These coaches do not have a clue.. the only improvement I’ve seen is our pass coverage. I like they for the most part are looking for the ball. How can you not use the sidelines to stop the clock with 45 seconds left .

PLEASE GET RID OF THESE COACHES

(11-14-2019 12:28 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I feel like me taking my shirt off willed the defense from down 21... Sadly a PI and bad time management fudged us in the end. I'm not sure what I think about this team. Koback was benched... That's what you get when you can't hold on to the dang ball! We still have a great stable of backs so run it more than not! The long pass evolved as the game went on..damn Mitchel ain't bad!

Still..I'm sad. And cold.

I didn’t think the interference should have been called. That pass was uncatchable

Is it me or have we been burned way too many times by the QB keep? Ball St and last night! Especially last night...the guy comes into the game and burns us for a 45 yard TD on the WILDCAT formation. He was certainly not going to pass the dam ball. He did it twice...no "spy" on him and the last time he slides after 20 yards on their winning drive! This is a very sad state for Rocket FB! Another year of great potential and this staff puts it in the dumpster! Not acceptable!!

(11-14-2019 11:52 AM)rocket 51 Wrote:  Is it me or have we been burned way too many times by the QB keep? Ball St and last night! Especially last night...the guy comes into the game and burns us for a 45 yard TD on the WILDCAT formation. He was certainly not going to pass the dam ball. He did it twice...no "spy" on him and the last time he slides after 20 yards on their winning drive! This is a very sad state for Rocket FB! Another year of great potential and this staff puts it in the dumpster! Not acceptable!!

The DE is supposed to have the QB on read option. Watch the plays again. The DE just straight crashes in towards the running back and never even looks at the QB, like he doesn't think the QB might keep the football. It's as if we do not practice the d-line assignments to defend read option.

(11-14-2019 11:56 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:52 AM)rocket 51 Wrote:  Is it me or have we been burned way too many times by the QB keep? Ball St and last night! Especially last night...the guy comes into the game and burns us for a 45 yard TD on the WILDCAT formation. He was certainly not going to pass the dam ball. He did it twice...no "spy" on him and the last time he slides after 20 yards on their winning drive! This is a very sad state for Rocket FB! Another year of great potential and this staff puts it in the dumpster! Not acceptable!!

The DE is supposed to have the QB on read option. Watch the plays again. The DE just straight crashes in towards the running back and never even looks at the QB, like he doesn't think the QB might keep the football. It's as if we do not practice the d-line assignments to defend read option.

That QB run by Childers late in the game to set up the field goal was the one that really set me off...how can you not have some awareness of what is likely to come?

(11-14-2019 12:01 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:56 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:52 AM)rocket 51 Wrote:  Is it me or have we been burned way too many times by the QB keep? Ball St and last night! Especially last night...the guy comes into the game and burns us for a 45 yard TD on the WILDCAT formation. He was certainly not going to pass the dam ball. He did it twice...no "spy" on him and the last time he slides after 20 yards on their winning drive! This is a very sad state for Rocket FB! Another year of great potential and this staff puts it in the dumpster! Not acceptable!!

The DE is supposed to have the QB on read option. Watch the plays again. The DE just straight crashes in towards the running back and never even looks at the QB, like he doesn't think the QB might keep the football. It's as if we do not practice the d-line assignments to defend read option.

That QB run by Childers late in the game to set up the field goal was the one that really set me off...how can you not have some awareness of what is likely to come?

I know. As soon as Childers came in I said out loud, he's going to keep on the read option and probably go for a TD. When the play happened my wife just looked at me and laughed.

(11-13-2019 09:34 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Being embarrassed by another bad MAC team.

The first half wasn't being embarrassed by a bad MAC team, it was being embarrassed by a freaking terrible MAC team. Then we remembered we suck and almost handed you the game anyway.

I knew with 5 min to go and tied. They would milk the clock and win. We had no defensive answer. The PI call was very weak on a pass that was overthrown.

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(11-13-2019 11:33 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 11:29 PM)TampaRocket Wrote:  That loss is on Candle...horrible clock management...team isn’t prepared or disciplined.

...and he couldn’t care less. He gets his $1 million.

Honestly, if the University has the balls to do it, I think they could financially survive canning Candle. We could recoup his ridiculous buy-out by not paying the next guy the million dollars; hell, we’ve just been beaten by 3 MAC coaches who make half what Candle does. Bite the bullet and do the right thing, O’Brien—the Candle experiment has failed.

wait, your coach is getting 1M/year or over the contract. either is bad considering his ability, but if he's getting 1M/year your AD should be flogged.

(11-13-2019 10:27 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:25 PM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:24 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  This is another thing......every time things start going wrong in the game this team just folds. They pack it in. Again, that's coaching.

Exactly...they freaking quit. You can see it in their body language. Put kids in that want to freaking play. They can’t do any worse.

Yeah — lots of folks keep saying there is talent but I just don’t see a lot of it. No dynamic play makers on offense. Defense looks lost constantly.

When I start to question our talent level, I just go to the thread of our former players currently in the NFL.

(11-14-2019 12:15 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 11:33 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 11:29 PM)TampaRocket Wrote:  That loss is on Candle...horrible clock management...team isn’t prepared or disciplined.

