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Temple MBB player performance update
Overview: after two games:

Temple excels in two categories: steals and turnover differential

Scoring margin (weak opponents): 13 ppg

Temple lags in two categories: rebounding deficit and 3 pt FG%: .255

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Player stats (per 40 minutes):

NPL 22.6 pts 13.5 rb 5.8 ast 7.1 stl 1.3 blk (A+++) 31 min/game
QR 19.7 pts 5.2 rb 0.7 ast 0.7 stl 0.7 blk (A-) 30.5 min/game
Perry 19.5 pts 5.4 rb 0 ast 2.2 stl 1.1 blk (A-) 18.5 min/game
JH 14.5 pts 12.7 rb 0 ast 3.8 stl 1.8 blk (A!) 11 min/game
DM 12.8 pts 17.6 rb 1.6 ast 0 stl 1.6 blk (A!) 12.5 min/game
JPL 12.5 pts 5 rb 7.5 ast 2.5 stl 0 blk (A-!) 8 min/game
AM 13.7 Pts 4.8 rb 4.2 ast 3 stl 0.6 blk (B+/A-) 33.5 min/game
JPM 8 pts 8 rb 2.7 ast 0.7 stl 0.7 blk (B) 30 min/game
Scott 5.9 pts 3.9 rb 0 ast 2 stl 1 blk © 20.5 min/game
Parks 0 pts 0 rb 0 ast 0 stl 0 blk (F) 4.5 min/game

*Note: These productivity figures may not be generalizable to the season ahead, since Temple's first two opponents were among the weakest they will face this season.

Summary: In games 1 and 2, the most productive players (per minute of play) were NPL, QR, Perry, JH, AM, DM, & JPL.

The least productive players were Parks, Scott, and JP Moorman.

Conclusion: Temple could have been more statistically productive by limiting the playing time of Moorman (!), Scott, and Parks and assigning more of those minutes to the more productive players.

Scott and Parks did not play D1 quality basketball. Their minutes should be restricted until their play improves. Another concern is that Moorman has underperformed.
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(11-11-2019 10:52 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Overview: after two games:

Temple excels in two categories: steals and turnover differential

Scoring margin (weak opponents): 13 ppg

Temple lags in two categories: rebounding deficit and 3 pt FG%: .255

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Player stats (per 40 minutes):

NPL 22.6 pts 13.5 rb 5.8 ast 7.1 stl 1.3 blk (A+++) 31 min/game
QR 19.7 pts 5.2 rb 0.7 ast 0.7 stl 0.7 blk (A-) 30.5 min/game
Perry 19.5 pts 5.4 rb 0 ast 2.2 stl 1.1 blk (A-) 18.5 min/game
JH 14.5 pts 12.7 rb 0 ast 3.8 stl 1.8 blk (A!) 11 min/game
DM 12.8 pts 17.6 rb 1.6 ast 0 stl 1.6 blk (A!) 12.5 min/game
JPL 12.5 pts 5 rb 7.5 ast 2.5 stl 0 blk (A-!) 8 min/game
AM 13.7 Pts 4.8 rb 4.2 ast 3 stl 0.6 blk (B+/A-) 33.5 min/game
JPM 8 pts 8 rb 2.7 ast 0.7 stl 0.7 blk (B) 30 min/game
Scott 5.9 pts 3.9 rb 0 ast 2 stl 1 blk © 20.5 min/game
Parks 0 pts 0 rb 0 ast 0 stl 0 blk (F) 4.5 min/game

*Note: These productivity figures may not be generalizable to the season ahead, since Temple's first two opponents were among the weakest they will face this season.

Summary: In games 1 and 2, the most productive players (per minute of play) were NPL, QR, Perry, JH, AM, DM, & JPL.

The least productive players were Parks, Scott, and JP Moorman.

Conclusion: Temple could have been more statistically productive by limiting the playing time of Moorman (!), Scott, and Parks and assigning more of those minutes to the more productive players.

Scott and Parks did not play D1 quality basketball. Their minutes should be restricted until their play improves. Another concern is that Moorman has underperformed.

Temple also excelled in holding opponent to shooting two’s and three’s shots at very low percentages was also excellent. As was Temple marking and making way more foul shots than opponents did.

