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RE: Divisions may be going away
(11-23-2019 10:57 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 07:35 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 05:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  All we have is Jimbo Fisher talking off the cuff for a few seconds at his weekly press appearance. And here is everything he said:

Quote:“I know they’re looking at some formats going forward that keep the three main and rotate five and all those things,” Fisher said. “I think it is good for your players, eventually, to play everybody in the conference. I really do believe that…. When you have conferences as big as you have now, that’s kind of the way it goes.”

There haven't been any specific proposals publicly made by any major conference. So the question is who is "they" that Jimbo refers to? The only "they" he would be in connection with is his own conference.

That and a 3-5 plan would specifically fit the current SEC model. Everyone else except the ACC is playing 9 games and I don't see why he'd have any information on what the ACC would be looking at.

South Carolina’s prior president said at a BOT meeting this summer that this is something the SEC is studying and would presumably be lobbying for

Lots and lots of things get studied. Most never see the light of day.
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(11-23-2019 11:01 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 10:43 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 09:53 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 08:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 07:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nine conference games is stupid unless you are a ten member conference. The negatives far out-weigh the positives. You cycle through your conference mates faster, but you hand half your conference an automatic loss, you limit the number of quality OOC games your teams play, and the scheduling imbalance of 5 home conference games for half the league vs 4 home conference games for the other half.

In moving from 8 to 9 conference games:

You also hand half your conference an automatic win.

It doesn't have to limit the number of quality OOC opponents unless each team is using all 4 OOC games to play quality opponents.

A team may have 4 home and 5 away conference games in one season, but they will have 5 home and 4 away the next season. So it all balances out.

Handing half of your conference an automatic win while handing the other half an automatic loss means you have gained absolutely nothing in the long run. At least with the extra OOC game you have an opportunity for a majority, if not all, of your conference teams to pick up a win while weakening the resume of another conference. Granted, you could lose all of the extra games but at least the conference has the opportunity to make gains instead of the assured .500.

There’s very few teams who play 9 conference games and play two quality OOC games. When the ACC tried to stupidly go to 9 games it wasn’t the cupcake games teams dropped, it was the P5 games. Clemson dropped series with Ole Miss and Oklahoma State in order to maintain seven home games and the revenue they bring in for the school.

It does you little good to have five home games next year when your roster is built for this year when you have four home games.

If your argument is that a conference has a roughly equal chance of having a winning record OOC as they do a losing one, how is that better than a guaranteed 0.500?

If a power conference has 9 conference games, then it doesn't need as many OOC power games as a conference with only 8 games.

Some teams will be good in the years they have 5 home conference games, some teams won't, some will be good when they have 4, some won't. It all evens out.

When you have 9 conference games it basically harms any program that has a permanent out of conference rival.

You can say “well nothing is stopping them from scheduling 9+2” but that’s just being obtuse

If your annual OOC is Clemson, do you need to play any other power teams OOC? 03-wink
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RE: Divisions may be going away
I’m fully on board with 3-4 annual rival/nearby schools and rotate the rest

It’s the best of both worlds

You protect the rivalries that matter while making sure every generation of players and students gets a chance to see a game vs every conference mate home and away

It makes a lot of sense

For A&M, protect Arkansas and LSU and we’re good. We can rotate through everyone else
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South Carolina likes to play UNC and NC State which are old rivals for the Gamecocks. The SEC conference schedule is much more of a grind than a lot of you guys think it is. Plus, we Georgia Dawgs play Georgia Tech
every year and we play Florida in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year. Florida plays FSU every year and plays us in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year for them.
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The P5 leagues really need to be playing 10 P5 opponents a year, which means that if you’re only playing 8 conference games you need to have 2 P5 OOC foes
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NC State now plays Duke, UVa, VT, and GT just twice every six years. The impact is that NC State does not play a game but once ever 12 years in the State of Georgia and just once every six years in Va.

