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(11-28-2019 02:13 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 12:02 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Boise State:
Houston Nutt: 4-7
Dirk Koetter: 6-5, 10-3, 10-2
Dan Hawkins: 8-4, 12-1, 13-1, 11-1, 9-4
Chris Petersen: 13-0, 10-3, 12-1, 14-0, 12-1, 12-1, 11-2, 8-4
Bob Gregory: 0-1
Bryan Harsin: 12-2, 9-4, 10-3, 11-3, 10-3, 10-1
Just a reminder that, during that stretch, Boise State is 17-22 (.436) against teams from P5 conferences (at the time the game was played), and 220-35 (.863) against everyone else.

For a G5 to go 17-22 against P5s is actually pretty strong. There are a number of signature wins among those 17. I would be surprised if any other G5 is substantially better over that time frame, and not surprised if no G5 is any better.

And other than Nutt, who IIRC (and as your listing suggests) was only there for a year, I'd take the records of any of those others, and the 22-year record (233-50, .823) or 23 counting Nutt (237-57, .806) is outstanding.

Yes, of course it's harder to do that at Rice than at Boise. But that just means it's harder, not impossible. And hard or not, that's the kind of track record we need to attract any opportunity to move upward from CUSA.

Remember, "We do these things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard."
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(11-28-2019 11:59 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
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(11-28-2019 11:13 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 10:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 10:17 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  It's worth mentioning that Boise State currently has two distinct advantages over Rice:
1) they are basically similar to a football version of Gonzaga in that if you're a good player form the Northwestern part of the country and can't/aren't as interested in getting into a P-5 in that region (basically PAc-10, or perhaps some B1G) then they can suck up any other decent player in that part of the country (as long as they aren't longing for warmer weather): i.e. they have a lot less direct competition in their tier in that region than Rice does in its
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2) I'd go out on a limb and say that Boise is just a tad easier to get into academically then Rice, and there are more places to "hide" athletes academically, so they have a bit more time/energy to devote to football

Rice ostensibly has tons of competition from other G-5s in its own conference in its own state that are way easier academically, as well as have a bit better recent history of winning.

Not to say I wouldn't want Rice to emulate their string of coaching hires and successes, but it is a slightly easier school to have success on the football field for than we are at the moment.

Boise State has very few scholarship players from the PacNW (defining that as ID, WA, and OR)... I just went through their roster-you’d be surprised at the geographic distribution. The vast majority of their players are from CA (with a decent amount from Texas, actually)-where there’s plenty of G5 competition.

Agreed on the academics piece. Boise is a glorified community college though I’ve done some business in Boise (actually a great small city to visit) recently and it does appear to be a growing and vibrant school with lots of community support.

The general student body is basically a community college, imagine how bad the football team is. I’m sure Blue Mountain State isn’t completely made up out of thin air 04-cheers

Schools like Boise are why the NCAA requires athletes to have minimum SAT scores (our conference has those schools too, hey Marshall and UTEP). Looking at the rules now though if a student can get a 3.5 at a terrible HS then they only need a 430 on their SAT. The minimum you can get on the SAT for showing up is 400. Someone with a GPA of 2.5 only needs a 900. Low bars indeed....

From the Boise State grads I’ve met-which is admittedly a small sample and also probably some selection bias given that my interactions have been with the F50 company I work for-it’s a bit more complicated than that.

If you grow up in Idaho, you don’t really have many options for school. You can go to Boise St, University of Idaho, or Idaho State for public, or BYU-Idaho if you want a private/religious school. Traditionally, all of the “smart kids” went to University of Idaho, but with the growth of Boise and the increased notoriety of the school (largely due to football), many are now going to Boise State. As a result, I get the impression that there’s fairly high variance within the student body-lots of bright people and also some who are just scraping by...

But yes (stating the obvious), it’s not in remotely the same league as Rice or any of our peers.

Every school has their high achievers who choose to attend for whatever reason (family, proximity, $) but Boise lets in 82% of applicants and has an average SAT of 1110. That’s about like Marshall. I believe both are considered “regional schools” by USNWR and aren’t even ranked against most FBS universities academically. UTEP lets in 100% of applicants. We should not be in a conference with these schools but that’s what we’vethe school's leadership team let happen.

