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ETSU and Mercer can say what they want, but they left primarily because of football, or the fact that the ASUN didnt have a option for football at the time. Yeah, the SoCon had to replace a couple of schools, but if the ASUN and the Big South would have had the football agreement that they have now, one or both would still be in the ASUN. Northern Kentucky had no plans to stay in the ASUN from day 1. They wouldn't have stayed in the OVC if they would have been invited when the OVC was looking at them and UNA.

As far as conference rankings as a whole, it can shift dramatically in a couple of years. I remember last year, folks said the ASUN wouldn't be better than the OVC, well, one year later....

Too much looking at right now, and past. If you dont want to stay, try to pay off what ever other conference you think you are better suited for and let them reject you again...
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Hahaha this got interesting. Did someone just pull a nerve? It is what it is.
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(01-19-2020 11:26 PM)army56mike Wrote:  NET- 18 January
24. Liberty (-2)
200. North Florida (+17)
227. Jacksonville (-20)
288. North Alabama (-23)
294. Lipscomb (-19)
296. NJIT (+12)
317. Stetson (+3)
325. FGCU (-)
350. Kennesaw St. (-)

KENPOM- 19 January
54. Liberty (-9)
180. North Florida (+9)
240. Jacksonville (-25)
274. Lipscomb (-12)
280. North Alabama (-17)
267. NJIT (+13)
314. FGCU (+5)
311. Stetson (+16)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

Only one team on either list above the median in Division I. North Alabama gets a pass for a while as they transition to Division I but the rest are generally disappointing. How likely is it this is a single year event? Are any of the teams young or injured that would be a cause to have a big boost next year?

FGCU has the name brand that says they should improve, with Lipscomb to a lesser extent. I already think NJIT is punching above their usual so I don't expect much growth there. KSU is focused on football so we can probably cross them off too, though they can't get much worse. I don't know how much better Stetson can be. Maybe Jacksonville will improve with the unfortunate elimination of the football team. I just don't see much hope for improvement in the near future and Liberty could slip which would further drag down the conference.
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(01-21-2020 08:32 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-19-2020 11:26 PM)army56mike Wrote:  NET- 18 January
24. Liberty (-2)
200. North Florida (+17)
227. Jacksonville (-20)
288. North Alabama (-23)
294. Lipscomb (-19)
296. NJIT (+12)
317. Stetson (+3)
325. FGCU (-)
350. Kennesaw St. (-)

KENPOM- 19 January
54. Liberty (-9)
180. North Florida (+9)
240. Jacksonville (-25)
274. Lipscomb (-12)
280. North Alabama (-17)
267. NJIT (+13)
314. FGCU (+5)
311. Stetson (+16)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

Only one team on either list above the median in Division I. North Alabama gets a pass for a while as they transition to Division I but the rest are generally disappointing. How likely is it this is a single year event? Are any of the teams young or injured that would be a cause to have a big boost next year?

FGCU has the name brand that says they should improve, with Lipscomb to a lesser extent. I already think NJIT is punching above their usual so I don't expect much growth there. KSU is focused on football so we can probably cross them off too, though they can't get much worse. I don't know how much better Stetson can be. Maybe Jacksonville will improve with the unfortunate elimination of the football team. I just don't see much hope for improvement in the near future and Liberty could slip which would further drag down the conference.

That's fair...

Okay, and this is me inquiring, more than optimistic opinions.

If, since UNA gets a pass, let's say they continue to trend upward, and by the end of their transition they are very competitive in contending for the championship alongside Liberty, UNF, and hopefully FGCU. That's 4 programs moving up. Add Bellarmine, with whom most of us believe will be a great addition for the conference, especially after their transition. That would be 5 of 10 good, strong programs. NJIT and Lipscomb and possibly (as you mentioned) JU could, depending on the year be in the fight as well.

Aren't most conferences that way to a large degree? Yeah, I know they are ranked higher. But as long as those teams perform, gets good OOC wins, what would keep them from moving up the NET rankings?

