(11-13-2019 11:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  School has become way too easy. My son is in 5th grade and has never gotten a B. He does do his homework every night (about 10-15 minutes worth), but doesn't study for tests or do anything outside of school. He is smart, but certainly not out of the ordinary and fails to test into the gifted program. I feel like he ought to have to work harder to get straight As.

you sound like my father.....to some, it simply comes naturally....view it as a gift from the heavens....it's easily better than any other....

I did all my work ahead of time or on the bus....when I got home, it was my playground that mattered....

some brains work faster than others....I sometimes say "yea" and sometimes say "nay"....

#conundrum

edit: take a guess who the hot chicks intentionally sat next to and paid attention during 'test time'....

Yeah, I ask my son each night if he's done his homework. The answer is always, "I've already done it dad". I guess as long as the grades are good I'm good. Luckily, he will reach out if he has difficulty with a subject. My daughter contantly complains about homework and the two go to the same school but different grades. I am so sick of relearning Algebra I remember why I despised it in the first place.

no differently than I intentionally rewired my brain to think about the right side......once upon, I was anal retentive left.... (never politically)

they once called me the "human calculator"....it's a curse....

my daughter had the same 'issues' as yours along the trodden.....embrace the challenge to steer to her strengths and empower from being a Father....

from my perspective, that's the best one can hope to achieve....

The primary role of schools has shifted from teaching reading, writing and arithmetic to pushing cultural change.

Read John Dewey's My Pedagogic Creed published in 1897. He clearly states the goal of education is not

Quote:ARTICLE ONE. WHAT EDUCATION IS
Education, therefore, must begin with a psychological insight into the child's capacities, interests, and habits. It must be controlled at every point by reference to these same considerations. These powers, interests, and habits must be continually interpreted - we must know what they mean. They must be translated into terms of their social equivalents - into terms of what they are capable of in the way of social service.

Quote:ARTICLE TWO. WHAT THE SCHOOL IS
I believe that education, therefore, is a process of living and not a preparation for future living.

I believe that much of present education fails because it neglects this fundamental principle of the school as a form of community life. It conceives the school as a place where certain information is to be given, where certain lessons are to be learned, or where certain habits are to be formed. The value of these is conceived as lying largely in the remote future; the child must do these things for the sake of something else he is to do; they are mere preparation. As a result they do not become a part of the life experience of the child and so are not truly educative.

Note: Dewey says that the education process fails because it assumes schools should teach children those long-held ideas of reading, writing & arithmetic.

I believe that moral education centres about this conception of the school as a mode of social life, that the best and deepest moral training is precisely that which one gets through having to enter into proper relations with others in a unity of work and thought. The present educational systems, so far as they destroy or neglect this unity, render it difficult or impossible to get any genuine, regular moral training.

Note: Dewey suggests the purpose of school should change to define social morality and instilling it in each child.

I believe that the teacher's place and work in the school is to be interpreted from this same basis. The teacher is not in the school to impose certain ideas or to form certain habits in the child, but is there as a member of the community to select the influences which shall affect the child and to assist him in properly responding to these influences.

Note that Dewey clearly states the role of the school and teachers is to choose the influences and to tell the student the proper response. He goes even further...

Quote:ARTICLE THREE. THE SUBJECT-MATTER OF EDUCATION
I believe that we violate the child's nature and render difficult the best ethical results, by introducing the child too abruptly to a number of special studies, of reading, writing, geography, etc., out of relation to this social life.

I believe, therefore, that the true centre of correlation of the school subjects is not science, nor literature, nor history, nor geography, but the child's own social activities.

Dewey suggests that we do NOT be in any hurry to teach the 3 R's but rather focus on social activities. Today, those activities are defined by the left and inundate not only the classroom but other areas of life. For example, trans story time at the library.

Quote:I believe finally, that education must be conceived as a continuing reconstruction of experience; that the process and the goal of education are one and the same thing.

How to accomplish this?

Quote:ARTICLE FIVE. THE SCHOOL AND SOCIAL PROGRESS

I believe that education is the fundamental method of social progress and reform.

I believe that all reforms which rest simply upon the enactment of law, or the threatening of certain penalties, or upon changes in mechanical or outward arrangements, are transitory and futile.

I believe that education is a regulation of the process of coming to share in the social consciousness; and that the adjustment of individual activity on the basis of this social consciousness is the only sure method of social reconstruction.

Teachers play necessary and vital roles to bring about Dewey's vision.

Quote:I believe that every teacher should realize the dignity of his calling; that he is a social servant set apart for the maintenance of proper social order and the securing of the right social growth.