From 1900 to 1964 State and VT played 49 games.
From 1989 to 2019 we have played just 9 games and one of those a Peach Bowl

From 1924 until 2003 State and Duke played 80 games.
From 2003 forward we have played just three games.

From 1904 until 2007 State and UVa had played 55 games.
From 2007 until 2019 we have played just 3 games.

The recruiting hotbeds in the ACC footprint are in order: Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia/DC, SC, Kentucky, NY, and Massachusetts.

Coastal schools are shut out so to speak only in Mass, NY, KY, and SC - tiny amounts of recruits in these states. (SC only because it is so small)
Atlantic schools are shut out of Georgia, Pa, Virginia/DC - it's a monstrous recruiting disadvantage.

Divisionless allows fairer bi-annual access to an area, allows for historic rivalries to flourish again, and adds variety to what has become a stale set of division opponents.

NC State fans pine away for the days when we played OOC games at Penn State, Michigan State, Nebraska, Georgia, and Auburn, but that's not going to happen when you have Clemson, FSU, and Wake Forest and UNC every year.
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(11-23-2019 11:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  South Carolina likes to play UNC and NC State which are old rivals for the Gamecocks. The SEC conference schedule is much more of a grind than a lot of you guys think it is. Plus, we Georgia Dawgs play Georgia Tech
every year and we play Florida in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year. Florida plays FSU every year and plays us in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year for them.

We ain't going back to Columbia in the damn month of September - never again.

We used to play them in October - there was a reason for that. It was not hot as hell.
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NC State had a tiny stadium until 1966. The result was that we played many away games at Duke, Carolina, Alabama, UCLA, Arizona State, Penn State, Nebraska, Michigan State, etc.

Now we are caught at just 60K seats. Capacity wise TN, Georgia, and PSU will not play us unless it's 2 for 1. Risk wise it's not worth the risk as NC State usually plays to the level of the opponent as we did about 15 years ago with 2 one score losses to Ohio State. NC State's fan by and large hate playing in Charlotte and just don't like Panther's Stadium. Fed Ex might as well be in Happy Valley, and Atlanta is home field for Tennessee, Georgia, Bama, and Auburn.

All in all there is a growing degree of boredom with College Football
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(11-23-2019 11:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The P5 leagues really need to be playing 10 P5 opponents a year, which means that if you’re only playing 8 conference games you need to have 2 P5 OOC foes

Many do, including nearly all B1G, P12 and B12 schools, plus some of the ACC and SEC who have a built in P5 OOC rival. But the biggest thing P5 schools need is a 7th home game, which overrides that 10th P5 game. And I just don't see any real desire from schools to get there. What do they benefit? Many think the SEC has a built in advantage with one less P5 game, and it results in more Playoff berths than other conferences (IMO it has more to do with Alabama being ridiculously loaded and well run under Saban).

More likely the P5 go division-less to play at least one more rivalry game for better attendance and interest (even on down years fans show up for the hated rival) in those 7 home games. This might also make the CCGs more meaningful as you'll have fewer games where one of the Division winners is a 3 loss team as we have seen repeatedly from the ACC and P12, and where the B1G often has an also ran from the West Division
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(11-23-2019 12:00 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 11:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  South Carolina likes to play UNC and NC State which are old rivals for the Gamecocks. The SEC conference schedule is much more of a grind than a lot of you guys think it is. Plus, we Georgia Dawgs play Georgia Tech
every year and we play Florida in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year. Florida plays FSU every year and plays us in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year for them.

We ain't going back to Columbia in the damn month of September - never again.

We used to play them in October - there was a reason for that. It was not hot as hell.

That would mean you're never going to Athens in September either. I assure you, it's even hotter in Athens in September. Good luck trying to get an OOC game with the Dawgs in October. Very crowded month.
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(11-23-2019 11:58 AM)Statefan Wrote:  NC State now plays Duke, UVa, VT, and GT just twice every six years. The impact is that NC State does not play a game but once ever 12 years in the State of Georgia and just once every six years in Va.

