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The AAC is in good shape. They are guaranteed to have home team with 1 loss in their CCG now. That's pretty big.
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As a supporter of both Memphis and Cincy, I wish you gents would stop jinxing both.

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(11-26-2019 08:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC is in good shape. They are guaranteed to have home team with 1 loss in their CCG now. That's pretty big.

Ever since Boise lost to BYU, the AAC has been 90% or more likely to have the NY6 team. That hasn't changed.
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right now the AAC has a 64% chance that there is no thought on the G5 spot....
Memphis with a 44% chance of winning out. Cincy with a 20% chance of winning out.
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(11-25-2019 04:10 PM)kurtrundell Wrote:  So why again is it that the G5 teams have to meet certain criteria to qualify for a NY6 game but the Clemsons, Ohio States, Alabamas, and Oklahomas don't have to win conference championships to get in the CFP?

My guess is that they wanted to make it like how the other conference have an auto-bid for the conference champion.

But it really makes no sense for the access bowl. It should just be the highest ranked G5 team.
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(11-25-2019 04:10 PM)kurtrundell Wrote:  So why again is it that the G5 teams have to meet certain criteria to qualify for a NY6 game but the Clemsons, Ohio States, Alabamas, and Oklahomas don't have to win conference championships to get in the CFP?

It's not a CFP game. If the Clemson's, Ohio State's, Alabama's and Oklahoma's of the world win their conference, they are guaranteed a spot at a contract bowl if they are NOT picked for the CFP.

Similarly the highest ranking of the 5 Go5 champions get the Access Bowl spot if they are NOT picked for the CFP.
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If AAC gets the access bowl, that will be 5 times in 7 years the AAC went to a NY6 bowl, with the other 2 times being Boise and WMU. I think the AAC has shown it's deserving of it's own bid.

What do you think of having an automatic NY6 bid for the AAC AND another one for the other 4 conferences (MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA). It seems like a win/win for everyone. The AAC wouldn't tie up the sole NY6 bid, and the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA would gain even greater access having to compete against less conferences.

This isn't meant to be disrespectful. Generally curious as to whether anyone would support this move. The alternative is the status quo, and let's be honest, the AAC is going to grab that 75% of the time, most likely. And if it's not the AAC, then Boise a lot of the time, leaving the SB, CUSA, and MAC with a hard road to NY6 (must go undefeated and hope AAC and Boise has 1 or 2 losses). Seems to me the more access points the better. I know some will downplay this as a way to keep the AAC in the G5 and not elevate them, but as I said, they're going to get the bid most of the time anyway.
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Are Cinci and Memphis back in play for Big12 with Cotton Bowl wins? Who would they play if a 12-1 AAC champ clinches a spot? PSU? Florida? I want to see them against a big time SEC defense like UCF LSU last year.
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(11-27-2019 12:48 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Are Cinci and Memphis back in play for Big12 with Cotton Bowl wins? Who would they play if a 12-1 AAC champ clinches a spot? PSU? Florida? I want to see them against a big time SEC defense like UCF LSU last year.

PSU/Florida/Minnesota/Wisconsin would all be in play I think.
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If Navy finishes 10-3 and Hawaii wins the MW, does Louisiana have a shot?
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(11-27-2019 12:48 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Are Cinci and Memphis back in play for Big12 with Cotton Bowl wins?

Memphis was never in play.
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(11-27-2019 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If AAC gets the access bowl, that will be 5 times in 7 years the AAC went to a NY6 bowl, with the other 2 times being Boise and WMU. I think the AAC has shown it's deserving of it's own bid.

What do you think of having an automatic NY6 bid for the AAC AND another one for the other 4 conferences (MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA). It seems like a win/win for everyone. The AAC wouldn't tie up the sole NY6 bid, and the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA would gain even greater access having to compete against less conferences.

This isn't meant to be disrespectful. Generally curious as to whether anyone would support this move. The alternative is the status quo, and let's be honest, the AAC is going to grab that 75% of the time, most likely. And if it's not the AAC, then Boise a lot of the time, leaving the SB, CUSA, and MAC with a hard road to NY6 (must go undefeated and hope AAC and Boise has 1 or 2 losses). Seems to me the more access points the better. I know some will downplay this as a way to keep the AAC in the G5 and not elevate them, but as I said, they're going to get the bid most of the time anyway.

