(11-11-2019 01:57 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You all are way underestimating the pull of family... Arkansas is attractive because of family more than anything. The guy has the possibility to be paid millions and be next door to family while coaching in the SEC. That is a very unique opportunity and the most attractive part of the job. He is young. If he is at Arkansas for three years and gets fired he will have no problem finding another multi-million dollar head coaching gig somewhere...

Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

Why take a job of that little potential when he can play for championships here - and still have, even enhance the opportunity for a premo job (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU (maybe now), UGA, UF, UT (Texas) at a future date - 5 to 10 yrs from now? It's a no brainer decision NOT to take a job like AR.

Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

As you have now said Norvell has connection to Central AR not AR. And other than the current LSU coach some 10 yrs later finding success as a P5 head coach none of the other attempts have. Yep where is Miles now - Kansas arguably the worst P5 FB school over the last 10 yrs. Is that the tract that would attract Norvell? Or what about Richt, resigned at Miami because he couldn't win. Is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Nutt, fired at AR & OM, is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Tuberville fired at Auburn & couldn't win at TT or Cincy, is that the tract Norvell wants? The point is that none of these guys will have made in total the salary Norvell will have made over his career if Norvell just stays at Memphis without interruptions of employment that taking bad jobs causes.

Are you being intentionally stupid?

Fayetteville, Springdale, Bentonville/Rogers are basically just a large metropolitan area and the largest revenue producing part of state. He is connected here In the Northwest corner of AR with the second largest MSA and three fortune 500 companies financially backing the school.
Central AR has the largest MSA and again some seriously deep pockets that back the program and he is connected here.
Fort Smith, "river valley" is the 3rd largest MSA in the state and he is connected there. If you are well connected in the 3 largest MSAs in the state of AR then you are connected to the entire state...

And you are just moving the target to make your point since your original statement was proven incorrect.

Belima - Anaylsit and now an NFL coordinator
Richt - Miami head coach
Muschamp - South Carolina head coach
Petrino - WKU head coach and then Louisville head coach
Houston Nutt - Ole Miss head coach and now a CBS analyst
Miles - $2.75 million/year to coach a school with no expectations
Sumlin - Arizona head coach and received a $10 million buyout

Those are all pretty cushy landing spots...

This idea that these coaches have gone to other schools and did not win. Is that because you cannot win at those schools or because they were not (or no longer) good coaches? Cincinatti has had several successful head coaches. So, was Cincy the problem or Tubberville at the end of his career? And many of those guys have made and are continuing to make just as much as Norvell will make at Memphis. Look, Arkansas is not a great job IMO, however, Norvell is not going anywhere expecting not to be able to win. He is not looking at past SEC coaches that have failed. He would expect himself to win. And if he did not, he is still assured financial security for the rest of his life and his kid's lives...

My point is simple. The money is there and his family is there. That will be a massive selling point and will be the predominant appeal of Arkansas. If Ole Miss or Miss State were open (jobs that I consider the same as AR) then I would agree that they would not be appealing to Norvell but AR has something to offer that the others do not.

You make a great point in bold above. Everyone thinks that coaches look at the history of a place and run from opportunity, when in fact they all (yes, even Norvell) have a bit of narcissism in them. This is not a bad thing, most true leaders have a bit of "I can't be wrong" built into their wiring somewhere.

Every one of them are more apt to think about what they will make a situation into, not what they can't, or what it has been. They all believe they will win where others could not. Throw in the intangibles; the ability to recruit at the highest level, the facilities, and most importantly, the funding to bring in the best talent, coaches and support that can be asked for, and it is a little more considerable than your average fan wants to admit if it is their coach that is the favored one.

(11-11-2019 02:02 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:59 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:53 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 03:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 10:39 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Anthony Sain‏
@SainAsylum
Follow Follow @SainAsylum
More
Can confirm that Norvell met with Arkansas reps last night in Memphis. Not saying he’s gone but he’s definitely gauging interests as he should.

I think he is gone, or better said, I would be surprised if he isn't. Not shocked, just surprised.

I would have SMU's Off coordinator on speed dial, if not Todd Graham himself.

Looks like Norvell is gone. Oh wait, that was from a post 2 years ago.

Was this for me? Funny thing is that that entire statement even 2 years later, still holds merit. LOL

About the only time you seem to post...just saying.