They way I look at it is, as long as Liberty (and yeah, I know yall feel like it's the opposite) is in the conference, the other schools will be trying to compete to be as good. That makes the conference better. I dont see anyone saying, "We cant compete with Liberty, so we will just stay put." I would say it's the opposite, schools in the ASUN are looking at Liberty and saying, "Good, we have a program that can help get eyes on the conference, we need to step up and do our part."

That's how I think the conference gets better.
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(01-19-2020 11:26 PM)army56mike Wrote:  NET- 18 January
24. Liberty (-2)
200. North Florida (+17)
227. Jacksonville (-20)
288. North Alabama (-23)
294. Lipscomb (-19)
296. NJIT (+12)
317. Stetson (+3)
325. FGCU (-)
350. Kennesaw St. (-)

KENPOM- 19 January
54. Liberty (-9)
180. North Florida (+9)
240. Jacksonville (-25)
274. Lipscomb (-12)
280. North Alabama (-17)
267. NJIT (+13)
314. FGCU (+5)
311. Stetson (+16)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

AP Poll
#35 Liberty (-)

Coach’s Poll
#45

NABC Coaches Poll
#1 Bellarmine

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Thanks for the updates on the ASUN. It is appreciated.
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(01-22-2020 09:17 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:32 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-19-2020 11:26 PM)army56mike Wrote:  NET- 18 January
24. Liberty (-2)
200. North Florida (+17)
227. Jacksonville (-20)
288. North Alabama (-23)
294. Lipscomb (-19)
296. NJIT (+12)
317. Stetson (+3)
325. FGCU (-)
350. Kennesaw St. (-)

KENPOM- 19 January
54. Liberty (-9)
180. North Florida (+9)
240. Jacksonville (-25)
274. Lipscomb (-12)
280. North Alabama (-17)
267. NJIT (+13)
314. FGCU (+5)
311. Stetson (+16)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

Only one team on either list above the median in Division I. North Alabama gets a pass for a while as they transition to Division I but the rest are generally disappointing. How likely is it this is a single year event? Are any of the teams young or injured that would be a cause to have a big boost next year?

FGCU has the name brand that says they should improve, with Lipscomb to a lesser extent. I already think NJIT is punching above their usual so I don't expect much growth there. KSU is focused on football so we can probably cross them off too, though they can't get much worse. I don't know how much better Stetson can be. Maybe Jacksonville will improve with the unfortunate elimination of the football team. I just don't see much hope for improvement in the near future and Liberty could slip which would further drag down the conference.

That's fair...

Okay, and this is me inquiring, more than optimistic opinions.

If, since UNA gets a pass, let's say they continue to trend upward, and by the end of their transition they are very competitive in contending for the championship alongside Liberty, UNF, and hopefully FGCU. That's 4 programs moving up. Add Bellarmine, with whom most of us believe will be a great addition for the conference, especially after their transition. That would be 5 of 10 good, strong programs. NJIT and Lipscomb and possibly (as you mentioned) JU could, depending on the year be in the fight as well.

Aren't most conferences that way to a large degree? Yeah, I know they are ranked higher. But as long as those teams perform, gets good OOC wins, what would keep them from moving up the NET rankings?

They way I look at it is, as long as Liberty (and yeah, I know yall feel like it's the opposite) is in the conference, the other schools will be trying to compete to be as good. That makes the conference better. I dont see anyone saying, "We cant compete with Liberty, so we will just stay put." I would say it's the opposite, schools in the ASUN are looking at Liberty and saying, "Good, we have a program that can help get eyes on the conference, we need to step up and do our part."

That's how I think the conference gets better.

I guess you and I differ in our opinions is that you think the conference will bond over shared competition. You think that an alpha program (currently Liberty though it can be anyone) will inspire other schools to pick up their own slack. So if I don't understand, my response likely won't make sense.

I don't necessarily think an alpha program would cause another school to think all is lost so why bother so that's not exactly my argument. My argument is why would/does it take a competitive conference to inspire you to invest and do well? If most of the ASUN members are hypothetically looking for the exit, why isn't that inspiring everyone to be their best so they are the ones who get invited to a better conference? Or why isn't it inspiring to grab the brass ring if the rest of the conference is down and take all the glory and accolades that come with making the NCAA tournament?

