(11-14-2019 11:22 AM)griffin Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:21 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  I'm willing to bet the deal has been struck. NCAA saves face.

He voluntarily sits now until the NCAA issues it's "punishment".

Or the next couple of games, if that's not enough he refiles.

NCAA?

We blinked.

This.

Had the NCAA by the short and curlies and decided to go with the status quo.

(11-14-2019 12:24 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:16 PM)kabluey Wrote:  No one will be able to prove which side surrendered or gave up more than the other.

But you can make a good guess from the number of games. Standard would have been 9 or 10.

Determining winners and losers will be an irrelevant exercise in circular logic. Everyone's bias will dictate their answer, and therefore their arguments in support of it.

You can quantify the past cases with the NCAA if someone wanted to so, based on this you could have a representation of what the probable outcome would have been.

(11-14-2019 12:26 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:24 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:16 PM)kabluey Wrote:  No one will be able to prove which side surrendered or gave up more than the other.

But you can make a good guess from the number of games. Standard would have been 9 or 10.

Determining winners and losers will be an irrelevant exercise in circular logic. Everyone's bias will dictate their answer, and therefore their arguments in support of it.

You can quantify the past cases with the NCAA if someone wanted to so, based on this you could have a representation of what the probable outcome would have been.

We were in new territory with Wiseman's lawsuit, not to mention Tennessee State Government was ready to jump in and kick NCAA buttox

...I don't think anyone can quantify that without divulging his/her bias.

Plus, it's doubtful the NCAA wanted to see where this would have/could have gone. They are a highly corrupt organization...Corrupt folks do not like anyone pealing back the layers of their stinky onion.

(11-14-2019 12:33 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:26 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:24 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:16 PM)kabluey Wrote:  No one will be able to prove which side surrendered or gave up more than the other.

But you can make a good guess from the number of games. Standard would have been 9 or 10.

Determining winners and losers will be an irrelevant exercise in circular logic. Everyone's bias will dictate their answer, and therefore their arguments in support of it.

You can quantify the past cases with the NCAA if someone wanted to so, based on this you could have a representation of what the probable outcome would have been.

We were in new territory with Wiseman's lawsuit, not to mention Tennessee State Government was ready to jump in and kick NCAA buttox

...I don't think anyone can quantify that without divulging his/her bias.

Plus, it's doubtful the NCAA wanted to see where this would have/could have gone. They are a highly corrupt organization...Corrupt folks do not like anyone pealing back the layers of their stinky onion.

^^This^^

(11-14-2019 12:25 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Of course ESPN presents it like this, "James Wiseman has been ruled ineligible".

This is not a grand conspiracy. This is what it is at the moment. ESPN isn't going to post the rumors. They're posting the situation as it is now and that's all that's officially being reported now.

(11-14-2019 12:40 PM)TNTigers Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:25 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Of course ESPN presents it like this, "James Wiseman has been ruled ineligible".

This is not a grand conspiracy. This is what it is at the moment. ESPN isn't going to post the rumors. They're posting the situation as it is now and that's all that's officially being reported now.

Well, Bilas just broke it down correctly, just saying the graphic is a bit misleading and anyone not hearing details will just assume he's gone. Wasn't suggesting there was a grand conspiracy even though Epstein didn't kill himself.

Edit: I could have included that statement in my original response.

Ultimately Wiseman and Memphis is the winner in all of this. Regardless of what the final settlement is, it will be far far less than what it would have been if Memphis had rolled over and Wiseman didn’t fight back. The NCAA could had ruled him ineligible indefinitely and he would never play another game again or their punishment would have been somewhere within the 13 games range which would have devastating effects. The NCAA will get to save face and claim some sort of Pyrrhic victory but knowing how they typically treat the Memphis program and other non power 5 schools, the bully in this case is the one that stepped back

Seth Greenberg just brought up a separate issue of compliance as regards the school and Penny. Ugh.

(11-14-2019 12:24 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:19 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:16 PM)kabluey Wrote:  No one will be able to prove which side surrendered or gave up more than the other.