You should also point out that although Temple was out-rebounded slightly on defensive boards, that’s to be expected since Temple took more fga’s than opponents and missed more shots. Otherwise don’t mention that at all. Also the rebounding deficit is virtualluly insignificant for if Temple made 5 more rebounds over two games, their would be no deficit.

Much more significal to mention that Temple took 19 more foul shots over two games than opponents did,
and that Temple committed 9 less fouls than opponents did over two games. than the fact that opponents made five more offensive rebounds, and five more defensive rebounds than Temple did over two games.

Do believe you should include for each player the number of shots they took and made in 2’s, the same for three’s, player’s turnovers, fouls, and foul shots taken and made.,shooting percentage on 2’s, and 3’s, and either include all this info and grade, or just let stats speak for themselves. Shouldn’t grade players on limited stats, when stats are incomplete and not equal. Actually think you should wait to assign grades till each player has a greater body of work.

Moorman had a great first game. No need to mention that his playing time should be limited as he played terrific in Temple’s first game. Also, in 28 minutes of play in Morgan State game, he did a lot of positive things in Morgan State game, including seven rebounds, and no turnovers.
turnovers, and but one foul.

I dealt with Scott’s performance under Morgan State topic. Will say that Scot making two streals, , committing no turnovers, and making one block in only 14 minutes of play, is quality D-1basketball.
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RE: Temple MBB player performance update
Last season when Temple opponents averaged 72. 5 ppg, individual Temple player ratings were
per 100 possessions on defense were all in the 100’s.

With Temple opponents so far this season only averaging 59.5 ppg, here’s the new ranking of Temple players per 100 possessions. Temple’s entire roster has helped cause opponents to turn the ball over significantly more than last season; causing opponents to shoot much lower shooting percentage on 2’s and 3’s, and byTemple fouling less has resulted in opponents taking and scoring far fewer foul-shots. .


The numbers next to ach player’s name represent the number of points scored by opponents playing against Temple per 100 possessions when each player is on the court.

1. Nate Pierre-Louise 62.9
2. Justyn Hamilton 68.9
3.Damion Moore 81.2
4. Alani Moore 83.4
5.James Scott 85.3
5. JP Moorman 86.2
5. Josh Pierre-Louise 86.2
6. Dre Perry 86.6
7 Quentin Rose. 88.9
8. Arashma Parks 96.9


Nice to see Nate in first place followed by Temple’s two Centers-Justyn Hamilton, and D. Moore.

Fans might be surprised to see Temple’s shortest player Alani Moore ranked fourth, and transfers Monte Scott rated 4th. They shouldn’t be because as part of playing good defense is for a player to turn the ball over as little as possible to opponents don’t score on the players turnovers. This Moore and Scott are doing exceptionally well. They are also both making steals.

A.Moore is only turning the ball over 1.5 times per game, is averaging 2 steals per game, and committing only .5 fouls per game, and garnering three rebounds per game. He’s also guarding the perimeter as opponents are only shooting 23.6 percent on three’s. Will see ugly that continues when Temple plays better shooting teams.

Scott has played a total of 40 minutes in Temple’s two games, and has no turnovers and two steals, which has helped his rating. Obviously opponents have scored few points when he played.

Rose, who was Temple’s best ball stealer last season has had only one steal in Temples two games played to date.
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The one glaring Temple stat that is way underwater in it’s first two games is Temple making only 25.5 percent of it’s three-point attempts.this is in stark contrast to Temple shooting 35 percent on three’s last season.

Such is mostly do to both Temple starters Nate and Rose being primarily slashers, and average, at best, shooting three’s.They both shot in the low 30-percent range on three’s last season, and as such, are likey to have widely fluctuating games shooting three’s this season. They would be wise to mostly stick to their strength as players, and not go off shooting many three’s when theiroff.

It appears they do so because they want to get their points. They’d be better off thinking team first, and giving the ball up.

Both are once again showing some of the same bad habits they displayed last season.

As Rose shot 1-5 on three’s, and Nate 0-5 on three’s in Temple’s last game. In other respects, Rose played very well, Nate is otherwise playing excellent ball. They should pass the ball to good three or two-point shooters, or instead the should drive more to the hoop.

