And that was after shamelessly/brazenly trying to throw FedEx money at the Big 12.

More generally though, the answer is "nothing", as they clearly do not bring any added value to the Big 12. No G5 team does.
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(12-03-2019 04:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Very interesting that previous favorites for Big 12 candidacy, UC and Memphis, are back at the top in the AAC. I wonder what it will take for these schools to finally get an invite.

Memphis was not a favorite, in fact they were left off the Big 12's final cut list when they went through that process a few years ago. And that was after shamelessly/brazenly trying to throw FedEx money at the Big 12.

More generally though, the answer is "nothing", as they clearly do not bring any added value to the Big 12. No G5 team does.

Quo, you are dead wrong. Media reports are not always accurate.

McMurphy called Memphis to ask Dr. Rudd if we were still in it, and Rudd, who had been asked to maintain media silence, would not answer the question, unlike some other university presidents who did.

So McMurphy assumed that meant Memphis was cut, and he published it. Absolutely incorrect.

And the Big 12 was going to expand, and ESPN essentially threatened them and they blinked.

P.S. I couldn't care less if you or anybody else believes that, but as long as you post it, I will rebut it.

As for not bringing value, no team outside maybe 10-15 schools in the country "bring value." The rest are riding the coattails of the elite.

In that particular instance with the Big 12, there was a clause inserted when the 4 teams left that allowed the Big 12 to add 2 or 4 teams at the same payout for all. The B12 maybe could have gotten away with adding 2, but for political reasons, they got greedy and tried to add 4, and ESPN stuffed them.
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(12-03-2019 05:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Very interesting that previous favorites for Big 12 candidacy, UC and Memphis, are back at the top in the AAC. I wonder what it will take for these schools to finally get an invite.

Memphis was not a favorite, in fact they were left off the Big 12's final cut list when they went through that process a few years ago. And that was after shamelessly/brazenly trying to throw FedEx money at the Big 12.

More generally though, the answer is "nothing", as they clearly do not bring any added value to the Big 12. No G5 team does.

Quo, you are dead wrong. Media reports are not always accurate.

McMurphy called Memphis to ask Dr. Rudd if we were still in it, and Rudd, who had been asked to maintain media silence, would not answer the question, unlike some other university presidents who did.

So McMurphy assumed that meant Memphis was cut, and he published it. Absolutely incorrect.

And the Big 12 was going to expand, and ESPN essentially threatened them and they blinked.

P.S. I couldn't care less if you or anybody else believes that, but as long as you post it, I will rebut it.

McMurphy is pretty accurate when it comes to this stuff. I'm not saying he was 100% right, but what is your source that he called Memphis, they were silent, and he assumed that meant they were out.

Do you have a link or source for this? All I have seen is message board posters claiming this.
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(12-03-2019 05:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Very interesting that previous favorites for Big 12 candidacy, UC and Memphis, are back at the top in the AAC. I wonder what it will take for these schools to finally get an invite.

Memphis was not a favorite, in fact they were left off the Big 12's final cut list when they went through that process a few years ago. And that was after shamelessly/brazenly trying to throw FedEx money at the Big 12.

More generally though, the answer is "nothing", as they clearly do not bring any added value to the Big 12. No G5 team does.

Quo, you are dead wrong. Media reports are not always accurate.

McMurphy called Memphis to ask Dr. Rudd if we were still in it, and Rudd, who had been asked to maintain media silence, would not answer the question, unlike some other university presidents who did.

So McMurphy assumed that meant Memphis was cut, and he published it. Absolutely incorrect.

And the Big 12 was going to expand, and ESPN essentially threatened them and they blinked.

P.S. I couldn't care less if you or anybody else believes that, but as long as you post it, I will rebut it.

Merely telling a story about what McMurphy allegedly did or didn't say to Rudd isn't a 'rebuttal', it's an unsubstantiated assertion.