But you can make a good guess from the number of games. Standard would have been 9 or 10.

Determining winners and losers will be an irrelevant exercise in circular logic. Everyone's bias will dictate their answer, and therefore their arguments in support of it.

Well, that's true. I should have said a reasonable guess, lol.

And I have said 3 to 6, or in that neighborhood, all along.

Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

(11-14-2019 12:52 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

Why? We did play what was ultimately ruled to be an ineligible player. We were informed before the first game and we played him anyway. This was always the most likely outcome.

(11-14-2019 12:25 PM)memphodude Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:22 AM)griffin Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:21 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  I'm willing to bet the deal has been struck. NCAA saves face.

He voluntarily sits now until the NCAA issues it's "punishment".

Or the next couple of games, if that's not enough he refiles.

NCAA?

We blinked.

This.

Had the NCAA by the short and curlies and decided to go with the status quo.

Luckily, nobody with even a tiny shred of common sense will agree with you.

First, if it goes to court, somebody; maybe everybody will have to pay. It will either be the law firm who will absorb the costs, or Wiseman through future earnings are going to be on the hook for hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars of billable hours, court fees and associated fees.

Second, if it takes a long time to settle, that will have over us for the entire season.

Third, the penalties could end up being multiple post season bans, and/or sanctions

Fourth, the risk reward, assuming that the sanction will be 4 games, versus all of the bad that can happen, including the costs involved and the sanctions, is clearly not worth it.

Five, when we get 2-4 games, nobody in their right mind will view us as anything but a massive winner. We took on the NCAA and destroyed them.

(11-14-2019 12:52 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

That’s dumb and I’m surprise since Jason and John seemed like that only fair and common sense hosts during this whole saga on the air

(11-14-2019 12:53 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:52 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

Why? We did play what was ultimately ruled to be an ineligible player. We were informed before the first game and we played him anyway. This was always the most likely outcome.

They went to court prior to the second game against UIC and got the temporary ruling which allowed him to play.

(11-14-2019 12:52 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

There is ZERO chance this will happen. The courts forced the school to play him, we didn't have a choice. The NCAA can't punish us for stuff that has already happened. There is also ZERO chance the legal team will accept this.

(11-14-2019 12:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:52 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

There is ZERO chance this will happen. The courts forced the school to play him, we didn't have a choice. The NCAA can't punish us for stuff that has already happened. There is also ZERO chance the legal team will accept this.

That’s what I was thinking too. Thanks. I agree.

(11-14-2019 12:56 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:53 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:52 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

Why? We did play what was ultimately ruled to be an ineligible player. We were informed before the first game and we played him anyway. This was always the most likely outcome.

They went to court prior to the second game against UIC and got the temporary ruling which allowed him to play.

Ohio State didn't have to vacate any of their eight wins before Chase Young was ruled ineligible and suspended two games, right? Why would we?

(11-14-2019 12:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:52 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

There is ZERO chance this will happen. The courts forced the school to play him, we didn't have a choice. The NCAA can't punish us for stuff that has already happened. There is also ZERO chance the legal team will accept this.

Actually there is zero chance those games will count. One of the key levers the NCAA has is applying ineligibility retroactively. If they can't do that then they basically lose their authority since they obviously dont have the staff for proactive investigations.

(11-14-2019 12:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:52 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

There is ZERO chance this will happen. The courts forced the school to play him, we didn't have a choice. The NCAA can't punish us for stuff that has already happened. There is also ZERO chance the legal team will accept this.

Someone needs to send them a text saying just that.

(11-14-2019 12:59 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:52 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Jason and John and Mark G. are saying they think we will have to forfeit our two wins plus three to four game suspension. I disagree with this.

There is ZERO chance this will happen. The courts forced the school to play him, we didn't have a choice. The NCAA can't punish us for stuff that has already happened. There is also ZERO chance the legal team will accept this.

Actually there is zero chance those games will count. One of the key levers the NCAA has is applying ineligibility retroactively. If they can't do that then they basically lose their authority since they obviously dont have the staff for proactive investigations.

If they do vacate them they should also count towards the game suspension.