Sure. They'd make it the NY7 and pair the AAC and the highest G4 champ in the seventh bowl most years.
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(11-27-2019 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If AAC gets the access bowl, that will be 5 times in 7 years the AAC went to a NY6 bowl, with the other 2 times being Boise and WMU. I think the AAC has shown it's deserving of it's own bid.

What do you think of having an automatic NY6 bid for the AAC AND another one for the other 4 conferences (MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA). It seems like a win/win for everyone. The AAC wouldn't tie up the sole NY6 bid, and the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA would gain even greater access having to compete against less conferences.

This isn't meant to be disrespectful. Generally curious as to whether anyone would support this move. The alternative is the status quo, and let's be honest, the AAC is going to grab that 75% of the time, most likely. And if it's not the AAC, then Boise a lot of the time, leaving the SB, CUSA, and MAC with a hard road to NY6 (must go undefeated and hope AAC and Boise has 1 or 2 losses). Seems to me the more access points the better. I know some will downplay this as a way to keep the AAC in the G5 and not elevate them, but as I said, they're going to get the bid most of the time anyway.
There was a NY10 on the table before they settled on 6. All champs would be included, but of course most G5 would play each other with lesser payouts at lesser bowls. BUT, they would all be under the same marketing umbrella.

I could see something like that being reconsidered.

I posted this elsewhere, but here are some rules for inducing P5vG5 matchups in the lower tier of a hypothetical NY10. All 10 Conference Champs make the field. Teams are also assigned a rank within their conference (independents considered 2nd place teams within their "conference"). The fourth ranked teams within a conference can only be picked if all second ranked teams from conferences are also picked; AND, third (and subsequently 4th) ranked teams from conferences can only be picked if all HIGHER RANKED second (and subsequently 3rd) ranked teams from conferences are also picked.

Fiesta: 1 OSU vs. 4 Georgia
Peach: 2 LSU vs. 3 Clemson
Rose: 6 Utah vs. 8 Minnesota
Sugar: 5 Alabama vs. 7 Oklahoma
Orange: 24 VT vs. 10 Penn State
Cotton: 9 Baylor vs. 11 Florida
LV: 20 Boise St vs. 14 Oregon
TX: 18 Memphis vs. 16 Notre Dame
FL: CUSA vs. MAC
DC: 25 App State vs. 19 Cincinnati

The last spot went to the Florida Gators, the 4th highest ranked team from the SEC. #12 Wisconsin (4th in the Big Ten), #21 OK State (3rd in the Big 12), and #22 USC (3rd in the Pac-12) could also have taken that spot. Once the Cotton selected Florida, those other 3 teams were no longer eligible to be selected by the second tier bowls.
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(11-27-2019 01:47 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If AAC gets the access bowl, that will be 5 times in 7 years the AAC went to a NY6 bowl, with the other 2 times being Boise and WMU. I think the AAC has shown it's deserving of it's own bid.

What do you think of having an automatic NY6 bid for the AAC AND another one for the other 4 conferences (MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA). It seems like a win/win for everyone. The AAC wouldn't tie up the sole NY6 bid, and the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA would gain even greater access having to compete against less conferences.

This isn't meant to be disrespectful. Generally curious as to whether anyone would support this move. The alternative is the status quo, and let's be honest, the AAC is going to grab that 75% of the time, most likely. And if it's not the AAC, then Boise a lot of the time, leaving the SB, CUSA, and MAC with a hard road to NY6 (must go undefeated and hope AAC and Boise has 1 or 2 losses). Seems to me the more access points the better. I know some will downplay this as a way to keep the AAC in the G5 and not elevate them, but as I said, they're going to get the bid most of the time anyway.
There was a NY10 on the table before they settled on 6. All champs would be included, but of course most G5 would play each other with lesser payouts at lesser bowls. BUT, they would all be under the same marketing umbrella.

I could see something like that being reconsidered.

