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Ridder looks bad, but the staff sees what Bryant can do every day in practice. If they liked what they saw, it would have been very easy to announce that Ridder was injured and start Bryant while saving Ridder's pride.

(11-24-2019 04:06 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Ridder looks bad, but the staff sees what Bryant can do every day in practice. If they liked what they saw, it would have been very easy to announce that Ridder was injured and start Bryant while saving Ridder's pride.

This is commonly used as a reason why nobody could do better, but if that was truly the case we wouldn’t have examples of teams succeeded with backups like Tom Brady winning a Super Bowl under the greatest NFL Head Coach ever. Cardale Jones winning a National Championship under one of the greatest college coaches ever, etc... I know those QB’s got their shot due to injury, but the coaches were around them every day and still thought the starter was the best option to win and were wrong.

Fick has been a great coach and done a great job, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t question any of his decisions. I understand we will likely continue to see Ridder, and I’ll be rooting for him to succeed, but I have zero confidence in his passing ability. His poor passing ability gives us an extremely small margin of error against Memphis.

(11-24-2019 08:13 AM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:17 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I think we are down to 2 people still defending the decision to leave Des in there. How many times you gotta see a turd before you call it a turd?

Referring to Ridder as a “turd” is vile and crude. The guy is hurt. If Degura does not drop an easy TD pass we win in walk. If some dummy does not call a rollout when we are first and goal on the six we win in a walk.

Perhaps Ridder should take a week off. Whatever, the kid deserves respect. The kid deserves respect.

Oh whatever. Des Ridder is a fine young man. And I really do like him. However, his play on the field of late has been a real stinker. Sorry but a spade is a spade. And the crux of the comment is- how many times do we gotta see this same performance before we admit what it is? It literally gets worse every week. Will he pass for less than 50 yards this next outing?

He’s hurt. There’s no shame in it. Next week is a great time to sit him because even if we lose we’re still playing for the championship.

(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!

(11-24-2019 06:54 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Look, I'd rather have the offense scoring 35 points a game too but this is not the time of season to put the other guy in just to see what he can do.

You can tinker with other positions but for some reason, you just don't mess with the QB position. It didn't work with Roger Staubach and Craig Morton and it doesn't work now.

Temple switches QB's every game and I've seen other games of theirs where it was a big mistake. It kills whatever continuity your offense has.

Lat night wasn't all on Ridder. Pearce dropped at least two, Deguara dropped a sure fire TD that was put right in there and some other guys made drops too.

So yeah, I hear what everyone is saying and I bet Fickell does too. But it's too late in the season to change things up.

I do think a bit more imagination on the part of the OC is in order as well.

It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

With the cold and wet conditions they felt Ridder was the safer bet in our running game as long as we were not behind. Think we will use the same strategy Friday to start. Get the lead, control the ball running with our defense or special teams hopefully setting up a touchdown or two. I seen Brady White make some silly mistakes maybe a couple against us would be nice early in the contest. It is a balance we can't win a high scoring game with Memphis but we can't wait too long if we fall behind before going with Ben to open up our offense. If Ridder continues to be ineffective this week I see no reason not to start Bryant in the Championship game; hopes for the Cotton Bowl will be gone and we might as well have an audition for next season. If Bryant doesn't see himself in the mix for the future the portal might be an option.

(11-24-2019 04:47 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!

(11-24-2019 06:54 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Look, I'd rather have the offense scoring 35 points a game too but this is not the time of season to put the other guy in just to see what he can do.

You can tinker with other positions but for some reason, you just don't mess with the QB position. It didn't work with Roger Staubach and Craig Morton and it doesn't work now.

Temple switches QB's every game and I've seen other games of theirs where it was a big mistake. It kills whatever continuity your offense has.

Lat night wasn't all on Ridder. Pearce dropped at least two, Deguara dropped a sure fire TD that was put right in there and some other guys made drops too.

So yeah, I hear what everyone is saying and I bet Fickell does too. But it's too late in the season to change things up.

I do think a bit more imagination on the part of the OC is in order as well.

It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

Home now, watching replay. Just saw Degura’s drop. Announcer described pass as “perfectly thrown”. Should we bench Degura? The blame for last night belongs to many.

(11-24-2019 04:51 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  Home now, watching replay. Just saw Degura’s drop. Announcer described pass as “perfectly thrown”. Should we bench Degura? The blame for last night belongs to many.

Yes. However receivers will occasionally drop balls. If you bench them for doing it you're going to run out of players quickly. Give Des credit for the bad Des and Jayshaun drops and he's still got hideous numbers. Back to back games with under 100 yards in an offensive oriented game is unsustainable. Of all position groups that are performing poorly we've tried new guys and different combinations. The QB group is performing worse than any other group and we haven't tried anything different.