From 1900 to 1964 State and VT played 49 games.
From 1989 to 2019 we have played just 9 games and one of those a Peach Bowl

From 1924 until 2003 State and Duke played 80 games.
From 2003 forward we have played just three games.

From 1904 until 2007 State and UVa had played 55 games.
From 2007 until 2019 we have played just 3 games.

The recruiting hotbeds in the ACC footprint are in order: Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia/DC, SC, Kentucky, NY, and Massachusetts.

Coastal schools are shut out so to speak only in Mass, NY, KY, and SC - tiny amounts of recruits in these states. (SC only because it is so small)
Atlantic schools are shut out of Georgia, Pa, Virginia/DC - it's a monstrous recruiting disadvantage.

Divisionless allows fairer bi-annual access to an area, allows for historic rivalries to flourish again, and adds variety to what has become a stale set of division opponents.

NC State fans pine away for the days when we played OOC games at Penn State, Michigan State, Nebraska, Georgia, and Auburn, but that's not going to happen when you have Clemson, FSU, and Wake Forest and UNC every year.

NC State could play OOC vs UGA, Ga State, or Ga Southern. Or NC State can do what it does best, sit back and wait for someone else to do it for them while complaining the entire time that it’s taking too long. God forbid the folks in Rawlee show any kind of initiative.
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(11-23-2019 10:43 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 09:53 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 08:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 07:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 05:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Or they could play 9 conference games.

Nine conference games is stupid unless you are a ten member conference. The negatives far out-weigh the positives. You cycle through your conference mates faster, but you hand half your conference an automatic loss, you limit the number of quality OOC games your teams play, and the scheduling imbalance of 5 home conference games for half the league vs 4 home conference games for the other half.

In moving from 8 to 9 conference games:

You also hand half your conference an automatic win.

It doesn't have to limit the number of quality OOC opponents unless each team is using all 4 OOC games to play quality opponents.

A team may have 4 home and 5 away conference games in one season, but they will have 5 home and 4 away the next season. So it all balances out.

Handing half of your conference an automatic win while handing the other half an automatic loss means you have gained absolutely nothing in the long run. At least with the extra OOC game you have an opportunity for a majority, if not all, of your conference teams to pick up a win while weakening the resume of another conference. Granted, you could lose all of the extra games but at least the conference has the opportunity to make gains instead of the assured .500.

There’s very few teams who play 9 conference games and play two quality OOC games. When the ACC tried to stupidly go to 9 games it wasn’t the cupcake games teams dropped, it was the P5 games. Clemson dropped series with Ole Miss and Oklahoma State in order to maintain seven home games and the revenue they bring in for the school.

It does you little good to have five home games next year when your roster is built for this year when you have four home games.

If your argument is that a conference has a roughly equal chance of having a winning record OOC as they do a losing one, how is that better than a guaranteed 0.500?

If a power conference has 9 conference games, then it doesn't need as many OOC power games as a conference with only 8 games.

Some teams will be good in the years they have 5 home conference games, some teams won't, some will be good when they have 4, some won't. It all evens out.

When was the last time a team that played nine conference games won a playoff game?

At least with 8 conference games and four OOC you have a chance to strengthen your conference’s ranking. With 9/3 you gain absolutely nothing. For every Ohio State/Illinois game you get far more Rutgers/Minnesota and Maryland/Iowa type games that even the fans of the two teams don’t particularly care about. Instead we could be seeing an Illinois/Missouri or an Iowa/Oklahoma type game, something that draws real interest.
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(11-23-2019 11:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  South Carolina likes to play UNC and NC State which are old rivals for the Gamecocks. The SEC conference schedule is much more of a grind than a lot of you guys think it is. Plus, we Georgia Dawgs play Georgia Tech
every year and we play Florida in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year. Florida plays FSU every year and plays us in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year for them.