In contrast, various media reports at the time said Memphis had been left off the list. To an impartial observer, that's better information. In fact, in this Forbes article, McMurphy explains what sunk Memphis:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh/...f832dd5752

Also, the AP reported that it someone told it that Memphis and Temple had been left off the expansion list:

"The Big 12 has narrowed the field of candidates for possible expansion to 11 schools, with Memphis and Temple among the latest to be cut from consideration, a person with direct knowledge of the situation tells The Associated Press.

The person spoke Friday on condition of anonymity because the Big 12 will not be making public any of its dealings with schools interested in joining the 10-team conference."

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/n...sideration

Maybe you have a quote from McMurphy admitting he wrongly made the assumption you claim he made? You know, a retraction? If so, I'm all ears.

Then there would be the AP source as well.
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(12-03-2019 05:20 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 05:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Very interesting that previous favorites for Big 12 candidacy, UC and Memphis, are back at the top in the AAC. I wonder what it will take for these schools to finally get an invite.

Memphis was not a favorite, in fact they were left off the Big 12's final cut list when they went through that process a few years ago. And that was after shamelessly/brazenly trying to throw FedEx money at the Big 12.

More generally though, the answer is "nothing", as they clearly do not bring any added value to the Big 12. No G5 team does.

Quo, you are dead wrong. Media reports are not always accurate.

McMurphy called Memphis to ask Dr. Rudd if we were still in it, and Rudd, who had been asked to maintain media silence, would not answer the question, unlike some other university presidents who did.

So McMurphy assumed that meant Memphis was cut, and he published it. Absolutely incorrect.

And the Big 12 was going to expand, and ESPN essentially threatened them and they blinked.

P.S. I couldn't care less if you or anybody else believes that, but as long as you post it, I will rebut it.

McMurphy is pretty accurate when it comes to this stuff. I'm not saying he was 100% right, but what is your source that he called Memphis, they were silent, and he assumed that meant they were out.

Do you have a link or source for this? All I have seen is message board posters claiming this.

Of course I don't have a link. The media got it wrong. I agree McMurphy is quite good with this stuff, but he made a wrong assumption with Rudd.

I had multiple sources talking directly to the Memphis president, the Memphis AD, FedEx, two Memphis media sources, numerous boosters, etc.

I also had 2 sources at Cincinnati, and one at Oklahoma who talked directly to Boren.

At the time, I had been following Memphis' realignment efforts with the Big East and Big 12 for several years, and had built up a network of friends and resources.

This is the first time I've ever mentioned sources, and of course I'm not naming anybody. But I can tell you that what I believe is also what Memphis admin believed at the time, and I got confirmation from UC contacts and the contact at OU.

Doesn't really matter now, but the myth perpetuated by McMurphy that Memphis didn't make the final 11 is complete BS, and obviously irritates me enough to wade into this quagmire, lol.

And you're never going to have any confirmation publicly, b/c the same schools who fought for spots want to live to fight another day. Or, in most cases, all the principal players have already moved on to other jobs, or passed away.
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(12-03-2019 05:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 05:20 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 05:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Very interesting that previous favorites for Big 12 candidacy, UC and Memphis, are back at the top in the AAC. I wonder what it will take for these schools to finally get an invite.

Memphis was not a favorite, in fact they were left off the Big 12's final cut list when they went through that process a few years ago. And that was after shamelessly/brazenly trying to throw FedEx money at the Big 12.

More generally though, the answer is "nothing", as they clearly do not bring any added value to the Big 12. No G5 team does.

Quo, you are dead wrong. Media reports are not always accurate.

McMurphy called Memphis to ask Dr. Rudd if we were still in it, and Rudd, who had been asked to maintain media silence, would not answer the question, unlike some other university presidents who did.

So McMurphy assumed that meant Memphis was cut, and he published it. Absolutely incorrect.

And the Big 12 was going to expand, and ESPN essentially threatened them and they blinked.

P.S. I couldn't care less if you or anybody else believes that, but as long as you post it, I will rebut it.