I respect your opinion and I respect looking at things positively and I don't ask you to change because it's admirable. I just don't agree that schools aren't trying their best all the time no matter the conference make up, dynamics, or strength.
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(01-22-2020 09:17 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 09:17 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:32 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-19-2020 11:26 PM)army56mike Wrote:  NET- 18 January
24. Liberty (-2)
200. North Florida (+17)
227. Jacksonville (-20)
288. North Alabama (-23)
294. Lipscomb (-19)
296. NJIT (+12)
317. Stetson (+3)
325. FGCU (-)
350. Kennesaw St. (-)

KENPOM- 19 January
54. Liberty (-9)
180. North Florida (+9)
240. Jacksonville (-25)
274. Lipscomb (-12)
280. North Alabama (-17)
267. NJIT (+13)
314. FGCU (+5)
311. Stetson (+16)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

Only one team on either list above the median in Division I. North Alabama gets a pass for a while as they transition to Division I but the rest are generally disappointing. How likely is it this is a single year event? Are any of the teams young or injured that would be a cause to have a big boost next year?

FGCU has the name brand that says they should improve, with Lipscomb to a lesser extent. I already think NJIT is punching above their usual so I don't expect much growth there. KSU is focused on football so we can probably cross them off too, though they can't get much worse. I don't know how much better Stetson can be. Maybe Jacksonville will improve with the unfortunate elimination of the football team. I just don't see much hope for improvement in the near future and Liberty could slip which would further drag down the conference.

That's fair...

Okay, and this is me inquiring, more than optimistic opinions.

If, since UNA gets a pass, let's say they continue to trend upward, and by the end of their transition they are very competitive in contending for the championship alongside Liberty, UNF, and hopefully FGCU. That's 4 programs moving up. Add Bellarmine, with whom most of us believe will be a great addition for the conference, especially after their transition. That would be 5 of 10 good, strong programs. NJIT and Lipscomb and possibly (as you mentioned) JU could, depending on the year be in the fight as well.

Aren't most conferences that way to a large degree? Yeah, I know they are ranked higher. But as long as those teams perform, gets good OOC wins, what would keep them from moving up the NET rankings?

They way I look at it is, as long as Liberty (and yeah, I know yall feel like it's the opposite) is in the conference, the other schools will be trying to compete to be as good. That makes the conference better. I dont see anyone saying, "We cant compete with Liberty, so we will just stay put." I would say it's the opposite, schools in the ASUN are looking at Liberty and saying, "Good, we have a program that can help get eyes on the conference, we need to step up and do our part."

That's how I think the conference gets better.

I guess you and I differ in our opinions is that you think the conference will bond over shared competition. You think that an alpha program (currently Liberty though it can be anyone) will inspire other schools to pick up their own slack. So if I don't understand, my response likely won't make sense.

I don't necessarily think an alpha program would cause another school to think all is lost so why bother so that's not exactly my argument. My argument is why would/does it take a competitive conference to inspire you to invest and do well? If most of the ASUN members are hypothetically looking for the exit, why isn't that inspiring everyone to be their best so they are the ones who get invited to a better conference? Or why isn't it inspiring to grab the brass ring if the rest of the conference is down and take all the glory and accolades that come with making the NCAA tournament?

I respect your opinion and I respect looking at things positively and I don't ask you to change because it's admirable. I just don't agree that schools aren't trying their best all the time no matter the conference make up, dynamics, or strength.

I'm saying that stability helps, not necessarily that the Alfa program helps, but it can.

If the conference is stable, that means the programs that essentially like were th hey are, or realistically have nowhere else to go for whatever reason, can breath easily because the know they have a conference that will be there, and dont have to worry about things like an AQ, or if the conference will fold all together. When the stability comes, it helps the programs focus on program success and not things like, will we even have a conference in a few years? Especially schools like JU and Stetson and a lesser degree FGCU. No FBS conference will go after them without FBS football, and no non football conference with take them because of geography. They are kinda stuck. Their only other option would have been to go to D2. Now that its stable, they can focus on better things is all I'm trying to say.