...and he couldn’t care less. He gets his $1 million.

Honestly, if the University has the balls to do it, I think they could financially survive canning Candle. We could recoup his ridiculous buy-out by not paying the next guy the million dollars; hell, we’ve just been beaten by 3 MAC coaches who make half what Candle does. Bite the bullet and do the right thing, O’Brien—the Candle experiment has failed.

wait, your coach is getting 1M/year or over the contract. either is bad considering his ability, but if he's getting 1M/year your AD should be flogged.

per year...… thru 2023

(11-14-2019 10:15 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:27 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:25 PM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:24 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  This is another thing......every time things start going wrong in the game this team just folds. They pack it in. Again, that's coaching.

Exactly...they freaking quit. You can see it in their body language. Put kids in that want to freaking play. They can’t do any worse.

Yeah — lots of folks keep saying there is talent but I just don’t see a lot of it. No dynamic play makers on offense. Defense looks lost constantly.

When I start to question our talent level, I just go to the thread of our former players currently in the NFL.

Yea if UT really had more quality talent, including depth and year after year, and with top rankings of HS recruitment classes, that should be a much longer list......the fact that its not actually reflects the talent coming to UT is not as good as one would think and results reflect that.

(11-15-2019 01:33 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:15 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:27 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:25 PM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:24 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  This is another thing......every time things start going wrong in the game this team just folds. They pack it in. Again, that's coaching.

Exactly...they freaking quit. You can see it in their body language. Put kids in that want to freaking play. They can’t do any worse.

Yeah — lots of folks keep saying there is talent but I just don’t see a lot of it. No dynamic play makers on offense. Defense looks lost constantly.

When I start to question our talent level, I just go to the thread of our former players currently in the NFL.

Yea if UT really had more quality talent, including depth and year after year, and with top rankings of HS recruitment classes, that should be a much longer list......the fact that its not actually reflects the talent coming to UT is not as good as one would think and results reflect that.

So you think our coaches are awesome but the talent level of our players is lacking. Gatcha. There are 66 colleges with more players in the NFL and that puts us about in the middle. Add in the FCS schools and that puts us in with the top 25%

Never said coaches were awesome, just pointing out I am not so sure that the number of UT players in the NFL is really reflective of the depth of quality players playing at UT year to year. Coaches are clearly a huge problem and issue needing to be addressed, but I am not going to let the players off the hook or assume that UT has a large number of high quality players from starters to bench year after year.

My guess is Toledo gets slightly better talent than most MAC teams in the typical year, enough to keep Toledo from being a terrible team even in their bad years, with even somewhat competent coaching. So they have a high floor. They usually have a good QB (barring injuries), a good O-line and good WRs. Defense not as much, and I don't know why. Maybe you just don't get good defensive coaches? MAC teams in general struggle with defense almost every year. But there's a big difference between above average talent and NFL talent, which is much more hit-or-miss.

(11-15-2019 01:33 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:15 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:27 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:25 PM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:24 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  This is another thing......every time things start going wrong in the game this team just folds. They pack it in. Again, that's coaching.

Exactly...they freaking quit. You can see it in their body language. Put kids in that want to freaking play. They can’t do any worse.

Yeah — lots of folks keep saying there is talent but I just don’t see a lot of it. No dynamic play makers on offense. Defense looks lost constantly.

When I start to question our talent level, I just go to the thread of our former players currently in the NFL.

Yea if UT really had more quality talent, including depth and year after year, and with top rankings of HS recruitment classes, that should be a much longer list......the fact that its not actually reflects the talent coming to UT is not as good as one would think and results reflect that.

I've got to disagree. The coaches are not developing the talent. I've been involved in youth and high school coaching for years. It's amazing how much different a player looks and plays based on the coaching he is receiving. I've seen teams go winless one year and the next year a new staff comes in and the team, with the same players, go 8-2....and vice versa.

Sometimes it is hard to realize how much influence a coach staff has on a player. If the staff conducts practices in too quiet and too calm of a manner, the players get to games and come out flat, uninspired and tentative. If a staff conducts practices with high energy, the players get to games with a lot of energy and excitement and look like totally different players.

It's the same thing with what is practiced. If players are not practicing fundamentals and coaches demanding correct technique, they get relaxed in their fundamentals and technique and start looking like our defense has been looking. If they practice the fundamentals and keep doing the reps until their technique is great, it becomes automatic in the game.

(11-15-2019 04:42 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  My guess is Toledo gets slightly better talent than most MAC teams in the typical year, enough to keep Toledo from being a terrible team even in their bad years, with even somewhat competent coaching. So they have a high floor. They usually have a good QB (barring injuries), a good O-line and good WRs. Defense not as much, and I don't know why. Maybe you just don't get good defensive coaches? MAC teams in general struggle with defense almost every year. But there's a big difference between above average talent and NFL talent, which is much more hit-or-miss.

Last year some of our posters continually referred to our receiving corps as the best that we've ever had and I just didn't see it because of the mistakes. Those receivers are now in the NFL. My point is that we may not look like the most talented team but we certainly have had good enough players to be in more than one MACC in the last 10 years. The same team that was good enough to go 3-1 in our non-conference is now losing to teams that are having down-seasons in a weak year for the MAC. It's frustrating and I don't think it's because our players aren't good enough to win.