McMurphy is pretty accurate when it comes to this stuff. I'm not saying he was 100% right, but what is your source that he called Memphis, they were silent, and he assumed that meant they were out.

Do you have a link or source for this? All I have seen is message board posters claiming this.

Of course I don't have a link. The media got it wrong. I agree McMurphy is quite good with this stuff, but he made a wrong assumption with Rudd.

I had multiple sources talking directly to the Memphis president, the Memphis AD, FedEx, two Memphis media sources, numerous boosters, etc.

I also had 2 sources at Cincinnati, and one at Oklahoma who talked directly to Boren.

At the time, I had been following Memphis' realignment efforts with the Big East and Big 12 for several years, and had built up a network of friends and resources.

This is the first time I've ever mentioned sources, and of course I'm not naming anybody. But I can tell you that what I believe is also what Memphis admin believed at the time, and I got confirmation from UC contacts and the contact at OU.

Doesn't really matter now, but the myth perpetuated by McMurphy that Memphis didn't make the final 11 is complete BS, and obviously irritates me enough to wade into this quagmire, lol.

And you're never going to have any confirmation publicly, b/c the same schools who fought for spots want to live to fight another day. Or, in most cases, all the principal players have already moved on to other jobs, or passed away.

OK, thanks, I was just wondering where this information came from. I've seen it posted before, which was in direct conflict to what McMurphy and others reported.
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(12-03-2019 05:20 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 05:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Very interesting that previous favorites for Big 12 candidacy, UC and Memphis, are back at the top in the AAC. I wonder what it will take for these schools to finally get an invite.

Memphis was not a favorite, in fact they were left off the Big 12's final cut list when they went through that process a few years ago. And that was after shamelessly/brazenly trying to throw FedEx money at the Big 12.

More generally though, the answer is "nothing", as they clearly do not bring any added value to the Big 12. No G5 team does.

Quo, you are dead wrong. Media reports are not always accurate.

McMurphy called Memphis to ask Dr. Rudd if we were still in it, and Rudd, who had been asked to maintain media silence, would not answer the question, unlike some other university presidents who did.

So McMurphy assumed that meant Memphis was cut, and he published it. Absolutely incorrect.

And the Big 12 was going to expand, and ESPN essentially threatened them and they blinked.

P.S. I couldn't care less if you or anybody else believes that, but as long as you post it, I will rebut it.

McMurphy is pretty accurate when it comes to this stuff. I'm not saying he was 100% right, but what is your source that he called Memphis, they were silent, and he assumed that meant they were out.

Do you have a link or source for this? All I have seen is message board posters claiming this.

I've seen a Big 12 president quoted as saying, "If its a conference with Memphis in it, its not a conference I would want to be in."

I have no doubt Memphis was not in the finalists. Reporters had a number of leaks.
Now I would have Memphis #2 on my list behind BYU so don't say I'm biased against Memphis.
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(12-03-2019 07:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(12-03-2019 05:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 04:20 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Very interesting that previous favorites for Big 12 candidacy, UC and Memphis, are back at the top in the AAC. I wonder what it will take for these schools to finally get an invite.

Memphis was not a favorite, in fact they were left off the Big 12's final cut list when they went through that process a few years ago. And that was after shamelessly/brazenly trying to throw FedEx money at the Big 12.

More generally though, the answer is "nothing", as they clearly do not bring any added value to the Big 12. No G5 team does.

Quo, you are dead wrong. Media reports are not always accurate.

McMurphy called Memphis to ask Dr. Rudd if we were still in it, and Rudd, who had been asked to maintain media silence, would not answer the question, unlike some other university presidents who did.

So McMurphy assumed that meant Memphis was cut, and he published it. Absolutely incorrect.

And the Big 12 was going to expand, and ESPN essentially threatened them and they blinked.

P.S. I couldn't care less if you or anybody else believes that, but as long as you post it, I will rebut it.