And, a program like Liberty, can provide kinda, competitive shock, and force programs to reevaluate their competitiveness and do better. I look at it like if im a boss, and want my employees to do better, I can bring in an "alfa" and figure out who is going to step up and who is going to hide. Competition kills laziness. So, in order to compete, the schools in the conference will have to figure it out, or drop..
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The thing about Liberty is part of our mission is to play and compete among the best while growing athletically. That is not your perspective, therefore that's not going to happen. Liberty is not to show or help others to become better. We want to show sportsmanship but to win and gain national attention to share our mission.
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(01-22-2020 10:56 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  The thing about Liberty is part of our mission is to play and compete among the best while growing athletically. That is not your perspective, therefore that's not going to happen. Liberty is not to show or help others to become better. We want to show sportsmanship but to win and gain national attention to share our mission.

That's great....

And I didnt say that liberty should show up and "help" others become better. I'm saying if the others want to compete, they have to step it up.

And as far as the best, it may be Liberty's mission, but I hate to break it to ya, the AAC will be as high as you will go, and they will never be considered a "power" conference. The SEC, Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12, and ACC will make sure of that. And they will not invite anyone who does not have the history. Its outlined in the Autonomous deal they have. That's why certain schools from the old Big East got left out. So, realistically Libertys options are,
A-10 (is overflowing at the moment)
CAA (maybe)
Sun Belt & C-USA (pretty much laughed in Libertys face)
AAC (would have invited Liberty by now)
MAC (would you want to be in the MAC?)
ASUN (see what happens with this new deal)
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(01-22-2020 11:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 10:56 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  The thing about Liberty is part of our mission is to play and compete among the best while growing athletically. That is not your perspective, therefore that's not going to happen. Liberty is not to show or help others to become better. We want to show sportsmanship but to win and gain national attention to share our mission.

That's great....

And I didnt say that liberty should show up and "help" others become better. I'm saying if the others want to compete, they have to step it up.

And as far as the best, it may be Liberty's mission, but I hate to break it to ya, the AAC will be as high as you will go, and they will never be considered a "power" conference. The SEC, Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12, and ACC will make sure of that. And they will not invite anyone who does not have the history. Its outlined in the Autonomous deal they have. That's why certain schools from the old Big East got left out. So, realistically Libertys options are,
A-10 (is overflowing at the moment)
CAA (maybe)
Sun Belt & C-USA (pretty much laughed in Libertys face)
AAC (would have invited Liberty by now)
MAC (would you want to be in the MAC?)
ASUN (see what happens with this new deal)

You have no idea what occurred with the deals with Sun Belt and Conference USA. You think it was them laughing, but you are not even close. I'll let you believe what you want though.
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(01-22-2020 11:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 10:56 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  The thing about Liberty is part of our mission is to play and compete among the best while growing athletically. That is not your perspective, therefore that's not going to happen. Liberty is not to show or help others to become better. We want to show sportsmanship but to win and gain national attention to share our mission.

That's great....

And I didnt say that liberty should show up and "help" others become better. I'm saying if the others want to compete, they have to step it up.

And as far as the best, it may be Liberty's mission, but I hate to break it to ya, the AAC will be as high as you will go, and they will never be considered a "power" conference. The SEC, Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12, and ACC will make sure of that. And they will not invite anyone who does not have the history. Its outlined in the Autonomous deal they have. That's why certain schools from the old Big East got left out. So, realistically Libertys options are,
A-10 (is overflowing at the moment)
CAA (maybe)
Sun Belt & C-USA (pretty much laughed in Libertys face)
AAC (would have invited Liberty by now)
MAC (would you want to be in the MAC?)
ASUN (see what happens with this new deal)

Another option is build as an INDY. I think that our best move would be Indy with 5 P5 games per year and all other sports in the A10. It’s no offense to the ASUN it’s just that would give us a lot of fan interest with series against Richmond, VCU and George Mason.
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(01-22-2020 11:56 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 11:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 10:56 PM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote:  The thing about Liberty is part of our mission is to play and compete among the best while growing athletically. That is not your perspective, therefore that's not going to happen. Liberty is not to show or help others to become better. We want to show sportsmanship but to win and gain national attention to share our mission.

That's great....

And I didnt say that liberty should show up and "help" others become better. I'm saying if the others want to compete, they have to step it up.