I think that may have been one of the few times I have posted in recent years. I have truly not missed the intellectual "battle" that some here represent. Fun to be easily right though, ya know?

As far as that statement, I am either a broken record or wildly consistent. LOL

I don't feel like Arkansas will be relevant any time soon. He would be recruiting in a state with not a great deal of talent, having to compete with the SEC and Big 12 for Texas players, and still playing in a division that has 4 teams consistently better. Money talks, but he has a good spot here. Ranking, competitive team, etc. Some will say "yeah, but you can't win a NC here". Guess what - ask Oklahoma and the Big 12 what chances anyone in that conference has. Ask the PAC-12. Then, consider how many fans of SEC schools, Arkansas included, live in some type of time warp where the calendar says 1962 (Ole Miss), 1998 (UT), etc. Outside of Petrino's couple of good years, this is not an SEC power. Their fans, however think they are. That is not a good formula to maintain receiving a paycheck for more than about 2 years. There, that's my $.02

(11-11-2019 02:18 PM)tigerdave84701112 Wrote:  I don't feel like Arkansas will be relevant any time soon. He would be recruiting in a state with not a great deal of talent, having to compete with the SEC and Big 12 for Texas players, and still playing in a division that has 4 teams consistently better. Money talks, but he has a good spot here. Ranking, competitive team, etc. Some will say "yeah, but you can't win a NC here". Guess what - ask Oklahoma and the Big 12 what chances anyone in that conference has. Ask the PAC-12. Then, consider how many fans of SEC schools, Arkansas included, live in some type of time warp where the calendar says 1962 (Ole Miss), 1998 (UT), etc. Outside of Petrino's couple of good years, this is not an SEC power. Their fans, however think they are. That is not a good formula to maintain receiving a paycheck for more than about 2 years. There, that's my $.02

I hope he stays here; but if he did go to Arkansas; I can see him making Memphis a recruiting priority ... Lots of talent leave the city to go to the SEC ..... He already has name recognition with the area coaches, and I could see him selling Arkansas (as an SEC school ) to Memphis area kids, where he has had trouble keeping the 4 and 5 star types in the city to play for the Tigers ...

You know, Les Miles would be a decent idea. What the guy has done at Kansas has been pretty amazing. And he knows how to win in the SEC west.

Les may be thinking that he could challenge the B12 and have a road to the NC at Kansas, so it may be a mott point.

(11-11-2019 02:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  You know, Les Miles would be a decent idea. What the guy has done at Kansas has been pretty amazing. And he knows how to win in the SEC west.

Les may be thinking that he could challenge the B12 and have a road to the NC at Kansas, so it may be a mott point.

Miles was a homerun hire for KS, and likely was a factor in AR deciding to do what they did (and any other schools that have the unproven notion that something as simple as a coaching change can influence positive outcomes immediately). That is what a good coach brings you, basically same talent, 1st year, and goes to Austin and battles it nose to nose with UTA.

As much as there is talk about how bad the AR job is, the other part that isn't talked about enough is his confidence in himself to produce. If he believes he can turn it around he will go.

As for AR not having a lot of talent, that's pretty irrelevant. A lot if not most of Norvell's recruits have been outside TN so he should be able to recruit outside of AR. Here are the 2020 commits as an example.
https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Se...l/Commits/

Not saying I want him to go, but it feels like certain things are being ignored as to why he shouldn't go to AR.

What all of you don't know is CMN Does Not want to be that close to the in-laws... Take it for what it's worth....

(11-11-2019 02:53 PM)Alanda Wrote:  As much as there is talk about how bad the AR job is, the other part that isn't talked about enough is his confidence in himself to produce. If he believes he can turn it around he will go.

As for AR not having a lot of talent, that's pretty irrelevant. A lot if not most of Norvell's recruits have been outside TN so he should be able to recruit outside of AR. Here are the 2020 commits as an example.
https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Se...l/Commits/

Not saying I want him to go, but it feels like certain things are being ignored as to why he shouldn't go to AR.

(11-11-2019 02:53 PM)Alanda Wrote:  As much as there is talk about how bad the AR job is, the other part that isn't talked about enough is his confidence in himself to produce. If he believes he can turn it around he will go.

As for AR not having a lot of talent, that's pretty irrelevant. A lot if not most of Norvell's recruits have been outside TN so he should be able to recruit outside of AR. Here are the 2020 commits as an example.
https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Se...l/Commits/

Not saying I want him to go, but it feels like certain things are being ignored as to why he shouldn't go to AR.