I don't think anybody believes the SEC schedule isn't a grind. However, nobody put a gun to the SEC's head to expand to 14, and nobody is forcing schools to stay in the SEC. Those schools elected to do that, and reap the financial rewards for it. However, if one of the consequences is that other schools who don't have those financial benefits find themselves in a position to be considered for things like the current playoff, it's disingenuous to play the "but our schedule is too hard" pity card, since you're the one who chose to join a conference that causes it.

This is the main reason why I hate the concept of two teams from the same conference being in the playoff and leaving other conference champs out. We don't KNOW whether the Pac-12 champ or the Big XII champ is better than the SEC champ, because they won't have played. But we DO know that the SEC runner up already DID play them and lost to them.

And don't go the transitivity route that all of the SEC fanboys are going to use - "Oregon lost to Auburn" (which leaves unsaid that it was on a desperation pass at the end of the game, but they still lost to them). Georgia lost to South Carolina, who lost to Appalachian State. So if Georgia wins the SEC, does that mean Appalachian State should be in the playoff?

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(11-23-2019 01:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 10:43 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 09:53 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 08:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 07:47 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Nine conference games is stupid unless you are a ten member conference. The negatives far out-weigh the positives. You cycle through your conference mates faster, but you hand half your conference an automatic loss, you limit the number of quality OOC games your teams play, and the scheduling imbalance of 5 home conference games for half the league vs 4 home conference games for the other half.

In moving from 8 to 9 conference games:

You also hand half your conference an automatic win.

It doesn't have to limit the number of quality OOC opponents unless each team is using all 4 OOC games to play quality opponents.

A team may have 4 home and 5 away conference games in one season, but they will have 5 home and 4 away the next season. So it all balances out.

Handing half of your conference an automatic win while handing the other half an automatic loss means you have gained absolutely nothing in the long run. At least with the extra OOC game you have an opportunity for a majority, if not all, of your conference teams to pick up a win while weakening the resume of another conference. Granted, you could lose all of the extra games but at least the conference has the opportunity to make gains instead of the assured .500.

There’s very few teams who play 9 conference games and play two quality OOC games. When the ACC tried to stupidly go to 9 games it wasn’t the cupcake games teams dropped, it was the P5 games. Clemson dropped series with Ole Miss and Oklahoma State in order to maintain seven home games and the revenue they bring in for the school.

It does you little good to have five home games next year when your roster is built for this year when you have four home games.

If your argument is that a conference has a roughly equal chance of having a winning record OOC as they do a losing one, how is that better than a guaranteed 0.500?

If a power conference has 9 conference games, then it doesn't need as many OOC power games as a conference with only 8 games.

Some teams will be good in the years they have 5 home conference games, some teams won't, some will be good when they have 4, some won't. It all evens out.

When was the last time a team that played nine conference games won a playoff game?

At least with 8 conference games and four OOC you have a chance to strengthen your conference’s ranking. With 9/3 you gain absolutely nothing. For every Ohio State/Illinois game you get far more Rutgers/Minnesota and Maryland/Iowa type games that even the fans of the two teams don’t particularly care about. Instead we could be seeing an Illinois/Missouri or an Iowa/Oklahoma type game, something that draws real interest.

You're moving the goal posts now. In any case, there have only been 5 years of the CFP, so it's a poor sample size. Your argument is more against the generally weak performance of most Big Ten teams rather than their 9-game conference schedule.
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(11-23-2019 01:58 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 01:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 10:43 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 09:53 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 08:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  In moving from 8 to 9 conference games:

You also hand half your conference an automatic win.

It doesn't have to limit the number of quality OOC opponents unless each team is using all 4 OOC games to play quality opponents.

A team may have 4 home and 5 away conference games in one season, but they will have 5 home and 4 away the next season. So it all balances out.