And as far as the best, it may be Liberty's mission, but I hate to break it to ya, the AAC will be as high as you will go, and they will never be considered a "power" conference. The SEC, Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12, and ACC will make sure of that. And they will not invite anyone who does not have the history. Its outlined in the Autonomous deal they have. That's why certain schools from the old Big East got left out. So, realistically Libertys options are,
A-10 (is overflowing at the moment)
CAA (maybe)
Sun Belt & C-USA (pretty much laughed in Libertys face)
AAC (would have invited Liberty by now)
MAC (would you want to be in the MAC?)
ASUN (see what happens with this new deal)

You have no idea what occurred with the deals with Sun Belt and Conference USA. You think it was them laughing, but you are not even close. I'll let you believe what you want though.

I said that in jest... I know what happened, but its burned bridges now. This argument is a mute point now. We are all about to be part of a 20 school conference... and from what I gather, no D2 invites.

And no, (after what I found out investigating this via phone calls) Liberty, UNA and Bellarmine will not be pushed aside. A big part of this was Libertys idea, along with the vision of Gumbart.

The announcement was vague on purpose. All 10 current ASUN members will still be in the ASUN, with no buy in or exit fee (should you not want to be involved). The ASUN 7 is just legalities.

The new conference (from all I am understanding) will be an FBS conference if this comes to fruition. The UAC (United Athletic Conference) will take the place of the ASUN/BIG South football deal and the Big South will stop football operations. The UAC will be a football only FCS conference consisting of ASUN FCS members and Big South football members, and maybe others. The CCSA is just basically (in simple terms) dropping its current sports and just doing football while changing names.

The source I have, could not let me in on the new 10 members, but said it would all be current D1 (FBS) schools. So with reasonable deductions, you have to figure, given the current footprint of the ASUN, a mix of C-USA and Sun Belt schools will be joining. Probably eastern schools from Alabama to the Atlantic. UConn and UMass could even possibly be football only members?

I like it...
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NET- 26 January
73. Liberty (-49)
198. North Florida (+2)
232. Jacksonville (-5)
285. North Alabama (+3)
291. Lipscomb (+3)
293. NJIT (+3)
302. Stetson (+15)
331. FGCU (-6)
348. Kennesaw St. (+2)

KENPOM- 26 January
70. Liberty (-16)
184. North Florida (-4)
220. Jacksonville (+20)
274. Lipscomb (-)
275. North Alabama (+5)
273. NJIT (-6)
325. FGCU (-11)
303. Stetson (+8)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

AP Poll
03-pissed

Coach’s Poll
03-pissed

NABC Coaches Poll
TBD - Bellarmine is now 15-2 after dropping back to back games.

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(01-27-2020 07:42 PM)army56mike Wrote:  NET- 26 January
73. Liberty (-49)
198. North Florida (+2)
232. Jacksonville (-5)
285. North Alabama (+3)
291. Lipscomb (+3)
293. NJIT (+3)
302. Stetson (+15)
331. FGCU (-6)
348. Kennesaw St. (+2)

KENPOM- 26 January
70. Liberty (-16)
184. North Florida (-4)
220. Jacksonville (+20)
274. Lipscomb (-)
275. North Alabama (+5)
273. NJIT (-6)
325. FGCU (-11)
303. Stetson (+8)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

AP Poll
03-pissed

Coach’s Poll
03-pissed

NABC Coaches Poll
TBD - Bellarmine is now 15-2 after dropping back to back games.

D2SIDA
See comment above

So Liberty loses twice and drops like a rock in the rankings while the winners barely move up, if at all. Ugh this conference sucks and I can't believe we lost to a sub 300 team.
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(01-30-2020 10:03 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 07:42 PM)army56mike Wrote:  NET- 26 January
73. Liberty (-49)
198. North Florida (+2)
232. Jacksonville (-5)
285. North Alabama (+3)
291. Lipscomb (+3)
293. NJIT (+3)
302. Stetson (+15)
331. FGCU (-6)
348. Kennesaw St. (+2)

KENPOM- 26 January
70. Liberty (-16)
184. North Florida (-4)
220. Jacksonville (+20)
274. Lipscomb (-)
275. North Alabama (+5)
273. NJIT (-6)
325. FGCU (-11)
303. Stetson (+8)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

AP Poll
03-pissed

Coach’s Poll
03-pissed

NABC Coaches Poll
TBD - Bellarmine is now 15-2 after dropping back to back games.

