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RE: What boosters can't do....
(11-13-2019 08:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  this is from the ASU site giving rules to boosters...

Provide transportation to a prospect or student-athlete or loan an automobile to a student-athlete host for a prospect’s use during an official paid visit.
Provide or cosign for a loan.
Allow the use of a telephone or other personal property (e.g., boat, home, car, computer, iPad).
Give cash or allow the use of a credit card.
Provide free or reduced cost entertainment, services, or products.
Provide free or reduced cost lodging.
Provide academic assistance.
Give a gift of any kind for any reason, including birthdays and holidays.
Purchase items or services from prospects, student-athletes, or their relatives at inflated prices.

Engage in any recruiting activities.
Host a meal for a prospect.
Contact a prospect through social media.
Arrange for or finance a prospect’s unofficial visit to ASU.

https://sundevilcompliance.asu.edu/fans-...%80%99t-do


Some of that is crazy..

Everytime someone shares/likes/retweets/replies/etc to a recruit on social media, you are effectively making that kid inelible.

If a kid comes up to you at the Wolfchase and says "Excuse me sir, could I borrow your phone to call my mother to ask her to come pick us up? My phone died."

you better say no... he might be a future recruit.

Why would you go to the ASU website? Schools follow basically the same rules but sometimes add to them. They are sometimes outdated as in the case of someone linking to a bylaw on a website that no longer exists i.e. they don't always update their sites.

Here's the NCAA's version:

As a booster, you may not:
  • Contact a prospect in-person on-campus or off campus.
  • Contact a prospect by telephone, email, Internet or letter.
  • Provide gifts or free or reduced-cost services to a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian.
  • Employ relatives, guardians or friends of a prospect as an inducement for the prospect’s enrollment and athletics participation at a university.
  • Become directly or indirectly involved in making arrangements for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to receive money or financial aid of any kind.
  • Provide transportation for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian.
  • Provide free or reduced-cost tickets for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to attend an athletic event.
  • Provide any material benefit (e.g., meals, cash) to the coach of a prospect, including high school, two-year college, AAU and summer team coaches.
11-14-2019 09:18 AM
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RE: What boosters can't do....
It was against the rules.

Not sure how it can be honestly argued that it wasnt.

Penny's intent doesn't matter.

There are other arguments to be made though
11-14-2019 09:29 AM
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(11-14-2019 01:55 AM)Steve davis Wrote:  So a one time donation to the university is a booster? Giving 11,500 dollars to a family to move to Memphis when he isn’t a coach to the university? Can anyone predict the future? Oh wait, I guess the NCAA is the only one that saw the future of all of the events that was coming, right? Their crystal ball predicted that Penny would be the head coach, and gave the family a little chunk change, to move, and Wiseman would commit to Memphis. Who knows, maybe someday I’ll run into one of your sons/daughters and give them 10 dollars, then become the head coach at Memphis, and then recruit yours. I guess it will reported across the nation after I did that. I wonder what the NCAA would to to me, or your child for 10 dollars?????

One could add that when Tubby told everyone about the importance of "Obedience" a few years back, he was actually referring to Memphis' future players and coaches requirement to conform to NCAA rules on recruiting even though they weren't actually coaching or being recruited at the time. 03-lmfao 04-cheers
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(11-14-2019 09:04 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 08:38 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  a better analogy would be the governor and the head of the state police sent you a letter allowing you to speedup to 10 mph over the speed limit in certain circumstances and Barney Fife pulling you over for for going 62 in a 55 then the governor and state police siding with deputy - signing on to take away your license.

Nail meet hammer

No, $ 11,500 is worth having your eligibility removed from playing college basketball.
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I saw this on my Facebook feed (via Twitter)... Kind of funny.

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RE: What boosters can't do....
So based on the info in post 1, everything the Tuohy's did for Oher, which started prior to adoption process, violated several of those rules.
  • Allow the use of a telephone or other personal property (e.g., boat, home, car, computer, iPad).
  • Provide free or reduced cost entertainment, services, or products.
  • Provide free or reduced cost lodging.
  • Provide academic assistance.
  • Give a gift of any kind for any reason, including birthdays and holidays.