Handing half of your conference an automatic win while handing the other half an automatic loss means you have gained absolutely nothing in the long run. At least with the extra OOC game you have an opportunity for a majority, if not all, of your conference teams to pick up a win while weakening the resume of another conference. Granted, you could lose all of the extra games but at least the conference has the opportunity to make gains instead of the assured .500.

There’s very few teams who play 9 conference games and play two quality OOC games. When the ACC tried to stupidly go to 9 games it wasn’t the cupcake games teams dropped, it was the P5 games. Clemson dropped series with Ole Miss and Oklahoma State in order to maintain seven home games and the revenue they bring in for the school.

It does you little good to have five home games next year when your roster is built for this year when you have four home games.

If your argument is that a conference has a roughly equal chance of having a winning record OOC as they do a losing one, how is that better than a guaranteed 0.500?

If a power conference has 9 conference games, then it doesn't need as many OOC power games as a conference with only 8 games.

Some teams will be good in the years they have 5 home conference games, some teams won't, some will be good when they have 4, some won't. It all evens out.

When was the last time a team that played nine conference games won a playoff game?

At least with 8 conference games and four OOC you have a chance to strengthen your conference’s ranking. With 9/3 you gain absolutely nothing. For every Ohio State/Illinois game you get far more Rutgers/Minnesota and Maryland/Iowa type games that even the fans of the two teams don’t particularly care about. Instead we could be seeing an Illinois/Missouri or an Iowa/Oklahoma type game, something that draws real interest.

You're moving the goal posts now. In any case, there have only been 5 years of the CFP, so it's a poor sample size. Your argument is more against the generally weak performance of most Big Ten teams rather than their 9-game conference schedule.

Performances we wouldn’t have had to endure had their records not been enhanced by wins earned against inferior Big 10 opponents instead of being tested OOC.
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There's absolutely no reason to play 9 conference games if you can get rid of divisions. The benefits of the latter far outweigh any theoretical gains of 9 league games.

One of those benefits has been stated...you've got room on your schedule to play multiple Power schools out of conference. You still get 7 home games and you get to rotate through all your conference mates in a short period of time. I see no downside whatsoever.
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I do NOT see divisions going away at all. :)

With 12+ teams in conferences (sans B12, for now) -- and want to make excuses to have even 16 teams -- you're going to need Divisions, sorry.

Otherwise, a Conf Championship game doesn't hold as much weight.

I can see the SEC not liking their division format. Getting rid of them isn't the solution at all. The way the B12 has it is UNIDEAL. The *ONLY* reason they have a Conf Championship in their weird format is because not having one costs the B12 Champ the ability to go to the 4-team playoff.

Considering in just a handful of years, there'll most likely be an 8 team playoff where all P5 Champs go -- that's not going to be an issue to the B12. And they'll end up having a couple extra teams most likely when this happens anyway (and once you have a championship game, no matter how weird the conference setup is, they ain't taking it away anyway).

You don't want "re-match re-do" games to decide a conf champ. That's ridiculous. Does any other sport people watch, in their conference with no divisions of separation, have a conf championship GAME among the #1 & #2 teams?

I would instead see a conference like the SEC mixing it up. EX: Shifting 4 teams into another division every 4 years.
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(11-23-2019 03:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 01:58 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 01:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 10:43 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 09:53 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Handing half of your conference an automatic win while handing the other half an automatic loss means you have gained absolutely nothing in the long run. At least with the extra OOC game you have an opportunity for a majority, if not all, of your conference teams to pick up a win while weakening the resume of another conference. Granted, you could lose all of the extra games but at least the conference has the opportunity to make gains instead of the assured .500.

There’s very few teams who play 9 conference games and play two quality OOC games. When the ACC tried to stupidly go to 9 games it wasn’t the cupcake games teams dropped, it was the P5 games. Clemson dropped series with Ole Miss and Oklahoma State in order to maintain seven home games and the revenue they bring in for the school.