If the three had not shot as many three’s as they did, Temple would have scored way more points than the 75-points that they did.

Moorman who is a good 3-point shooter, but should not have taken 5 three’s as he only made one. Once a player doesn’t make one of his first three 3-point attempts, hecshould stop.

If they gon 1-3 on three’s, they can take one more, and if they miss, they should stop. If they make the court shot, they can take more with the above perimeters still in place. That’s my view on shooting three’s.

Do think that Moorman, Scott, Perry, and Alani, will shoot three’s better than Rose and Nate will, and should be Temple’s primary three point shooters. Although Dunn was not aparticularly good three-point shooter in HS, his new shooting form should make him an excellent three-point shooter.

JPL should be banned from shooting any jump shot. Not even sure if he can acjumper from8-feet from the hoop.
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(11-12-2019 06:32 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Last season when Temple opponents averaged 7.5 ppg, individual Temple player ratings were
per 100 possessions on defense were all in the 100’s.

With Temple opponents so far this season only averaging 59.5 ppg, here’s the new ranking of Temple players per 100 possessions. Temple’s entire roster has helped cause opponents to turn the ball over significantly more than last season; causing opponents to shoot much lower shooting percentage on 2’s and 3’s, and byTemple fouling less has resulted in opponents taking and scoring far fewer foul-shots. .


The numbers next to ach player’s name represent the number of points scored by opponents playing against Temple per 100 possessions when each player is on the court.

1. Nate Pierre-Louise 62.9
2. Justyn Hamilton 68.9
3.Damion Moore 81.2
4. Alani Moore 83.4
5.James Scott 85.3
5. JP Moorman 86.2
5. Josh Pierre-Louise 86.2
6. Dre Perry 86.6
7 Quentin Rose. 88.9
8. Arashma Parks 96.9


Nice to see Nate in first place followed by Temple’s two Centers-Justyn Hamilton, and D. Moore.

Fans might be surprised to see Temple’s shortest player Alani Moore ranked fourth, and transfers Monte Scott rated 4th. They shouldn’t be because as part of playing good defense is for a player to turn the ball over as little as possible to opponents don’t score on the players turnovers. This Moore and Scott are doing exceptionally well. They are also both making steals.

A.Moore is only turning the ball over 1.5 times per game, is averaging 2 steals per game, and committing only .5 fouls per game, and garnering three rebounds per game. He’s also guarding the perimeter as opponents are only shooting 23.6 percent on three’s. Will see ugly that continues when Temple plays better shooting teams.

Scott has played a total of 40 minutes in Temple’s two games, and has no turnovers and two steals, which has helped his rating. Obviously opponents have scored few points when he played.

Rose, who was Temple’s best ball stealer last season has had only one steal in Temples two games played to date.


All this is true, but the numbers will no doubt change quite a bit against as the schedule becomes tougher.

For example, Temple rebounded well in OOC games last season (SOS 190+), but the team was totally out-rebounded in conference play.
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(11-12-2019 12:43 PM)Miggy Wrote:  The one glaring Temple stat that is way underwater in it’s first two games is Temple making only 25.5 percent of it’s three-point attempts.this is in stark contrast to Temple shooting 35 percent on three’s last season.

Such is mostly do to both Temple starters Nate and Rose being primarily slashers, and average, at best, shooting three’s.They both shot in the low 30-percent range on three’s last season

Do think that Moorman, Scott, Perry, and Alani, will shoot three’s better than Rose and Nate will, and should be Temple’s primary three point shooters. Although Dunn was not aparticularly good three-point shooter in HS, his new shooting form should make him an excellent three-point shooter.

JPL should be banned from shooting any jump shot. Not even sure if he can acjumper from8-feet from the hoop.

Rose & NPL both hit 34.5% of their 3 pt shots in conference play last season, which is in the "mid-30's" and is equivalent to hitting ~50% of 2 point shots.

Agree that JP and AM should out-shoot those two players, but Perry hit only ~28% of his 3 pt shots last season, much worse than Rose & NPL. I hope he proves me wrong, though, and that JP proves me right.