Strongly Agree. And the answer's not D-III-that would be an acceptance of failure; the answer was spending the $$ for the SEC back in the day (or the AAC more recently, but as has been posted elsewhere, that was a somewhat more nuanced decision as the outcome was less clear at the time); no matter what the outcome, the answer to any positive way out of where we are now will always include the University leadership choosing to spend a substantially greater amount of money over a substantially longer time period.
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(11-29-2019 12:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 02:13 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 12:02 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Boise State:
Houston Nutt: 4-7
Dirk Koetter: 6-5, 10-3, 10-2
Dan Hawkins: 8-4, 12-1, 13-1, 11-1, 9-4
Chris Petersen: 13-0, 10-3, 12-1, 14-0, 12-1, 12-1, 11-2, 8-4
Bob Gregory: 0-1
Bryan Harsin: 12-2, 9-4, 10-3, 11-3, 10-3, 10-1
Just a reminder that, during that stretch, Boise State is 17-22 (.436) against teams from P5 conferences (at the time the game was played), and 220-35 (.863) against everyone else.

For a G5 to go 17-22 against P5s is actually pretty strong. There are a number of signature wins among those 17. I would be surprised if any other G5 is substantially better over that time frame, and not surprised if no G5 is any better.

And other than Nutt, who IIRC (and as your listing suggests) was only there for a year, I'd take the records of any of those others, and the 22-year record (or 23 counting Nutt) is outstanding.

Yes, of course it's harder to do that at Rice than at Boise. But that just means it's harder, not impossible. And hard or not, that's the kind of track record we need to attract any opportunity to move upward from CUSA.

Remember, "We do these things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard."

I have always believed the bolded above, from day 1.
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(11-28-2019 11:59 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  Every school has their high achievers who choose to attend for whatever reason (family, proximity, $) but Boise lets in 82% of applicants and has an average SAT of 1110. That’s about like Marshall. I believe both are considered “regional schools” by USNWR and aren’t even ranked against most FBS universities academically. UTEP lets in 100% of applicants. We should not be in a conference with these schools but that’s what we’ve let happen.

We have never been in a conference with schools that are academic peers, and we never will be unless the Ivy League comes beckoning (which it won't). We are in a conference with athletic peers--maybe. Or maybe not, based upon our recent record there.

If we want a different set of conference mates, we have to move into a different athletic peer group. And that is on us to improve ourselves, not them to adjust their standards.
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Mizzou fires Barry Odom as coach after 4 seasons at alma mater

Missouri belongs back in the BigXII, not in the SEC--that's our spot :)

Quote:Missouri fired coach Barry Odom on Saturday, a day after the team completed its season at 6-6 (hmm, so, bowl game and potential winning season is not enough).

Odom went 25-25 and 13-19 in SEC play during four seasons at his alma mater, where he served as defensive coordinator before being promoted to succeed Gary Pinkel after the 2015 season. Missouri started 5-1 this fall before dropping five consecutive games. The Tigers beat Arkansas on Friday.

According to their AD, Mizzou "had tremendous momentum coming into the 2019 season with the opening of the new south End Zone Facility."

Odom went 4-8 in his first season before guiding Missouri to consecutive bowl appearances and 4-4 records in SEC play.
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Mike Bob allegedly will be fired at Colo. State.

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Quote:Who’s the Bigger Clown?

[Image: bobo-the-clown-coach.png]
Mike Bobo, Head Football Coach – Colorado State University. His losing record (25-31) and uninspiring leadership has turned this proud football program into a clown show. Bobo has to go go!

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Joe Parker, Athletic Director – Colorado State University. Extended Mike Bobo’s contract and made him the highest-paid coach in the Conference — with a $6,000,000 buyout. What a joke!

Signs point to Colorado State football program moving on from Mike Bobo

Quote:In his first head coaching job, Mike Bobo put together three straight 7-6 seasons, each of them ending with a loss in the bowl game. The 2018 season saw a dip to 3-9, and this season saw just four wins.

After that 3-9 season in 2018, Bobo decided to forgo a $100,000 increase to his pay.