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See comment above

So Liberty loses twice and drops like a rock in the rankings while the winners barely move up, if at all. Ugh this conference sucks and I can't believe we lost to a sub 300 team.

Reasons why I think Ian is not being real when he say ASUN is a good fit. So not true long term at all.
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(01-30-2020 10:03 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 07:42 PM)army56mike Wrote:  NET- 26 January
73. Liberty (-49)
198. North Florida (+2)
232. Jacksonville (-5)
285. North Alabama (+3)
291. Lipscomb (+3)
293. NJIT (+3)
302. Stetson (+15)
331. FGCU (-6)
348. Kennesaw St. (+2)

KENPOM- 26 January
70. Liberty (-16)
184. North Florida (-4)
220. Jacksonville (+20)
274. Lipscomb (-)
275. North Alabama (+5)
273. NJIT (-6)
325. FGCU (-11)
303. Stetson (+8)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

AP Poll
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Coach’s Poll
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NABC Coaches Poll
TBD - Bellarmine is now 15-2 after dropping back to back games.

D2SIDA
See comment above

So Liberty loses twice and drops like a rock in the rankings while the winners barely move up, if at all. Ugh this conference sucks and I can't believe we lost to a sub 300 team.

I think it says more about Liberty than how bad the conference is.... just sayin
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(01-30-2020 10:40 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 10:03 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Ugh this conference sucks and I can't believe we lost to a sub 300 team.
I think it says more about Liberty than how bad the conference is.... just sayin
04-cheers There is truth in both these statements. Yes, the ASUN sucks now as a conference competitively. It is undeniable. We hope it will get better. But Liberty has no one to blame but themselves for losing to a dreadful team statistically speaking. Maybe LU isn’t as good as the record dictates.
None-the-less, I am pleased with the ASUN membership and it’s university make up.
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(01-30-2020 10:40 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(01-30-2020 10:03 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 07:42 PM)army56mike Wrote:  NET- 26 January
73. Liberty (-49)
198. North Florida (+2)
232. Jacksonville (-5)
285. North Alabama (+3)
291. Lipscomb (+3)
293. NJIT (+3)
302. Stetson (+15)
331. FGCU (-6)
348. Kennesaw St. (+2)

KENPOM- 26 January
70. Liberty (-16)
184. North Florida (-4)
220. Jacksonville (+20)
274. Lipscomb (-)
275. North Alabama (+5)
273. NJIT (-6)
325. FGCU (-11)
303. Stetson (+8)
346. Kennesaw St. (even)

AP Poll
03-pissed

Coach’s Poll
03-pissed

NABC Coaches Poll
TBD - Bellarmine is now 15-2 after dropping back to back games.

D2SIDA
See comment above

So Liberty loses twice and drops like a rock in the rankings while the winners barely move up, if at all. Ugh this conference sucks and I can't believe we lost to a sub 300 team.

I think it says more about Liberty than how bad the conference is.... just sayin

That's fine for you to think that and there's probably some truth to it but when all the ratings systems penalize Liberty more than they help the winners then it's clear the bottom is dragging down the conference more than the top is pulling them up.
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NET- 1 Feb
63. Liberty (+10)
186. North Florida (+12)
252. Jacksonville (-20)
277. North Alabama (+8)
288. Lipscomb (+3)
293. NJIT (-)
300. Stetson (+2)
322. FGCU (+9)
350. Kennesaw St. (-2)

KENPOM- 1 February
61. Liberty (+9)
179. North Florida (+5)
241. Jacksonville (-21)
257. North Alabama (+18)
279. Lipscomb (-5)
284. NJIT (-11)
298. Stetson (+5)
319. FGCU (+6)
351. Kennesaw St. (-5)

NABC Coaches Poll
TBD - #8 Bellarmine is now 16-3 after splitting this week. Expect them to drop more.

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#6 See comment above
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