(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Dumb question, but when you say "improved" are you saying that 2 wins instead of 1 next year will be an improvement? Or is it more nuanced than that? We have the full schedule next year, do you want to take you guess on how many games we would win if we kept BW and retained all players?
We had better have some OLinemen ready to blossom, because right now, with Tony Barnett aging out, we only have Isaac Weaver as far as I can tell.
Even with Clarke, Weaver, and Barnett in 2018 the OL was problematic, This year, we wasted our best OLineman, Weaver, at Center much of the time.
W/O a true Center, next year looks even more bleak.
(This post was last modified: 11-25-2019 04:13 PM by ODUalum78.)
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Dumb question, but when you say "improved" are you saying that 2 wins instead of 1 next year will be an improvement? Or is it more nuanced than that? We have the full schedule next year, do you want to take you guess on how many games we would win if we kept BW and retained all players?
Have to wait and see what happens with staff and returning players at this point.
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Dumb question, but when you say "improved" are you saying that 2 wins instead of 1 next year will be an improvement? Or is it more nuanced than that? We have the full schedule next year, do you want to take you guess on how many games we would win if we kept BW and retained all players?
We had better have some OLinemen ready to blossom, because right now, with Tony Barnett aging out, we only have Isaac Weaver as far as I can tell.
Even with Clarke, Weaver, and Barnett in 2018 the OL was problematic, This year, we wasted our best OLineman, Weaver, at Center much of the time.
W/O a true Center, next year looks even more bleak.
Why isn't Weaver a true center?
Next years OL returns everyone except Barnett (assuming no one leaves). THere is also some talented freshman could push for time given a full offseason.
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Dumb question, but when you say "improved" are you saying that 2 wins instead of 1 next year will be an improvement? Or is it more nuanced than that? We have the full schedule next year, do you want to take you guess on how many games we would win if we kept BW and retained all players?
We had better have some OLinemen ready to blossom, because right now, with Tony Barnett aging out, we only have Isaac Weaver as far as I can tell.
Even with Clarke, Weaver, and Barnett in 2018 the OL was problematic, This year, we wasted our best OLineman, Weaver, at Center much of the time.
W/O a true Center, next year looks even more bleak.
Why isn't Weaver a true center?
Next years OL returns everyone except Barnett (assuming no one leaves). THere is also some talented freshman could push for time given a full offseason.
It is not that he is not a true center, but that he is an excellent tackle. I didn't see any of our OL that played that position as well as Weaver.
If we had another center we could move him back out.
(11-25-2019 04:21 PM)AimHigh Wrote: If you like rainbows and unicorns here ya go! Bobby is super excited for next season.
I can't bear to listen to this guy anymore ...... I would rather drink hot bacon grease than listen to this clown ramble on about 'just wait until next year' -- guess he thinks that his self announced 3 game audition (2 down 1 to go) went pretty darn well -- enough for him to get a bonus and return to continue the freakshow.
My ODAF donation for next year is on the fence, and it BW returns...... well the decision is rather easy. As far as I'm concerned the audition is over. We have been circling the drain for 3 years and have reached the bottom. TIME FOR CHANGE.
(11-24-2019 09:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: Our biggest issues on offense have been QB and WR and the injury to Lala. Im hopeful that Moore/Fitz/Kumah makes a decent WR core. Wolfe has made strides and will likely improve next year.
Once Wolfe took over all of a sudden our pass blocking got better!
Well....
Wolff has a classic drop back and throw. He doesn't awkwardly move around and hold on to the ball too long.
In other words, he often made the OL look better.
One only needs to look at our supposed screen passes and edge runs to see how slow our OL has been this year.
In general, the QB makes the OL look good or bad. Running QBs almost always make OLs pass blocking look bad because you never know what the QB is going to do. And they typically scramble out of the pocket quicker.
No, an OL make themselves look good or bad. Their ability to open up holes for a running back and give a QB “all day” to throw when he drops back are the hallmarks of a good OL.