I honestly have avoided these discussions because I think the people advocating status quo are trolling. No one could possibly think throwing for 75 yards a game is a sustainable formula for winning the conference or our bowl.

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(11-24-2019 04:47 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!

(11-24-2019 06:54 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Look, I'd rather have the offense scoring 35 points a game too but this is not the time of season to put the other guy in just to see what he can do.

You can tinker with other positions but for some reason, you just don't mess with the QB position. It didn't work with Roger Staubach and Craig Morton and it doesn't work now.

Temple switches QB's every game and I've seen other games of theirs where it was a big mistake. It kills whatever continuity your offense has.

Lat night wasn't all on Ridder. Pearce dropped at least two, Deguara dropped a sure fire TD that was put right in there and some other guys made drops too.

So yeah, I hear what everyone is saying and I bet Fickell does too. But it's too late in the season to change things up.

I do think a bit more imagination on the part of the OC is in order as well.

It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

It is true - the unforced penalties are absolutely inexcusable and have killed countless drives this season. Every time I see a yellow flag I assume it's on Metz.

(11-24-2019 04:47 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

(11-23-2019 09:21 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Lining up in the neutral zone. SMDFH.

In the heat of the moment I didn't cite the player's name [and I don't remember now] but it was noted and called out. The same goes for other players some posters mentioned in the game thread. I think the Board is pretty much an equal opportunity critic whomever the player or coach is. And yes, even during a 10-1 season LOL.

(11-24-2019 04:51 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 04:47 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!

(11-24-2019 06:54 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Look, I'd rather have the offense scoring 35 points a game too but this is not the time of season to put the other guy in just to see what he can do.

You can tinker with other positions but for some reason, you just don't mess with the QB position. It didn't work with Roger Staubach and Craig Morton and it doesn't work now.

Temple switches QB's every game and I've seen other games of theirs where it was a big mistake. It kills whatever continuity your offense has.

Lat night wasn't all on Ridder. Pearce dropped at least two, Deguara dropped a sure fire TD that was put right in there and some other guys made drops too.

So yeah, I hear what everyone is saying and I bet Fickell does too. But it's too late in the season to change things up.

I do think a bit more imagination on the part of the OC is in order as well.

It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

Home now, watching replay. Just saw Degura’s drop. Announcer described pass as “perfectly thrown”. Should we bench Degura? The blame for last night belongs to many.

So you feel that Ridder’s continued and worsening struggles are equivalent to Deguara dropping one pass?

I would say it was probably the best ball Ridder threw all night and should have been caught. It wasn’t perfect, a little behind but if he threw like that most of the time we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Ridder’s struggles are real, numerous, and unfortunately not just physical miscues.

I love what he brings with his legs and his toughness but his decisions and his ability to hit the target are just not good enough right now. If we want to have a chance at a NY6 bowl, the time to act is now (if not 1-2 weeks ago).

(11-24-2019 05:41 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 04:51 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 04:47 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!

(11-24-2019 06:54 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Look, I'd rather have the offense scoring 35 points a game too but this is not the time of season to put the other guy in just to see what he can do.

You can tinker with other positions but for some reason, you just don't mess with the QB position. It didn't work with Roger Staubach and Craig Morton and it doesn't work now.

Temple switches QB's every game and I've seen other games of theirs where it was a big mistake. It kills whatever continuity your offense has.

Lat night wasn't all on Ridder. Pearce dropped at least two, Deguara dropped a sure fire TD that was put right in there and some other guys made drops too.

So yeah, I hear what everyone is saying and I bet Fickell does too. But it's too late in the season to change things up.

I do think a bit more imagination on the part of the OC is in order as well.

It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

Home now, watching replay. Just saw Degura’s drop. Announcer described pass as “perfectly thrown”. Should we bench Degura? The blame for last night belongs to many.

So you feel that Ridder’s continued and worsening struggles are equivalent to Deguara dropping one pass?

I would say it was probably the best ball Ridder threw all night and should have been caught. It wasn’t perfect, a little behind but if he threw like that most of the time we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Ridder’s struggles are real, numerous, and unfortunately not just physical miscues.

I love what he brings with his legs and his toughness but his decisions and his ability to hit the target are just not good enough right now. If we want to have a chance at a NY6 bowl, the time to act is now (if not 1-2 weeks ago).

My point is simple. The blame for last night’s poor performance belongs to many - including the OC.

(11-24-2019 05:33 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 04:47 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!

(11-24-2019 06:54 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Look, I'd rather have the offense scoring 35 points a game too but this is not the time of season to put the other guy in just to see what he can do.

You can tinker with other positions but for some reason, you just don't mess with the QB position. It didn't work with Roger Staubach and Craig Morton and it doesn't work now.

Temple switches QB's every game and I've seen other games of theirs where it was a big mistake. It kills whatever continuity your offense has.