It does you little good to have five home games next year when your roster is built for this year when you have four home games.

If your argument is that a conference has a roughly equal chance of having a winning record OOC as they do a losing one, how is that better than a guaranteed 0.500?

If a power conference has 9 conference games, then it doesn't need as many OOC power games as a conference with only 8 games.

Some teams will be good in the years they have 5 home conference games, some teams won't, some will be good when they have 4, some won't. It all evens out.

When was the last time a team that played nine conference games won a playoff game?

At least with 8 conference games and four OOC you have a chance to strengthen your conference’s ranking. With 9/3 you gain absolutely nothing. For every Ohio State/Illinois game you get far more Rutgers/Minnesota and Maryland/Iowa type games that even the fans of the two teams don’t particularly care about. Instead we could be seeing an Illinois/Missouri or an Iowa/Oklahoma type game, something that draws real interest.

You're moving the goal posts now. In any case, there have only been 5 years of the CFP, so it's a poor sample size. Your argument is more against the generally weak performance of most Big Ten teams rather than their 9-game conference schedule.

Performances we wouldn’t have had to endure had their records not been enhanced by wins earned against inferior Big 10 opponents instead of being tested OOC.

The strength of conferences and programs increases and decreases over time. Right now the SEC is quite strong. If your argument against the Big Ten playing 9 games is that there are too many weak teams in the conference, then you'd have to be in favor of 9 games for the SEC. More games between strong teams than against relatively weak OOC opponents.
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RE: Divisions may be going away
(11-23-2019 12:00 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 11:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  South Carolina likes to play UNC and NC State which are old rivals for the Gamecocks. The SEC conference schedule is much more of a grind than a lot of you guys think it is. Plus, we Georgia Dawgs play Georgia Tech
every year and we play Florida in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year. Florida plays FSU every year and plays us in Jacksonville every year. That's a loss of 2 home games every other year for them.

We ain't going back to Columbia in the damn month of September - never again.

We used to play them in October - there was a reason for that. It was not hot as hell.

Judging from your comments about Pennsylvania below, I take it you used to live in the Keystone State, Statefan. You might want to see about getting the NC State AD to play some September games out on the West Coast. Not very hot at all in Oregon in September, and Autzen is a smaller stadium too. I know because I visited relatives in the state during July, which is a very hot month in SEC country, but I actually needed a light jacket in Oregon.
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RE: Divisions may be going away
(11-23-2019 03:59 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I do NOT see divisions going away at all. :)

With 12+ teams in conferences (sans B12, for now) -- and want to make excuses to have even 16 teams -- you're going to need Divisions, sorry.

Otherwise, a Conf Championship game doesn't hold as much weight.

Why?

Quote:I can see the SEC not liking their division format. Getting rid of them isn't the solution at all. The way the B12 has it is UNIDEAL. The *ONLY* reason they have a Conf Championship in their weird format is because not having one costs the B12 Champ the ability to go to the 4-team playoff.

Considering in just a handful of years, there'll most likely be an 8 team playoff where all P5 Champs go -- that's not going to be an issue to the B12. And they'll end up having a couple extra teams most likely when this happens anyway (and once you have a championship game, no matter how weird the conference setup is, they ain't taking it away anyway).

You don't want "re-match re-do" games to decide a conf champ. That's ridiculous. Does any other sport people watch, in their conference with no divisions of separation, have a conf championship GAME among the #1 & #2 teams?

I would instead see a conference like the SEC mixing it up. EX: Shifting 4 teams into another division every 4 years.

I get the rematch argument, but that happens with divisions as well. See example 1, AAC.

I created a clause where if the finale is between the top two teams, the loser cannot appear in the CCG. It becomes a play-in game essentially.*

Although, the rematch should be at a neutral location, spicing things up.


*I believe the same for the current playoff, actually. If a team loses their CCG, they should be eliminated.
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