Ohio State assistant head coach offense – running Tony Alford is expected to be a prime candidate for the job. Alford was an All-WAC running back at Colorado State in the late 80s / early 90s. Following six seasons at Notre Dame he has served on Urban Meyer and now Ryan Day’s staff at Ohio State the past 5 seasons.
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FSU athletic director David Coburn says there was no advantage in waiting to fire Willie Taggart

Quote:"Frankly, 6-6 isn't good enough," Florida State athletic director David Coburn said.

Agree.
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(11-30-2019 05:18 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  FSU athletic director David Coburn says there was no advantage in waiting to fire Willie Taggart

Quote:"Frankly, 6-6 isn't good enough," Florida State athletic director David Coburn said.

Agree.

$18 million buyout.
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Add Frank Wilson - out at UTSA. Among those being mentioned to replace him? Todd Graham.
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(11-30-2019 04:40 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Mizzou fires Barry Odom as coach after 4 seasons at alma mater

Missouri belongs back in the BigXII, not in the SEC--that's our spot :)

Quote:Missouri fired coach Barry Odom on Saturday, a day after the team completed its season at 6-6 (hmm, so, bowl game and potential winning season is not enough).

Odom went 25-25 and 13-19 in SEC play during four seasons at his alma mater, where he served as defensive coordinator before being promoted to succeed Gary Pinkel after the 2015 season. Missouri started 5-1 this fall before dropping five consecutive games. The Tigers beat Arkansas on Friday.

According to their AD, Mizzou "had tremendous momentum coming into the 2019 season with the opening of the new south End Zone Facility."

Odom went 4-8 in his first season before guiding Missouri to consecutive bowl appearances and 4-4 records in SEC play.

Mizzou had one of the easiest conceivable schedules in the SEC this year. In a year where only Georgia was head-and-shoulders above the SEC East median, Odom's only division victory was over a South Carolina that is likely to fire Will Muschamp. Mizzou opened the season with a loss at 7-5 Wyoming, then rattled off 5 straight wins against non-bowling teams before losing 5 straight in the division, including Vanderbilt's only conference win. They weren't even competitive against Kentucky. Their West division opponents were abysmal Arkansas and Mississippi. When it's that clearly teed up, you have to be in the championship discussion.
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(12-01-2019 02:05 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  
(11-30-2019 04:40 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Mizzou fires Barry Odom as coach after 4 seasons at alma mater

Missouri belongs back in the BigXII, not in the SEC--that's our spot :)

Quote:Missouri fired coach Barry Odom on Saturday, a day after the team completed its season at 6-6 (hmm, so, bowl game and potential winning season is not enough).

Odom went 25-25 and 13-19 in SEC play during four seasons at his alma mater, where he served as defensive coordinator before being promoted to succeed Gary Pinkel after the 2015 season. Missouri started 5-1 this fall before dropping five consecutive games. The Tigers beat Arkansas on Friday.

According to their AD, Mizzou "had tremendous momentum coming into the 2019 season with the opening of the new south End Zone Facility."

Odom went 4-8 in his first season before guiding Missouri to consecutive bowl appearances and 4-4 records in SEC play.

Mizzou had one of the easiest conceivable schedules in the SEC this year. In a year where only Georgia was head-and-shoulders above the SEC East median, Odom's only division victory was over a South Carolina that is likely to fire Will Muschamp. Mizzou opened the season with a loss at 7-5 Wyoming, then rattled off 5 straight wins against non-bowling teams before losing 5 straight in the division, including Vanderbilt's only conference win. They weren't even competitive against Kentucky. Their West division opponents were abysmal Arkansas and Mississippi. When it's that clearly teed up, you have to be in the championship discussion.

Florida is a top 15 team in the East. But you’re right the rest of their schedule was easy and they had a top transfer QB to start the season. Mizzou still remembers winning the East not so long ago, success that A&M will never have in the West.
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Charlie Strong out at South Florida.
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Addazio out at BC.
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(11-28-2019 10:41 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 02:13 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 12:02 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Boise State:

Houston Nutt: 4-7
Dirk Koetter: 6-5, 10-3, 10-2
Dan Hawkins: 8-4, 12-1, 13-1, 11-1, 9-4
Chris Petersen: 13-0, 10-3, 12-1, 14-0, 12-1, 12-1, 11-2, 8-4
Bob Gregory: 0-1
Bryan Harsin: 12-2, 9-4, 10-3, 11-3, 10-3, 10-1

Just a reminder that, during that stretch, Boise State is 17-22 (.436) against teams from P5 conferences (at the time the game was played), and 220-35 (.863) against everyone else.

tl;dr: It's all about the money and little else matters.