McMurphy is pretty accurate when it comes to this stuff. I'm not saying he was 100% right, but what is your source that he called Memphis, they were silent, and he assumed that meant they were out.

Do you have a link or source for this? All I have seen is message board posters claiming this.

I've seen a Big 12 president quoted as saying, "If its a conference with Memphis in it, its not a conference I would want to be in."

I have no doubt Memphis was not in the finalists. Reporters had a number of leaks.
Now I would have Memphis #2 on my list behind BYU so don't say I'm biased against Memphis.

That's what I remember seeing as well.
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(12-03-2019 04:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Memphis was not a favorite, in fact they were left off the Big 12's final cut list when they went through that process a few years ago. And that was after shamelessly/brazenly trying to throw FedEx money at the Big 12.

More generally though, the answer is "nothing", as they clearly do not bring any added value to the Big 12. No G5 team does.

Quo, you are dead wrong. Media reports are not always accurate.

McMurphy called Memphis to ask Dr. Rudd if we were still in it, and Rudd, who had been asked to maintain media silence, would not answer the question, unlike some other university presidents who did.

So McMurphy assumed that meant Memphis was cut, and he published it. Absolutely incorrect.

And the Big 12 was going to expand, and ESPN essentially threatened them and they blinked.

P.S. I couldn't care less if you or anybody else believes that, but as long as you post it, I will rebut it.

McMurphy is pretty accurate when it comes to this stuff. I'm not saying he was 100% right, but what is your source that he called Memphis, they were silent, and he assumed that meant they were out.

Do you have a link or source for this? All I have seen is message board posters claiming this.

I've seen a Big 12 president quoted as saying, "If its a conference with Memphis in it, its not a conference I would want to be in."

I have no doubt Memphis was not in the finalists. Reporters had a number of leaks.
Now I would have Memphis #2 on my list behind BYU so don't say I'm biased against Memphis.

That's what I remember seeing as well.

Yes, multiple reporters, not just McMurphy, said that Memphis was left off the list.

The rest is just Memphis fan wishful thinking, not based in any known facts.
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Why hasn't this thread been re-edited to "NY6 down to 2" ?
Because the CFP rankings make it clear that the AAC winner goes to the Cotton Bowl. Memphis obviously with a win. But with the CFP ranking Cincinnati right behind Boise State, Cincy beating Memphis, adding a CFP Top 25 win to the resume while avenging one of their two Top 25 losses in light of Boise losing to mediocre BYU, would undoubtedly jump Boise State.

Why has this thread shifted to discussion of events three years ago?

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(12-03-2019 10:24 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Why hasn't this thread been re-edited to "NY6 down to 2" ?
Because the CFP rankings make it clear that the AAC winner goes to the Cotton Bowl. Memphis obviously with a win. But with the CFP ranking Cincinnati right behind Boise State, Cincy beating Memphis, adding a CFP Top 25 win to the resume while avenging one of their two Top 25 losses in light of Boise losing to mediocre BYU, would undoubtedly jump Boise State.

Why has this thread shifted to discussion of events three years ago?

I am a simple man, and I just don't understand...

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1. Memphis wins - Memphis in
2. (nearly every permutation of) Cincinnati wins - Cincinnati in
3. Cincinnati wins close, Boise St wins by blow out - 50/50 Cincinnati/Boise St
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(12-03-2019 11:07 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  1. Memphis wins - Memphis in
2. (nearly every permutation of) Cincinnati wins - Cincinnati in
3. Cincinnati wins close, Boise St wins by blow out - 50/50 Cincinnati/Boise St

It won't go past 2.
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(12-03-2019 11:07 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  1. Memphis wins - Memphis in
2. (nearly every permutation of) Cincinnati wins - Cincinnati in
3. Cincinnati wins close, Boise St wins by blow out - 50/50 Cincinnati/Boise St

I agree with this.

The question is how much of a blowout would Boise have to win by. A top 25 on the road...
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