I posted this elsewhere, but here are some rules for inducing P5vG5 matchups in the lower tier of a hypothetical NY10. All 10 Conference Champs make the field. Teams are also assigned a rank within their conference (independents considered 2nd place teams within their "conference"). The fourth ranked teams within a conference can only be picked if all second ranked teams from conferences are also picked; AND, third (and subsequently 4th) ranked teams from conferences can only be picked if all HIGHER RANKED second (and subsequently 3rd) ranked teams from conferences are also picked.

Fiesta: 1 OSU vs. 4 Georgia
Peach: 2 LSU vs. 3 Clemson
Rose: 6 Utah vs. 8 Minnesota
Sugar: 5 Alabama vs. 7 Oklahoma
Orange: 24 VT vs. 10 Penn State
Cotton: 9 Baylor vs. 11 Florida
LV: 20 Boise St vs. 14 Oregon
TX: 18 Memphis vs. 16 Notre Dame
FL: CUSA vs. MAC
DC: 25 App State vs. 19 Cincinnati

The last spot went to the Florida Gators, the 4th highest ranked team from the SEC. #12 Wisconsin (4th in the Big Ten), #21 OK State (3rd in the Big 12), and #22 USC (3rd in the Pac-12) could also have taken that spot. Once the Cotton selected Florida, those other 3 teams were no longer eligible to be selected by the second tier bowls.

dude there would be no artificial limits on conferences.... They had it in the BCS and they dropped it faster than anything with the NY6....
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(11-27-2019 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If AAC gets the access bowl, that will be 5 times in 7 years the AAC went to a NY6 bowl, with the other 2 times being Boise and WMU. I think the AAC has shown it's deserving of it's own bid.

What do you think of having an automatic NY6 bid for the AAC AND another one for the other 4 conferences (MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA). It seems like a win/win for everyone.

Except for .... the media companies that put up the money. Remember when the CFP was being negotiated, Aresco was pushing for a "7th Bowl" that would be for the G5? TV basically said there was no value in such a bowl, that's why the G5 slot got put in with the six major bowls.

Bottom line is, we can argue about whether the AAC has proved that it deserves its own bid, but it would be futile because 'deserve' in an on-the-field sense has nothing to do with it, it depends on what media is willing to pay for, and fan interest more generally.

Remember, we just went through the 2020-2025 round of bowl negotiations. If there was demand for an automatic bid for the AAC in the NY6, then the Cotton, Fiesta, or Peach bowls would have offered the AAC a contract. But of course there wasn't, heck, the AAC wasn't able to negotiate a new slate of minor bowls that was appreciably better than the 2012 - 2019 bowl lineup that was negotiated when the conference was brand new and unproven.

And as the new media deal shows, the AAC is easily the most valued G5 conference by TV, so that tells you what a rest-of-G4 contract would be worth.

There just is no apparent demand - where it counts - for such an arrangement.
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(11-27-2019 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If AAC gets the access bowl, that will be 5 times in 7 years the AAC went to a NY6 bowl, with the other 2 times being Boise and WMU. I think the AAC has shown it's deserving of it's own bid.

What do you think of having an automatic NY6 bid for the AAC AND another one for the other 4 conferences (MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA). It seems like a win/win for everyone. The AAC wouldn't tie up the sole NY6 bid, and the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA would gain even greater access having to compete against less conferences.

This isn't meant to be disrespectful. Generally curious as to whether anyone would support this move. The alternative is the status quo, and let's be honest, the AAC is going to grab that 75% of the time, most likely. And if it's not the AAC, then Boise a lot of the time, leaving the SB, CUSA, and MAC with a hard road to NY6 (must go undefeated and hope AAC and Boise has 1 or 2 losses). Seems to me the more access points the better. I know some will downplay this as a way to keep the AAC in the G5 and not elevate them, but as I said, they're going to get the bid most of the time anyway.


First, I'm not so sure the AAC is "going to get the bid most of the time anyway" as we move into the future. It might. I pull for Memphis and Cincy so I want the AAC to do well. But I also root for MTSU and wish C-USA well (and would be fine if that league's champ goes to the NY6 bowl sometime soon). Simply automatically slotting the AAC champ every year in the current NY6 bowl seems wrong.