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Dumb question, but when you say "improved" are you saying that 2 wins instead of 1 next year will be an improvement? Or is it more nuanced than that? We have the full schedule next year, do you want to take you guess on how many games we would win if we kept BW and retained all players?
We had better have some OLinemen ready to blossom, because right now, with Tony Barnett aging out, we only have Isaac Weaver as far as I can tell.
Even with Clarke, Weaver, and Barnett in 2018 the OL was problematic, This year, we wasted our best OLineman, Weaver, at Center much of the time.
W/O a true Center, next year looks even more bleak.
Why isn't Weaver a true center?
Next years OL returns everyone except Barnett (assuming no one leaves). THere is also some talented freshman could push for time given a full offseason.
It is not that he is not a true center, but that he is an excellent tackle. I didn't see any of our OL that played that position as well as Weaver.
If we had another center we could move him back out.
The left tackles we had replacing Weaver played better at LT than Weaver.
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Isn’t that the same argument last year re: why we were supposed to have a good year? All the returning/experienced players. Do you work for the program? You seem to have a vested interest in defending its performance.
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Isn’t that the same argument last year re: why we were supposed to have a good year? All the returning/experienced players. Do you work for the program? You seem to have a vested interest in defending its performance.
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Isn’t that the same argument last year re: why we were supposed to have a good year? All the returning/experienced players. Do you work for the program? You seem to have a vested interest in defending its performance.
I predicted us to win 2-3 games this year.
And how many did you predict for last year’s team?
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Isn’t that the same argument last year re: why we were supposed to have a good year? All the returning/experienced players. Do you work for the program? You seem to have a vested interest in defending its performance.
I predicted us to win 2-3 games this year.
And how many did you predict for last year’s team?
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Isn’t that the same argument last year re: why we were supposed to have a good year? All the returning/experienced players. Do you work for the program? You seem to have a vested interest in defending its performance.
I predicted us to win 2-3 games this year.
And how many did you predict for last year’s team?
7 and we were a massive failure
Wilder is likely gone, and I would suggest that last year did him in more than this year. We all knew that this year would be rough (though not necessarily this rough.) But last year's team was way too talented to have the year they had. It was the beginning of the end for Wilder.
(11-25-2019 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: We are on track to return 18 starters (counting Wolfe) next year. The only losses will be Brewton, Moss, Wilder, and Barnett.
Let me give you some examples....in 2018, there were 21 teams that returned 16 starters or more including their QB; 17 of them had a better record than they did in 2017.
In 2019, there were 24 teams that brought back 16 or more starters. All but 4 matched or surpassed last year records (FIU, Michigan State, App State, and Iowa State) and 2 of them have the chance to tie it by winning one of their remaining games.
FWIW, were 116th in returning starters this year with 9. THe leaders in CUSA in returning starters were Southern Miss (improved), FIU (fell apart) and Western Kentucky (muhc improved).
Players improve over 4 years and the teams that have the most returning starters do significantly better than teams that don't return many starters.
Isn’t that the same argument last year re: why we were supposed to have a good year? All the returning/experienced players. Do you work for the program? You seem to have a vested interest in defending its performance.
I predicted us to win 2-3 games this year.
And how many did you predict for last year’s team?
7 and we were a massive failure
And, hence, the flaw in the logic. Clearly, you’re close to the program and I feel for the coaches and their families who are going to be impacted. But we have an FBS program to run and restore to respectability.
(11-25-2019 08:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: What happened last year has nothing to do with next year
Based on our 2014 recruiting class and returnees, we should have been bowl good
in 2017.
Based on the total number of returnees, we should have been been at least bowl good in 2018.
This season was a rebuilding season, but even so we should have beaten a poor Norfolk St. by more than 4 points, and it appears that my prediction of 1-11, based on the NSU outcome will be realized.
I believe that there are some ominous signs that indeed could correlate last year with next year, all other things being the same.
(This post was last modified: 11-25-2019 09:31 PM by ODUalum78.)
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