Scott has to be considered a question mark until he starts hitting some 3 pt shots this season. I'm "from Missouri" until he starts to prove he can hit from distance this season.
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(11-12-2019 11:42 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-12-2019 06:32 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Last season when Temple opponents averaged 72.5 ppg, individual Temple player ratings per 100 possessions on defense were all in the 100’s.

With Temple opponents so far this season only averaging 59.5 ppg, here’s the new ranking of Temple players per 100 possessions. Temple’s entire roster has helped cause opponents to turn the ball over significantly more than last season; causing opponents to shoot much lower shooting percentage on 2’s and 3’s, and byTemple fouling less has resulted in opponents taking and scoring far fewer foul-shots. .


The numbers next to ach player’s name represent the number of points scored by opponents playing against Temple per 100 possessions when each player is on the court.

1. Nate Pierre-Louise 62.9
2. Justyn Hamilton 68.9
3.Damion Moore 81.2
4. Alani Moore 83.4
5.James Scott 85.3
5. JP Moorman 86.2
5. Josh Pierre-Louise 86.2
6. Dre Perry 86.6
7 Quentin Rose. 88.9
8. Arashma Parks 96.9


Nice to see Nate in first place followed by Temple’s two Centers-Justyn Hamilton, and D. Moore.

Fans might be surprised to see Temple’s shortest player Alani Moore ranked fourth, and transfers Monte Scott rated 4th. They shouldn’t be because as part of playing good defense is for a player to turn the ball over as little as possible to opponents don’t score on the players turnovers. This Moore and Scott are doing exceptionally well. They are also both making steals.

A.Moore is only turning the ball over 1.5 times per game, is averaging 2 steals per game, and committing only .5 fouls per game, and garnering three rebounds per game. He’s also guarding the perimeter as opponents are only shooting 23.6 percent on three’s. Will see ugly that continues when Temple plays better shooting teams.

Scott has played a total of 40 minutes in Temple’s two games, and has no turnovers and two steals, which has helped his rating. Obviously opponents have scored few points when he played.

Rose, who was Temple’s best ball stealer last season, has had only one steal in Temple’s two games played to date.


All this is true, but the numbers will no doubt change quite a bit against as the schedule becomes tougher.

For example, Temple rebounded well in OOC games last season (SOS 190+), but the team was totally out-rebounded in conference play.

Just about every player has contributed to Temple’s two wins. It’s clear Temple’s defense has surpassed our expectations. Now have to see if Temple can sustain their defensive play as the competition gets tougher.

Biggest concern on offensive end remains Temple’s three-point shooting and Temple shooting a higher percentage on their foul shots. We’re all waiting for Monte Scott to have break-out game by contributing points, so Temple can start averaging 80-plus ppg.
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(11-12-2019 04:12 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Shouldn’t grade players on limited stats, when stats are incomplete and not equal. Actually think you should wait to assign grades till each player has a greater body of work.

Moorman had a great first game. No need to mention that his playing time should be limited as he played terrific in Temple’s first game. Also, in 28 minutes of play in Morgan State game, he did a lot of positive things in Morgan State game, including seven rebounds, and no turnovers, and but one foul.

I dealt with Scott’s performance under Morgan State topic. Will say that Scot making two streals, , committing no turnovers, and making one block in only 14 minutes of play, is quality D-1basketball.


These "grades" are done for each game, and are accumulated as the season progresses, as they are with PER and other stats. The productivity stats/"grades" aren't any less fair than PER stats, etc., which all begin to be computed from game 1 onwards.

Regarding assigning "grades," I should make it clear that these grades are only for their productivity (pts, rb, ast, stl, blk).

Like "PER" and other advanced stats, these productivity summaries only tell part of the story. However, they do tell a very important part of the story.

Regarding Moorman, he has put up very disappointing stats thus far, and 9 pts and 5 rebounds was no better than an average performance for JP in 30 minutes of play in game 1, especially compared to his productivity as a freshman. Game 2 was a disastrous performance.

The productivity stats for Perry were much better than for Moorman in the first two games, suggesting that he should be playing more than 14 mpg.
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Another, more comprehensive way to "grade" the Temple players is using the PER index, or Player Efficiency Rating.

"The PER sums up all a player's positive accomplishments, subtracts the negative accomplishments, and returns a per-minute rating of a player's performance."