As to interest in a NY7 game matching two teams from the other four conferences (if in your hypothetical proposal the American has the NY6 bowl locked in) ... it would take a VERY unusual scenario (say, one team lost its coach to a death and the other team has 10 starters who were former walk-ons) to create enough general fan interest such that companies would be enticed to advertise.

It's an interesting concept but I don't see it happening.
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(11-27-2019 02:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 01:47 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Fiesta: 1 OSU vs. 4 Georgia
Peach: 2 LSU vs. 3 Clemson
Rose: 6 Utah vs. 8 Minnesota
Sugar: 5 Alabama vs. 7 Oklahoma
Orange: 24 VT vs. 10 Penn State
Cotton: 9 Baylor vs. 11 Florida
LV: 20 Boise St vs. 14 Oregon
TX: 18 Memphis vs. 16 Notre Dame
FL: CUSA vs. MAC
DC: 25 App State vs. 19 Cincinnati

The last spot went to the Florida Gators, the 4th highest ranked team from the SEC. #12 Wisconsin (4th in the Big Ten), #21 OK State (3rd in the Big 12), and #22 USC (3rd in the Pac-12) could also have taken that spot. Once the Cotton selected Florida, those other 3 teams were no longer eligible to be selected by the second tier bowls.

dude there would be no artificial limits on conferences.... They had it in the BCS and they dropped it faster than anything with the NY6....
In the case of a NY10, the limits would be to protect conferences like the Big Ten and SEC from too many games versus the G5.

While App State and whatever second-tier bowl they reach may prefer selecting #12 Wisconsin, the Badgers and the Big Ten would prefer the Capital One Bowl against #15 Auburn.
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(11-27-2019 03:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If AAC gets the access bowl, that will be 5 times in 7 years the AAC went to a NY6 bowl, with the other 2 times being Boise and WMU. I think the AAC has shown it's deserving of it's own bid.

What do you think of having an automatic NY6 bid for the AAC AND another one for the other 4 conferences (MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA). It seems like a win/win for everyone.

Except for .... the media companies that put up the money.

This. "Deserve" is in this context is, "has shown that the expected media value of the appearance by their Champion is $X or more" ... and no, the times that the AAC has been the Go5 Access Bowl rep have not been such windfalls that the Access Bowls are jockeying for who gets to host the Go5 school.
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(11-28-2019 12:58 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 03:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 12:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  If AAC gets the access bowl, that will be 5 times in 7 years the AAC went to a NY6 bowl, with the other 2 times being Boise and WMU. I think the AAC has shown it's deserving of it's own bid.

What do you think of having an automatic NY6 bid for the AAC AND another one for the other 4 conferences (MWC, SB, MAC, CUSA). It seems like a win/win for everyone.

Except for .... the media companies that put up the money.

This. "Deserve" is in this context is, "has shown that the expected media value of the appearance by their Champion is $X or more" ... and no, the times that the AAC has been the Go5 Access Bowl rep have not been such windfalls that the Access Bowls are jockeying for who gets to host the Go5 school.

Yes, and this isn't just speculation, we pretty much know it for sure, because new bowl deals were just negotiated this past year.

Had there been demand among the media companies and NY6 bowls for an auto-bid for the AAC, then one of the "Access" bowls would have offered a contract to the AAC, but obviously that didn't happen. And that was in the context of an AAC team having played in the Access bowl two straight years.

Truth is, all the available evidence suggests that the AAC, like all the other G5 conferences, is viewed by the major bowls as a Hot Potato that nobody wants to get stuck with. That's just how it is.
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(11-25-2019 12:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(11-24-2019 11:02 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-24-2019 10:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. Memphis as 1 loss AAC Champ
2. Cincinnati as 1 loss AAC Champ
3. Boise as 1 loss MWC champ
4. App St as 1 loss SB champ

Memphis with 2 home games controls their own destiny to the Cotton Bowl if they win out.

Memphis and Cincy both control their own destiny. They go 2-0, they are the G5 rep no matter what.....


And I think if Memphis and Cincy split, the title game winner still might get it if the loss was close and the win was decisive.


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