Lat night wasn't all on Ridder. Pearce dropped at least two, Deguara dropped a sure fire TD that was put right in there and some other guys made drops too.

So yeah, I hear what everyone is saying and I bet Fickell does too. But it's too late in the season to change things up.

I do think a bit more imagination on the part of the OC is in order as well.

It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

It is true - the unforced penalties are absolutely inexcusable and have killed countless drives this season. Every time I see a yellow flag I assume it's on Metz.

Frustrating now but like to think that Metz's future potential is to be a great one. Thought the holding call on him in first half when we were deep in Temple's territory was questionable. Looked like player he was blocking bear hugged him to the ground to draw the flag.

(11-24-2019 04:51 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 04:47 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!

(11-24-2019 06:54 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Look, I'd rather have the offense scoring 35 points a game too but this is not the time of season to put the other guy in just to see what he can do.

You can tinker with other positions but for some reason, you just don't mess with the QB position. It didn't work with Roger Staubach and Craig Morton and it doesn't work now.

Temple switches QB's every game and I've seen other games of theirs where it was a big mistake. It kills whatever continuity your offense has.

Lat night wasn't all on Ridder. Pearce dropped at least two, Deguara dropped a sure fire TD that was put right in there and some other guys made drops too.

So yeah, I hear what everyone is saying and I bet Fickell does too. But it's too late in the season to change things up.

I do think a bit more imagination on the part of the OC is in order as well.

It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

Home now, watching replay. Just saw Degura’s drop. Announcer described pass as “perfectly thrown”. Should we bench Degura? The blame for last night belongs to many.

If he was below average overall, then got hurt, and could no longer catch, I would say yes.

(11-24-2019 05:48 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 05:33 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 04:47 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!

(11-24-2019 06:54 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Look, I'd rather have the offense scoring 35 points a game too but this is not the time of season to put the other guy in just to see what he can do.

You can tinker with other positions but for some reason, you just don't mess with the QB position. It didn't work with Roger Staubach and Craig Morton and it doesn't work now.

Temple switches QB's every game and I've seen other games of theirs where it was a big mistake. It kills whatever continuity your offense has.

Lat night wasn't all on Ridder. Pearce dropped at least two, Deguara dropped a sure fire TD that was put right in there and some other guys made drops too.

So yeah, I hear what everyone is saying and I bet Fickell does too. But it's too late in the season to change things up.

I do think a bit more imagination on the part of the OC is in order as well.

It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

It is true - the unforced penalties are absolutely inexcusable and have killed countless drives this season. Every time I see a yellow flag I assume it's on Metz.

Frustrating now but like to think that Metz's future potential is to be a great one. Thought the holding call on him in first half when we were deep in Temple's territory was questionable. Looked like player he was blocking bear hugged him to the ground to draw the flag.

Metz will play in the NFL. His junior and senior seasons will be poetry.

(11-24-2019 04:51 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 04:47 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!

(11-24-2019 06:54 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Look, I'd rather have the offense scoring 35 points a game too but this is not the time of season to put the other guy in just to see what he can do.

You can tinker with other positions but for some reason, you just don't mess with the QB position. It didn't work with Roger Staubach and Craig Morton and it doesn't work now.

Temple switches QB's every game and I've seen other games of theirs where it was a big mistake. It kills whatever continuity your offense has.

Lat night wasn't all on Ridder. Pearce dropped at least two, Deguara dropped a sure fire TD that was put right in there and some other guys made drops too.

So yeah, I hear what everyone is saying and I bet Fickell does too. But it's too late in the season to change things up.

I do think a bit more imagination on the part of the OC is in order as well.

It should also be noted guys not named Ridder gave Temple a huge amount of penalty yards. Anyone who lines up offsides is not mentally in the game - or called out on message boards.

Home now, watching replay. Just saw Degura’s drop. Announcer described pass as “perfectly thrown”. Should we bench Degura? The blame for last night belongs to many.

If Deguara has a hand injury that prevented him from making the catch? You betcha. If Deguara has a hamstring injury that prevented him from running a route? You betcha. Hell, if Deguara has an issue that just means that he fails repeatedly to catch a "perfectly thrown pass"...no matter how "nice" a "guy" he is? YES.

Feel better? You bring up ONE play. If Deguara or anyone else is unable to compete on the FB field...because of injury or inability...they shouldn't be out there.

Rewatching game....
Temple last TD should have been reviewed. Ball was still moving when right foot stepped on the white.

Wind was clearly swirling with some occasional gusts. Watching all kick offs, FGs, and punts really change direction. Could have been a reason for so many dropped passes.

(11-24-2019 07:22 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Rewatching game....
Temple last TD should have been reviewed. Ball was still moving when right foot stepped on the white.

Agree. The announcers were even shocked the play wasn't reviewed. It may not have been overruled but the fact it wasn't given the auto review is another reason the officiating in the AAC has been NCAA worst.