Here, I'm listing the productivity grades alongside the players' PER ratings, which include the productivity statistics but also add information about other aspects of play, including personal fouls, turnovers, other mistakes, etc.

Top 5 Temple Players:
1. NPL 39.0 (Productivity "grade" A+++)
2. Perry 25.3 (Productivity "grade" A-)
3. A Moore 17.9 (Productivity "grade" A-) (PER lower than productivity)
4. D Moore 16.1 (Productivity "grade" A) (PER lower than productivity)
5. Rose 12.8 (Productivity "grade" A-) (PER lower than productivity)

Other Temple Players:
6. JP 11.9 (Productivity "grade" B) (PER lower than productivity)
7. Justyn 9.3 (Productivity "grade" A) (PER much lower than productivity)
8. JPL 7.7 (Productivity "grade" A-) (PER much lower than productivity)
9. Scott 1.8 (Productivity "grade" C) (PER lower than productivity)
10. Parks -3.4 (Productivity "grade" F)

CONCLUSIONS:

Starting unit (& most mpg) should perhaps be NPL, AM, QR, PERRY, DM

Top bench players should perhaps be JP, JH, & JPL

Scott & Parks should perhaps be #9 and #10 in the rotation
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I agree with you that Nate, Perry and Alani have been Temple’s most productive players. And given that Perry has averaged only 18.( minutes he should play more.

But using PER as measuring production is a poor tool as each player brings a different skill set. If you need rebounding from a player and he provides that to Temple, then i’m less concerned or he’s up fooling up other statistical boxes. Absolutely need to look at a player’s stats in relation to playing time.

As pointed out in the defensive ratings, Hamilton is Temple’s second best defender, far ahead of Damian Moore who is Temple’s third best defensive players.

They’ve justified their playing time. If anything the should play more. D. Moore on a 40 minute basis is averaging 17.6 rebounds, and Hamilton 12.7. Temple needs them. Only Nate is anywhere near them, no one else is above 8 rebounds. Hamilton is also Temple’s second best ball stealer and best shot blocker per 40 minutes of playing time. He’s also shooting 50 percent from the field, and made his foul shots.

He can be criticized for his turnovers and fouls, but Temple is dong so well as a team in those categories, his falling short in those categories is no cause for concern. Plus, I think there’s a chance he may improve in those categories.

Damian Moore’s shooting isn’t near where it needs to be at 42 percent, but he’s taken few shots, and he was Temple’s best two point shooter last season. It’s good he doesn’t foul often, but he like, Hamilton has to cut down on his turnovers. Can’t say that D.Moore should play over Hamilton, given Hamilton’s much higher defensive rating.

Hamilton has averaged 11 mpg, and D.Moore, 12.5 mpg. That means Temple is playing 15 minutes of small ball per game. I think their playing time is fine. I wouldn’t mind seeing more small ball as it’s been very effective. But I do consider Hamilton as part of the small ball rotation since he’s so quick.

For some reason you’ve omitted Moorman who’s shooting 60 percent on two’s, and 33 percent on three’s, after shooting 41 percent on three’s last year. Believe you questioned his playing time as well in a prior post.

JPL is a limited player who plays good defense and can get to the rim. He’s not a PG, can’t distribute the nor a scorer as he can’t shoot. He also fouls way to often. Temple needs scoring from it’s SG’s off the bench. He’s fine playing 8 mpg that he has averaged.

Do think Perry based on his outstanding performance may earn the right to be in the starting rotation over Rose or Moorman. Rose’s taking 8.2 two’s per game and shooting only 35 percent is unacceptable. Rose, but for his getting to the foul line, has been pitiful, it’s the one time I agree with you that Rose doesn’t fill up the stat board I care about, to either be in the starting line-up or to shoot as often as he does. But McKie never going to change that.,


As for Scott, even though he’s scored only six points, on 3-12 shooting in 40 minutes of play, I have shown that his non-shooting stats have been quite good and have concluded that based on his 2-steals (4 points) no turnovers, blocked shot, rebound (3-points) and finding the open man who hit down shots, for which he not credit assists that he. provided Temple with at least 17-point scoring margin over it’s opponents in his 40 minutes of playing time which is damn good. He also committed 4-fouls that led to 2 opponent points.