I believe that in this way the teacher always is the prophet of the true God and the usherer in of the true kingdom of God.

And just an FYI... if you wonder which god Dewey considered to the the "true" god, you can figure that out by reading The Humanist Manifesto I of 1933. Dewey was a signer of that document.

The Humanist's view of God? There is no God. This message comes through loud and clear through their 15 affirmations and is summarized at the end as:

Quote:So stand the theses of religious humanism. Though we consider the religious forms and ideas of our fathers no longer adequate, the quest for the good life is still the central task for mankind. Man is at last becoming aware that he alone is responsible for the realization of the world of his dreams, that he has within himself the power for its achievement. He must set intelligence and will to the task.

Interestingly, that document is signed by several educators and Unitarian ministers. But it should be no surprise that Unitarian ministers deny belief in a god.


Anyway, Dewey's idea of education as the process by which social reform is enacted is based on his idea that the proper social structure relies on the ideals of mankind rather than a theological being.

Throughout American history -- since prior to its founding to the 1960s -- Biblical Christianity was the basis for our social order.

(11-13-2019 11:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 11:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  School has become way too easy. My son is in 5th grade and has never gotten a B. He does do his homework every night (about 10-15 minutes worth), but doesn't study for tests or do anything outside of school. He is smart, but certainly not out of the ordinary and fails to test into the gifted program. I feel like he ought to have to work harder to get straight As.

you sound like my father.....to some, it simply comes naturally....view it as a gift from the heavens....it's easily better than any other....

I did all my work ahead of time or on the bus....when I got home, it was my playground that mattered....

some brains work faster than others....I sometimes say "yea" and sometimes say "nay"....

#conundrum

edit: take a guess who the hot chicks intentionally sat next to and paid attention during 'test time'....

Yeah, I ask my son each night if he's done his homework. The answer is always, "I've already done it dad". I guess as long as the grades are good I'm good. Luckily, he will reach out if he has difficulty with a subject. My daughter contantly complains about homework and the two go to the same school but different grades. I am so sick of relearning Algebra I remember why I despised it in the first place.

no differently than I intentionally rewired my brain to think about the right side......once upon, I was anal retentive left.... (never politically)

they once called me the "human calculator"....it's a curse....

my daughter had the same 'issues' as yours along the trodden.....embrace the challenge to steer to her strengths and empower from being a Father....

from my perspective, that's the best one can hope to achieve....

It's wild. She's using YouTube videos for lessons and there's apparently some website she can just plug in an algebraic equation and it solves it. Nice resources I never had back in the day. She's getting the hang of it.

(11-13-2019 01:02 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 11:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 11:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  School has become way too easy. My son is in 5th grade and has never gotten a B. He does do his homework every night (about 10-15 minutes worth), but doesn't study for tests or do anything outside of school. He is smart, but certainly not out of the ordinary and fails to test into the gifted program. I feel like he ought to have to work harder to get straight As.

you sound like my father.....to some, it simply comes naturally....view it as a gift from the heavens....it's easily better than any other....

I did all my work ahead of time or on the bus....when I got home, it was my playground that mattered....

some brains work faster than others....I sometimes say "yea" and sometimes say "nay"....

#conundrum

edit: take a guess who the hot chicks intentionally sat next to and paid attention during 'test time'....

Yeah, I ask my son each night if he's done his homework. The answer is always, "I've already done it dad". I guess as long as the grades are good I'm good. Luckily, he will reach out if he has difficulty with a subject. My daughter contantly complains about homework and the two go to the same school but different grades. I am so sick of relearning Algebra I remember why I despised it in the first place.

no differently than I intentionally rewired my brain to think about the right side......once upon, I was anal retentive left.... (never politically)

they once called me the "human calculator"....it's a curse....

my daughter had the same 'issues' as yours along the trodden.....embrace the challenge to steer to her strengths and empower from being a Father....

from my perspective, that's the best one can hope to achieve....

It's wild. She's using YouTube videos for lessons and there's apparently some website she can just plug in an algebraic equation and it solves it. Nice resources I never had back in the day. She's getting the hang of it.

#awesome

algebra is nothing more than remembering the sequence of operation and understanding/learning how symbols/variables coexist to drive to a solution/standard/benchmark....

it's much of what most engineering disciplines are all about....it's nothing more than a language that defines common sense application....

having said that, not everyone is cut from that cloth as there a varying forms of "common sense"....

I had to get my arse whooped more than a few times to learn 'those' lessons along the way...

#aFanOfWhateverItTakesToEducate