How did the NCAA rule on those violations?

And why did they issue that ruling?
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I donate to TSF, thus I am a booster. In the past, I have had high school athletes stop by my tailgate at football games. Per NCAA rules, I'm unable to give them a hot dog without violating the rules.

Stupid rule? You bet.
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(11-14-2019 11:27 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I donate to TSF, thus I am a booster. In the past, I have had high school athletes stop by my tailgate at football games. Per NCAA rules, I'm unable to give them a hot dog without violating the rules.

Stupid rule? You bet.

You need to come clean and beg for forgiveness at the feet of the mighty NCAA lol.
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(11-13-2019 11:35 PM)John44932 Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 08:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 08:36 PM)John44932 Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 08:34 PM)griffin Wrote:  $ 11,500 is akin to 110 on the express way.

For moving expenses? More like going 5 under the limit.

Yeah, seems the down payment on the new house was part of the expense.

I used to work in the relocation industry. $11k is a very average amount.

When we listed our Fayette County house for sale back in 2016 we boxed up a lot of stuff so we could take pictures and show the house.

I hired 2 Men and a Truck to load boxes in the truck, drive less than 6 miles to the storage unit and unload boxes at the storage unit. I was not moving an entire house of furniture a few hundred miles.

It cost $650 for what I had done. To me, that was outrageous for the little work I had done.
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(11-14-2019 12:08 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 11:35 PM)John44932 Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 08:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 08:36 PM)John44932 Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 08:34 PM)griffin Wrote:  $ 11,500 is akin to 110 on the express way.

For moving expenses? More like going 5 under the limit.

Yeah, seems the down payment on the new house was part of the expense.

I used to work in the relocation industry. $11k is a very average amount.

Sounds like they should have hired 2 men and a truck.

lol... I did. And they ain't cheap.
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I do believe if you so much as have season tickets, you are a booster. The U of M has a pamphlet outlining the rules. And yes, they are ridiculous.
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(11-14-2019 11:59 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I do believe if you so much as have season tickets, you are a booster. The U of M has a pamphlet outlining the rules. And yes, they are ridiculous.

You are correct. Apparently, if you have EVER had season tickets at that.
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(11-14-2019 11:28 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  
(11-14-2019 11:27 AM)covingtontiger Wrote:  I donate to TSF, thus I am a booster. In the past, I have had high school athletes stop by my tailgate at football games. Per NCAA rules, I'm unable to give them a hot dog without violating the rules.

Stupid rule? You bet.

You need to come clean and beg for forgiveness at the feet of the mighty NCAA lol.

I'm not admitting to anything. Loose lips sink ships.
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(11-14-2019 09:18 AM)mairving Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 08:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  this is from the ASU site giving rules to boosters...

Provide transportation to a prospect or student-athlete or loan an automobile to a student-athlete host for a prospect’s use during an official paid visit.
Provide or cosign for a loan.
Allow the use of a telephone or other personal property (e.g., boat, home, car, computer, iPad).
Give cash or allow the use of a credit card.
Provide free or reduced cost entertainment, services, or products.
Provide free or reduced cost lodging.
Provide academic assistance.
Give a gift of any kind for any reason, including birthdays and holidays.
Purchase items or services from prospects, student-athletes, or their relatives at inflated prices.

Engage in any recruiting activities.
Host a meal for a prospect.
Contact a prospect through social media.
Arrange for or finance a prospect’s unofficial visit to ASU.

https://sundevilcompliance.asu.edu/fans-...%80%99t-do


Some of that is crazy..

Everytime someone shares/likes/retweets/replies/etc to a recruit on social media, you are effectively making that kid inelible.

If a kid comes up to you at the Wolfchase and says "Excuse me sir, could I borrow your phone to call my mother to ask her to come pick us up? My phone died."

you better say no... he might be a future recruit.

Why would you go to the ASU website? Schools follow basically the same rules but sometimes add to them. They are sometimes outdated as in the case of someone linking to a bylaw on a website that no longer exists i.e. they don't always update their sites.