I'm not going to look it up but how many 5* recruits are in the state of AR annually maybe 1-2? Norvell can't recruit Memphis level and beat Bama, LSU, Auburn or even aTm consistently. So where's he going to get them TX, OK - don't think so with consistency. Can't win consistently at AR, wait on a job that provides that opportunity, maybe FSU now, maybe Auburn or maybe even a more premo job if he waits for several years & continues to win big at Memphis. that my logic & my bet.

(11-11-2019 01:57 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You all are way underestimating the pull of family... Arkansas is attractive because of family more than anything. The guy has the possibility to be paid millions and be next door to family while coaching in the SEC. That is a very unique opportunity and the most attractive part of the job. He is young. If he is at Arkansas for three years and gets fired he will have no problem finding another multi-million dollar head coaching gig somewhere...

Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

Why take a job of that little potential when he can play for championships here - and still have, even enhance the opportunity for a premo job (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU (maybe now), UGA, UF, UT (Texas) at a future date - 5 to 10 yrs from now? It's a no brainer decision NOT to take a job like AR.

Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

As you have now said Norvell has connection to Central AR not AR. And other than the current LSU coach some 10 yrs later finding success as a P5 head coach none of the other attempts have. Yep where is Miles now - Kansas arguably the worst P5 FB school over the last 10 yrs. Is that the tract that would attract Norvell? Or what about Richt, resigned at Miami because he couldn't win. Is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Nutt, fired at AR & OM, is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Tuberville fired at Auburn & couldn't win at TT or Cincy, is that the tract Norvell wants? The point is that none of these guys will have made in total the salary Norvell will have made over his career if Norvell just stays at Memphis without interruptions of employment that taking bad jobs causes.

Are you being intentionally stupid?

Fayetteville, Springdale, Bentonville/Rogers are basically just a large metropolitan area and the largest revenue producing part of state. He is connected here In the Northwest corner of AR with the second largest MSA and three fortune 500 companies financially backing the school.
Central AR has the largest MSA and again some seriously deep pockets that back the program and he is connected here.
Fort Smith, "river valley" is the 3rd largest MSA in the state and he is connected there. If you are well connected in the 3 largest MSAs in the state of AR then you are connected to the entire state...

And you are just moving the target to make your point since your original statement was proven incorrect.

Belima - Anaylsit and now an NFL coordinator
Richt - Miami head coach
Muschamp - South Carolina head coach
Petrino - WKU head coach and then Louisville head coach
Houston Nutt - Ole Miss head coach and now a CBS analyst
Miles - $2.75 million/year to coach a school with no expectations
Sumlin - Arizona head coach and received a $10 million buyout

Those are all pretty cushy landing spots...

This idea that these coaches have gone to other schools and did not win. Is that because you cannot win at those schools or because they were not (or no longer) good coaches? Cincinatti has had several successful head coaches. So, was Cincy the problem or Tubberville at the end of his career? And many of those guys have made and are continuing to make just as much as Norvell will make at Memphis. Look, Arkansas is not a great job IMO, however, Norvell is not going anywhere expecting not to be able to win. He is not looking at past SEC coaches that have failed. He would expect himself to win. And if he did not, he is still assured financial security for the rest of his life and his kid's lives...

My point is simple. The money is there and his family is there. That will be a massive selling point and will be the predominant appeal of Arkansas. If Ole Miss or Miss State were open (jobs that I consider the same as AR) then I would agree that they would not be appealing to Norvell but AR has something to offer that the others do not.

I'm from TN & have family in TN, do you think that means you can just assume a connection to UTK. That would be a bad assumption - I not only don't give a damn about UTK, I have in fact a very negative opinion of UTK. So how does going to different school in the state of AR and having family in AR give Norvell a "connection" to the university of Arkansas?

(11-11-2019 04:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 02:53 PM)Alanda Wrote:  As much as there is talk about how bad the AR job is, the other part that isn't talked about enough is his confidence in himself to produce. If he believes he can turn it around he will go.

As for AR not having a lot of talent, that's pretty irrelevant. A lot if not most of Norvell's recruits have been outside TN so he should be able to recruit outside of AR. Here are the 2020 commits as an example.
https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Se...l/Commits/

Not saying I want him to go, but it feels like certain things are being ignored as to why he shouldn't go to AR.