Who cares if in one game he takes but one shot, he takes bookings off the board of opponents, gets other Temple players to score, and Temple still scores 75 points, and wins by 18 points? Even with that being my view, he needs to step up his game and contribute as he did at KSU, where he was on fire playing the nation’s best teams.

Temple’s not likely to go as far as it could without him stepping up. The coaches have confidence in him as they see what he does every day. You’re saying he should be Temple’s 9th player based on the stats you provided is an indication of how you should consider what I have written in this post.

Scott has Temple’s fourth best defensive rating per 100 possessions on a team whose defense makes it’s offense. As such, he needs to be on the court. He’s playing better defense than, Perry, Moorman, and Rose.

If Scott steps up and I think he will Temple’s best line-up would be Scott, Nate, Dunn, Perry, and Hamilton,m, with Alani, Morman, andRose, JPL, and D.Noore coming off the bench. That will never happen.


Try to see the collective contribution of each player that has led to Temple having a scoring margin of 13 ppg in it’s two wins. That has led to Temple having so fewer turnovers than it’s opponents. As it’s that stat that has been mainly responsible for Temple’s winning margin., player has some good stats that has made that result possible. Looking for individual bad stats that are not up to par, in my view, doesn’t cut it, unless you have a proven player who you know will do better overall.
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There’s another stat that skews Temple’s rebounding stats. And NPL continually fighting Moorman, and D.Moore for defensive rebounds they would have had. But for him snatching the ball from them. One can say he does that in the intensity of the moment or he wants to pad his stats. Regardless, he gets rebounds other Temple players would have had.

And even though NPL has played out of this world bb in Temple’s first two games, he’s human and has missed all three of his three-point attempts.

Five of Temple’s returning players averaged 2 or more fouls per game last season. They include Moorman, Rose, Alani, Nate, and Hamilton. D.Moore and Alani Moore averaged less than 2 fouls per game.

This season so far only J.Hamilton and Perry have averaged more than 2-points per game. The other returning players have averaged 1.5 fouls or less. That’s a tremendous collective and individual improvement.
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What do you think about Temple's bizarre BPM data thus far, if you've checked them? Link below:

Last season, Temple's top 9 players all had BPMs greater than 0.0, but thus far, NPL is the only player with a BPM over 0 is NPL (BPM=8.2).

The rest range from -7.3 to -20.1, which are incredibly horrible numbers. If these numbers are right, that's very bad news. I'll try checking some other teams; maybe it's too early for these stats.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../2020.html
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(11-13-2019 06:14 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  What do you think about Temple's bizarre BPM data thus far, if you've checked them? Link below:

Last season, Temple's top 9 players all had BPMs greater than 0.0, but thus far, NPL is the only player with a BPM over 0 is NPL (BPM=8.2).

The rest range from -7.3 to -20.1, which are incredibly horrible numbers. If these numbers are right, that's very bad news. I'll try checking some other teams; maybe it's too early for these stats.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../2020.html


I need to read more about BPM-Box Plus /Minus It’s my understanding that it measures a player’s offense without regard to the player’s playing time. I find that very odd. Publications also it’s very limited measuring defensive performance.

If the BPM is for the first two games combined, have a problem with it know is that Dre Perry shot 3-6 in Temple’s first game, and in the second game 4-6 on fga’s, 2-3 on three’s, and 2-2 from the foul-line. That required a positive rating and he dulud notc receive one. So I put little or no stock in it since BPM says he hasn’t played well.

That being said Nate had great sets in each game, and most other players, at best, had average stats.

Also, Temple has averaged only 2 or 3 points less per game than last season, and opponents have scored 13 less ppg than last season. That tells me this year’s team Is playing far superior to last year’s team, and the BPM is given little credence to defense. Since the BPNM says otherwise, there is no reason to give it any credence for evaluating the performance of Temple players.

I would add that the plus/minus stats handed to me at the Morgan State game by an official shows five Temple players with high plus scores for the game. It appears to me that those days are calculated much differently than the BPM stats you referenced.