Here's the NCAA's version:

As a booster, you may not:
  • Contact a prospect in-person on-campus or off campus.
  • Contact a prospect by telephone, email, Internet or letter.
  • Provide gifts or free or reduced-cost services to a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian.
  • Employ relatives, guardians or friends of a prospect as an inducement for the prospect’s enrollment and athletics participation at a university.
  • Become directly or indirectly involved in making arrangements for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to receive money or financial aid of any kind.
  • Provide transportation for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian.
  • Provide free or reduced-cost tickets for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to attend an athletic event.
  • Provide any material benefit (e.g., meals, cash) to the coach of a prospect, including high school, two-year college, AAU and summer team coaches.

holy...

Ok, when I was looking for a nice list of multiple topics about it, I found the ASU to have the most convenient site.

Sorry that it says ASU on it, it doesnt change what the facts are.
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(11-13-2019 08:13 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  WHAT is an impermissible benefit?

NCAA legislation specifically defines and categorizes different types of impermissible benefits (e.g., extra benefits, recruiting inducements, and preferential treatment). Regardless of the type of impermissible benefit, however, the prohibition is generally the same: under most circumstances, prospective and enrolled student-athletes (along with their friends and families) cannot receive goods or services based on their status as athletes. The following are categories of benefits that NCAA legislation prohibits boosters and other athletics stakeholders from providing:

Cash and cost-free goods and services;
Special discounts, payment arrangements, or credit options for products or services if the same are not available to all ASU students;
Preferential treatment, benefits, or services based on a student-athlete’s athletics reputation, skill, or pay-back potential as a future professional athlete;
Payment for work not performed or at unreasonable levels; and
The purchase of items or services from student-athletes or their relatives at inflated prices.
Prospective and enrolled student-athletes who receive such benefits jeopardize their eligibility to compete in intercollegiate athletics. Additionally, ASU may face institutional penalties if an ASU booster provides impermissible benefits to prospectice or enrolled student-athletes.

Boosters who provide impermissible benefits to prospective student-athletes or student-athletes may be subject to disciplinary measures such as loss of booster benefits or dissociation from ASU.

So, if I give $1 to the UM and then have my son’s athletic high school friend over for dinner one night and this friend is later recruited and signed by the UM, he is subject to being ineligible or the school receiving sanctions. What a crock! BTW, I’m still waiting for the NCAA to hand down sanctions for decades of willfully blatant academic fraud at UNC.
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(11-14-2019 07:54 PM)presskh Wrote:  
(11-13-2019 08:13 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  WHAT is an impermissible benefit?

NCAA legislation specifically defines and categorizes different types of impermissible benefits (e.g., extra benefits, recruiting inducements, and preferential treatment). Regardless of the type of impermissible benefit, however, the prohibition is generally the same: under most circumstances, prospective and enrolled student-athletes (along with their friends and families) cannot receive goods or services based on their status as athletes. The following are categories of benefits that NCAA legislation prohibits boosters and other athletics stakeholders from providing:

Cash and cost-free goods and services;
Special discounts, payment arrangements, or credit options for products or services if the same are not available to all ASU students;
Preferential treatment, benefits, or services based on a student-athlete’s athletics reputation, skill, or pay-back potential as a future professional athlete;
Payment for work not performed or at unreasonable levels; and
The purchase of items or services from student-athletes or their relatives at inflated prices.
Prospective and enrolled student-athletes who receive such benefits jeopardize their eligibility to compete in intercollegiate athletics. Additionally, ASU may face institutional penalties if an ASU booster provides impermissible benefits to prospectice or enrolled student-athletes.

Boosters who provide impermissible benefits to prospective student-athletes or student-athletes may be subject to disciplinary measures such as loss of booster benefits or dissociation from ASU.

So, if I give $1 to the UM and then have my son’s athletic high school friend over for dinner one night and this friend is later recruited and signed by the UM, he is subject to being ineligible or the school receiving sanctions. What a crock! BTW, I’m still waiting for the NCAA to hand down sanctions for decades of willfully blatant academic fraud at UNC.

Don't wait any longer. They have said they will not be handing out sanctions because the academic fraud was available to everyone - not just athletes. (Although athletes were 50% of the students enrolled in those classes, compared to just 3% in all other classes.)
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