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Imagine how far ahead we'd be from where we are now if we had done even half as well in those two categories. They have done an excellent job in their hires over time, not just a single hire, and developed a reputation where potential head coaches know: 1) they can win there, 2)they can recruit there (despite the remote area and harsh climate) and 3) they can get proportionally bigger time TV publicity from there

They are spending the money now, but at one point, they had ambition (they kept moving their program up the ranks from lower conferences/divisions) and similar, but different to TCU, at one point their school leadership collectively made a firm and unequivocal decision that being good in football was the number one way they could improve their standing as a school as well as marketing what, essentially, was something similar to, say, Montana, Idaho, Idaho State, etc...

While the Boise example is not a direct corollary to exactly what Rice has to do, both Boise and TCU inform in one important area (and one could also argue this for former peers (and bottom dwellers) Baylor and SMU) Their University Leadership Teams made a public and unequivocal decision to be a lot better, which came with a lot of financial dollars committed by the universities themselves, as well as an unwavering commitment to invest in what eventually led to greener pastures over time, although it took a decade or two (or more) for each school to really even begin to show a significant return. So...more than a one-time or a one or two year bump in commitment.

Rice has one HUGE advantage over all these schools in that it has the financial wherewithal to make that kind of a commitment any time it wants to...but is doesn't want to. Rice's leadership team has shown near-zero commitment, near-zero leadership, and near-zero courage. The only thing Rice's participation in D-I sports markets to the nation is near-consistent failure and ineptitude, which increasingly tarnishes the national respect its academic endeavors otherwise might engender.

To wit: People who don't follow Rice sports more than casually still will tell you that Rice is excellent in baseball, which we know at the moment and in the recent past is no longer true.

This seems to show two things: 1) Making a big splash nationally in a major sport, enters the national consciousness at some point and sticks there long after the actual success, thus shaping the school's general image in the collective national mindset, and this works for better or for worse (hence the need for a string of ultra-successful seasons over time, a la Boise and TCU vs the one lone CUSA championship that even some Rice folks don't remember anymore) Heck, most folks still remember and associate Appalachian State as a winning program because it once went into the Big House and beat Michigan.
2) D-I sports success on the field (i.e. winning at a much higher rate that Rice has in the last 50-60 years) has marketing value far beyond the gridiron or court or field and is more worthy of the investment than our current or past leadership teams has cared to acknowledge.

Will Coach Bloom be the answer here? Despite his poor performance so far, he still has a chance because he has won these past two games and will definitely get another season. But in order to be that answer, in season 3 he has to break out beyond just a Who-cares-bowl; otherwise he is only more or less equivalent to what we have already had, which doesn't change much if anything at all.

Boise's string of coaching successes moved the needle for them. They will for a long time still be a glorified commuter/community college. But everyone in the Top 25 won't mind having them play in their home stadiums, and every other year they are in contention for and will often play in, the Access Bow, with an outside chance of getting in the CFP final four if the cards fall right in a season. Compared to where Rice is, they have handled their hand extremely shrewdly and their millions invested prudently. They can get a LOT of quality head coaches to come coach them, because they kept their investment up over decades far above what their current or past station/success told them they could do.

tl;dr: It's all about the money and little else matters. Spend it consistently over time with a decades long commitment by the U leadership team to Publicly declare we intend to get out of the mess/conference we are in and it will eventually happen.

Hmmm. You responded tl;dr to a one-sentence post, and proceeded to write a nine paragraph reply.

Just sayin'.
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Todd Orlando apparently fired at Texas as defensive coordinator. Former Rice assistant Craig Naivar is expected to take over full DC duties for their bowl game.
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Not surprising. Somebody had to take the fall for Texas relative poor season. I wonder who will be fired at A&M?
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Mehringer fired.. Backstory below:

https://twitter.com/fademartymush/status...56385?s=21
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From twitter:

I wonder if David Bailiff would want another crack at C-USA.....San Antonio native...
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You think UTSA will hire him? I don't. Maybe they should consider Rick Neuheisel. He's a former San Antonio playing legend (of sorts) - for the USFL San Antonio Gunslingers.
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