I don’t know if they still calculate plus/minus as in the old days, but if you played twenty minutes, and shot 4-5 on two’s one would expect you to have a nice positive rating. But if the other players on your team shot terrible, and your team went down points from the time you came shot terrible during those same twenty minutes, and your team went down points from the time you came in until you left 20 minute later, you’d have a minus rating even though you shot well, and was not at all responsible for your team’s decline.
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I found other stats that does supports the BPM in regard to Temple’s offense being a mess. We begin with the fact Temple averages 65 fga to produce 70 and 75 points.

Last season, Temple averaged 60.5 fga’s per game, 4.5 less fga’s per game than so far this season, and averaged 74.7 points per game.

In some games last season, Temple took as little as 55 fga’s and scored
more than 80 points. This Temple offense is simply not as potent as last year. As Temple players are shooting a lower percentage and sthus score less points this season. As Temple shooting 25 percent on three’s 45 percent on two’s.

But for Temple causing so many opponent turnovers thru steals that led to more fga’s, Temple would be scoring even less. .

To put it another way, given the 4.5 extra fga’s Temple is taking this season, Temple should be scoring 5 more points or per game, or 77 ppg
or more, and is not.

Temple is taking approximately the same number of three’s as last season even though fga’s has risen by an average of 4.5 per game over last season.

As a result, Temple players have averaged making 6-three’s or 18 points on three’s per game this season, compared to Temple averaging 7.48 made three’s or 22.4 three’s last season. So Temple is scoring 4.4 less points per game than last season on three’s.

Alani Moore is averaging 8.8 three’s per game, compared to Alston taking virtually the same number of three’s, an average of 8.6 three’s per game.

One can only hope that Perry who has shot far better than Rose, or Scott who was an excellent three point shooter at KSU, and hopefully returns to his old form. One can only hope that Temple can both increase the number of three’s taken, and it’s shooting percentage on three’s.

Temple is taking 22.5 foul shots per game compared to 19.6 foul shots per game last season and Temple is averaging 14.5 ppg on foul shots this season, as compare to 14.3 last season.

So, it appears that Temple has taken a step backward offensively, and regardless if Temple’s defense continues to hold opponents scoring down via steals, and thus provide Temple with extra scoring opportunities, both Perry and even Scott if he’s performs well Saturday, should be consideration for being inserted for a struggling Rose in Temple’s starting line-up, as it’s likely to perform in par given Rose’s lackluster play.
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(11-14-2019 01:20 AM)Miggy Wrote:  I found other stats that does support rhe BPM in regard to Temple’s offense being a mess. We begin with the fact that it’s taken Temple 65 fga’s in each game to produce 70 and 75 points respectively, or 72.5 ppg.

Last season, Temple averaged 60.5 fga’s per game for the season, 4.5 less fga’s per game than so far this season, and averaged 74.7 points per game.

In some games last season, Temple took as little as 55 fga’s and scored
more than 80 points. This Tempoe’s offense is simply not as potent as last year’s team.

What this means is that but for Temple causing so many opponent turnovers mostly thru steals that led to more fga’s, Temple scoring would be lower.

To put it another way, given the 4.5 extra fga’s Temple is taking this season, Temple should be scoring 5 more points or per game, or 77 ppg,
or more.

One can trace Temple’s shooting woes to Temple only shooting 25 percent on three’s compared to 35 person on three’s last season.

Temple is taking approximately the same number of three’s as last season even though fga’s has risen by an average of 4.5 per game over last season.

As a result, Temple players have averaged making 6-three’s or 18 points on three’s per game this season, compared to Temple averaging 7.48 made three’s or 22.4 three’s last season. So Temple is scoring 4.4 less points per game than last season on three’s.

Alani Moore is averaging 8.8 three’s per game, compared to Alston taking virtually the same number of three’s, an average of 8.6 three’s per game.

One can only hope that Perry who has shot far better than Rose, or Scott who was an excellent three point shooter st KSU returns to his old form, a
As one can only hope that Temple can both increase the number of three’s taken, and it’s shooting percentage on three’s.

Temple is taking 22.5 foul shots per game compared to 19.6 foul shots per game last season and Temple is averaging 14.5 ppg on foul shots this season, as compare to 14.3 last season.

