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“Ridder is average at best”

Balderdash. Balderdash.

(11-17-2019 09:11 PM)Sweetness Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:02 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:51 PM)Sweetness Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:43 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:37 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  It’s not my eye test and you don’t have facts on your side.

Look at how many games are won with a QB that throws for 36 yards with 1:30 seconds left and let me know how often that QB wins in 2019. Even if he does win, it likely isn’t because of him since he accounted for such few yards and is almost always because of the defense, running game, Special Teams, or all 3.

Winning despite a QB’s horrible performance isn’t a good reason to keep playing him over another QB. Again, it has nothing to do with eye tests, how we look, etc... it comes from the fact that you can’t consistently win against top level competition with 78 yards from your QB. Maybe Ridder plays better, but if he doesn’t we will not beat teams like Memphis, or whoever we face in a bowl game and if by some miracle we do, it will be because of a Herculean effort from our defense, not because Ridder was so good he contributed 78 yards.

Do you hear yourself?

It's not wrong. Same reason why good teams replace mediocre QBs when they're the weakest part of the team. Go back and see my previous post aboveregarding the team stats.

Are you a MLB manager?

Stats schmats. You don't take a guy out in a no hitter. I don't care how hard the other team's hitting him. If your fielders are catching the ball, leave him in.

Yea. For one game when he's pitching good. When he has 4.5 era and has given up 4 runs by the 3rd inning you don't run him out until the 9th because you've scored 5.

Next.

Oh man. Up against the smartest guy in the room.

(11-18-2019 06:09 AM)Bcatbog Wrote:  “Ridder is average at best”

Balderdash. Balderdash.

His numbers suggest he's a below average starter so you may be right but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. UC isn't winning because of ridder. Against USF they won in spite of him. His lack of development this year has been a disappointment in an otherwise great season.

First indication of an injury was during the UCF game. Throwing wrist, at least two or three times. Since that game, his accuracy and timing has been off. I believe as with each game, it has gotten worse. It makes sense now with the play calling as well, attempts have gone way down and more zone reads and direct QB runs being called. During the USF game, it became very clear that there is a wrist/grip issue - the fumble he gave up just before half just looked strange. When zoomed in and slow motion, it looked like he just dropped the ball from zero contact and winced in pain. With Pike speculating a shoulder injury as well, I cannot fathom that this staff would not have Bryant ready to go this week if needed.

I'd like to see Bryant get a look, just to see what he can do and maybe challenge Ridder for the starting spot this off season. The growth of Ridder between his Fr. and Soph seasons has not been encouraging. Prater is not going to unseat either of them as the starter. It's going to take him a couple years.

(11-17-2019 08:52 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  We're 22 starts in, we know what we've got. He finished 74th in QBR last year and he's 73rd this year. This includes his running. He's below average but maybe that's the best we've got on the roster. But it's sure not good enough to allow him to play through an injury like he did Saturday.

Ding Ding Ding, CLF knows what he has. Maybe CLF thinks an injured Ridder is better than a healthy Bryant. Game over for Bryant then if that's the case.

That said, it will be interesting to see if Bryant is getting more rep's at practice this week. If he doesn't, then CLF will live and die with an (injured) Ridder.

(11-18-2019 08:46 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:11 PM)Sweetness Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 09:02 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:51 PM)Sweetness Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:43 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Do you hear yourself?

It's not wrong. Same reason why good teams replace mediocre QBs when they're the weakest part of the team. Go back and see my previous post aboveregarding the team stats.

Are you a MLB manager?

Stats schmats. You don't take a guy out in a no hitter. I don't care how hard the other team's hitting him. If your fielders are catching the ball, leave him in.

Yea. For one game when he's pitching good. When he has 4.5 era and has given up 4 runs by the 3rd inning you don't run him out until the 9th because you've scored 5.

Next.

Oh man. Up against the smartest guy in the room.

I'm certainly not the smartest but your attempts at defending your position have just been that bad.

(11-18-2019 06:09 AM)Bcatbog Wrote:  “Ridder is average at best”

Balderdash. Balderdash.

He's objectively average, but has good intangibles.

(11-18-2019 09:56 AM)FLIP Wrote:  First indication of an injury was during the UCF game. Throwing wrist, at least two or three times. Since that game, his accuracy and timing has been off. I believe as with each game, it has gotten worse. It makes sense now with the play calling as well, attempts have gone way down and more zone reads and direct QB runs being called. During the USF game, it became very clear that there is a wrist/grip issue - the fumble he gave up just before half just looked strange. When zoomed in and slow motion, it looked like he just dropped the ball from zero contact and winced in pain. With Pike speculating a shoulder injury as well, I cannot fathom that this staff would not have Bryant ready to go this week if needed.

Not saying you're wrong but I just don't see it. He's looked like more or less the same guy to me ever since he took over except he was visably worse after the injury Saturday. If we don't change QBs I don't think the conversations will be dramatically different around here in 2 years when he's started over 40 games.

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(11-18-2019 10:44 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 09:56 AM)FLIP Wrote:  First indication of an injury was during the UCF game. Throwing wrist, at least two or three times. Since that game, his accuracy and timing has been off. I believe as with each game, it has gotten worse. It makes sense now with the play calling as well, attempts have gone way down and more zone reads and direct QB runs being called. During the USF game, it became very clear that there is a wrist/grip issue - the fumble he gave up just before half just looked strange. When zoomed in and slow motion, it looked like he just dropped the ball from zero contact and winced in pain. With Pike speculating a shoulder injury as well, I cannot fathom that this staff would not have Bryant ready to go this week if needed.