So, it appears that Temple has taken a step backward offensively, and regardless if Temple’s defense continues to hold opponents scoring down via steals, and thus provide Temple with extra scoring opportunities, both Perry and even Scott if he’s performs well Saturday, should be consideration for being inserted for a struggling Rose in Temple’s starting line-up, as it’s likely to perform in par given Rose’s lackluster play.

Thanks for all this info.

Putting this all together, there may be two factors hurting Temple's offense, Scott's shooting slump and Alani taking Shizz's place.

Alani doesn't have the height or PG ability that Shizz had, and probably doesn't see the court as well. In addition, the team was highly accustomed to playing with Shizz as PG, and is not as accustomed to playing with Alani as PG. Third, Alani isn't the offensive threat that Shizz, scoring ~5 ppg fewer than Shizz played. If he could score 5 more ppg, that would help make up the difference, but he's already near the peak of his general scoring potential.

Scott's shooting slump is a major adversity for the team, just as it was a major adversity when one of last season's "Big 3" had a very poor shooting night. Improving his game (as opposed to practice) performances is going to be absolutely vital.

BTW: On Scott, is he practicing well with the starting unit, or with the reserve unit in team scrimmages?

Why is that an important question?

Because part of Scott's difficulty may be due to practicing with the reserves, rather than with the starting unit. If that's the case, then the cure to his poor shooting may not be cured until he starts to practice regularly with the starting unit.

Do you have any info about which unit he scrimmages on? If he's practicing with the reserves, that might throw off his game (just as Alani complained loudly last year about always practicing with the reserve unit - - btw, he played poorly last season, perhaps as a result.

I definitely understand why Alani was so upset, and I would definitely understand how it could throw off Scott's game (and upset him as well).

Wondering what you think about this "practice unit" issue. If I'm on target, then all McKie would have to do is start practicing Scott with the first unit until he starts playing better.
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Yes, Scott has in scrimmages played on the second unit and has not had as much time developing chemistry with Nate and Rose who play on the first unit. But such hasn’t effected his shooting.

Most terrific college teams have consistent high volume three-point shooters in their back-court. Neither Nate nor Rose are that type of players. Both are slashers in half-court sets who need the ball in their hands to go to the hoop. Because of that they are both difficult to play with Rose and Nate, and neither are good ball distributors.

That worked last season as Alston was a high volume shooter. Alani is taking as many three’s as Alston, but because he doesn’t shoot as much as Shizz, the half-court offense has looked bad as Nate has not hit a three, and Rose is taking a lot of twi’s in half court sets and only converting on 35 percent on them.

Although his shooting not there, Nate Nate steals the ball often, and he’s averages 10 rebounds per game.

McKie has shown a willingness to pull the plug early even with Rose when he’s not performing well.

But Scott should eventually start as he’s a proven high volume three point shooter and can get to the rim.Even Perry should play and shoot more as he’s been on fire.

Alani has difficulty playing with Rose and Nate. He’s still making more steals, 2.5 per game, than turnovers, 1.5 per game, which is unheard for a PG averaging 33.5 mpg. That wins games. His three point shooting will improve as he’s been told the slight flaw in his stroke. His defense has been stellar, as we witnessed his yanking the ball out of a big’s hands in the paint. He’s been given the technique that allows him to play at 6’5 and shut down perimeter shooters. Unfortunately, I can’t share that in this space. It’s no wonder that his defensive rating so far in the two games is right behind Nate, Hamilton, D.Moore. He’s next. All other Temple players are ranked behind him. And Scott is ranked right behind Alani. Rose is next to the end.

Scott being on the court would make Alani a better player, as he would draw attention away from Alani that Rose and Nate. And Scott can play more as a PG, He’s had no turnovers in 40 you saw him time and time again when contested inside, find the open man. Alani would play more of a SG. Scott would get Hamilton and D. Moore more integrated and involved in the the offense as they should be.

With Scott starting or playing a lot, Temple’s transition offense will be so much better than is presently is as both Nate and Rose clueless as to how to run a fast break other than to take the ball to the hoop themselves.

Scott’s also a good ball stealer. Top 100 two seasons ago. Perfect fit for Temple’s defense that is the primary reason that’s Temple has been winning games by a decent scoring margins.
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