Not saying you're wrong but I just don't see it. He's looked like more or less the same guy to me ever since he took over except he was visably worse after the injury Saturday. If we don't change QBs I don't think the conversations will be dramatically different around here in 2 years when he's started over 40 games.

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Bolded, agreed. As I've gotten (lots) older, I never cease to be amazed at the recuperative powers of 20 year olds. Maybe the shoulder will be considerably better by Saturday night.

If not, we likely won't hear a word from this staff about it. If Bryant takes the first snap we'll have our answer as to the seriousness of Ridder's condition.

Whether Ridder is limited by injury or just isn’t an accurate passer is immaterial at this point. Denbrock and Fickell need to game plan around the fact that we can’t rely on accurate throws as often as we’d like. Ridder remains a huge threat with the read option and it seems nobody stops us consistently when we run it. I’d do that 2 out of 3 plays and go from there. Ridder tends to make good decisions there (although he had a gaffe or two the other night) and when he gets it in the open field he is tough to bring down with one man. Play to your strengths!

I don't like the "tough through it" stuff. If the guy's hurt, that's why he has a backup. We need to be able to throw the football. Maybe that isn't our primary offensive focus, but we need to be able to keep the defense honest. We need to be able to throw in some play action or a sideline screen to keep them from crowding the line.

If he can't throw, sit out a week and be ready for Memphis.

Stating the obvious, but Temple has seen the USF game. They will be geared up to stop the run and the read option. There will be every opportunity to throw the ball Saturday, because I'm guessing the box will be loaded up. If we can't get it done through the air at least enough to keep them honest, I'm afraid it's going to be a long day.

Ridder is tough as heck and a gamer, but he really needs to improve as a passer. If it wasn't for the run game we would have few more loses. I would like to see Bryant get a few series a game and then let them compete in the summer for the starting spot. Also the play calling needs to be better.

(11-18-2019 06:09 AM)Bcatbog Wrote:  “Ridder is average at best”

Balderdash. Balderdash.

Ridder is a below average starting college QB based on his statistical numbers. Obviously, he’s normally better than what we saw on Saturday, but his statistics still show he is a below average QB.

I know a lot of people on here point to his record as a starting QB, but that is more a result of our defense and run game, than Ridder’s ability to play QB.

Compounding the problem right now is that he is playing through an injury. At some point the coaches can’t keep him in under those circumstances. It’s not fair to Ridder, Bryant, their teammates, or even the coaching staff.

(11-18-2019 12:36 AM)colohank Wrote:  I'm sure Coach Fickell will be reaching out to all of you experts at his earliest opportunity. It's painfully obvious that his knowledge of the game and of his team's strengths and weaknesses doesn't measure up to ours.

Mods - please create another board for the Ben Bryant fan club. Maybe just call it Backup Banter. Because Sopko's roommate keeps pushing for him to get some reps it will give him a safe space. Then they can maybe start a fan magazine with full color pics of Bryant holding a clipboard.
And of course espouse on flat earth theories, unicorn populations, and of course meaningless stats that have ZERO bearing on winning vs losing sporting events.

(11-18-2019 03:11 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 12:36 AM)colohank Wrote:  I'm sure Coach Fickell will be reaching out to all of you experts at his earliest opportunity. It's painfully obvious that his knowledge of the game and of his team's strengths and weaknesses doesn't measure up to ours.

Mods - please create another board for the Ben Bryant fan club. Maybe just call it Backup Banter. Because Sopko's roommate keeps pushing for him to get some reps it will give him a safe space. Then they can maybe start a fan magazine with full color pics of Bryant holding a clipboard.
And of course espouse on flat earth theories, unicorn populations, and of course meaningless stats that have ZERO bearing on winning vs losing sporting events.

Reminds me of the old saw about the most popular player on a losing team being the backup quarterback.

(11-18-2019 02:23 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 06:09 AM)Bcatbog Wrote:  “Ridder is average at best”

Balderdash. Balderdash.

Ridder is a below average starting college QB based on his statistical numbers. Obviously, he’s normally better than what we saw on Saturday, but his statistics still show he is a below average QB.

I know a lot of people on here point to his record as a starting QB, but that is more a result of our defense and run game, than Ridder’s ability to play QB.

Compounding the problem right now is that he is playing through an injury. At some point the coaches can’t keep him in under those circumstances. It’s not fair to Ridder, Bryant, their teammates, or even the coaching staff.

This "below average QB" is 20-3 as a starter at UC.

Look, I know a lot of you loved Gunner Kiel (but hated Tubs). Kid put up some video game numbers at QB-- but he was not a winner or a leader on the team. Des is both.

I figure if an injured Ridder is better than Ben Bryant, then we really screwed up when we recruited Ben Bryant.

(11-18-2019 11:34 AM)bearcatjim Wrote:  Whether Ridder is limited by injury or just isn’t an accurate passer is immaterial at this point. Denbrock and Fickell need to game plan around the fact that we can’t rely on accurate throws as often as we’d like. Ridder remains a huge threat with the read option and it seems nobody stops us consistently when we run it. I’d do that 2 out of 3 plays and go from there. Ridder tends to make good decisions there (although he had a gaffe or two the other night) and when he gets it in the open field he is tough to bring down with one man. Play to your strengths!

Agree with this. If Ridder is the man, tailor the offense to suit his strengths. Run the ball, run the read option, let Des throw on the move, throw to TEs/RBs, etc. Need to maximize what we are good at. At little creativity would also be welcome.