I'm not going to look it up but how many 5* recruits are in the state of AR annually maybe 1-2? Norvell can't recruit Memphis level and beat Bama, LSU, Auburn or even aTm consistently. So where's he going to get them TX, OK - don't think so with consistency. Can't win consistently at AR, wait on a job that provides that opportunity, maybe FSU now, maybe Auburn or maybe even a more premo job if he waits for several years & continues to win big at Memphis. that my logic & my bet.

Morris still managed a 2019 class ranked 23rd according to 247 and Norvell is arguably the better recruiter. Especially when he can say look what he did for players like Pollard and Henderson. So it can be believed he would recruit higher than "Memphis level". And as far as other states go, only so many can go to OU, UT, A&M, and LSU.

And heck after several years Memphis might be in a P5 for all we know so he might not even have a need to move.

What we cannot tell from the situation:

How much different will the pay package be from the Hogs vs. us;
How much weight CMN puts on that difference in pay;
How much CMN wants to be in Arkansas;
How much CMN wants to 'win it all' versus 'play and win in the SEC'.

In terms of the last one, the Hogs have been to ONE BCS game in 20 years and that was with Petrino, in his fourth season. That game was 2011.

Of course, in 2008, the Hogs had just come off of a very good, very solid 10-year run with Houston Nutt.

In other words, the Hogs job was much more attractive then as it is now and Petrino's scumminess was not fully known. A good fit for each over.

CMN is 38 years old. He knows he's a hot commodity and has the luxury of picking his next job with patience. His agent is probably thinking 'I can get a major chunk of money with either a re-location OR a re-negotiation.'

So, when he's on the radio saying 'yeah, I like Memphis'...but NOT 'yeah, I love Memphis and Memphis is the only place for me', it could just as easily be an agent-based strategy to get more money from Memphis than it is a hint about the likelihood of taking the Arkansas job.

I would say there's a 40% chance of him going.

Arkansas fans...please

Don’t look for affirmations here

Grow up, find an Arkansas board, and plenty of people will tell you how great you are

(11-11-2019 04:47 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 04:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 02:53 PM)Alanda Wrote:  As much as there is talk about how bad the AR job is, the other part that isn't talked about enough is his confidence in himself to produce. If he believes he can turn it around he will go.

As for AR not having a lot of talent, that's pretty irrelevant. A lot if not most of Norvell's recruits have been outside TN so he should be able to recruit outside of AR. Here are the 2020 commits as an example.
https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Se...l/Commits/

Not saying I want him to go, but it feels like certain things are being ignored as to why he shouldn't go to AR.

I'm not going to look it up but how many 5* recruits are in the state of AR annually maybe 1-2? Norvell can't recruit Memphis level and beat Bama, LSU, Auburn or even aTm consistently. So where's he going to get them TX, OK - don't think so with consistency. Can't win consistently at AR, wait on a job that provides that opportunity, maybe FSU now, maybe Auburn or maybe even a more premo job if he waits for several years & continues to win big at Memphis. that my logic & my bet.

Morris still managed a 2019 class ranked 23rd according to 247 and Norvell is arguably the better recruiter. Especially when he can say look what he did for players like Pollard and Henderson. So it can be believed he would recruit higher than "Memphis level". And as far as other states go, only so many can go to OU, UT, A&M, and LSU.

And heck after several years Memphis might be in a P5 for all we know so he might not even have a need to move.

More reason not to want to work for the AR admin - they hire a spread type offensive coach to replace a B1G run up the middle oriented coach, to work with players recruited for the previous style & then give him only one full recruiting cycle to compete with his spread offense. Just dumb & irresponsible - and they won't pay their previous coach what is owed him under his contract. Again, who'd want to work for that bunch?

(11-11-2019 04:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:57 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

Why take a job of that little potential when he can play for championships here - and still have, even enhance the opportunity for a premo job (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU (maybe now), UGA, UF, UT (Texas) at a future date - 5 to 10 yrs from now? It's a no brainer decision NOT to take a job like AR.

Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

As you have now said Norvell has connection to Central AR not AR. And other than the current LSU coach some 10 yrs later finding success as a P5 head coach none of the other attempts have. Yep where is Miles now - Kansas arguably the worst P5 FB school over the last 10 yrs. Is that the tract that would attract Norvell? Or what about Richt, resigned at Miami because he couldn't win. Is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Nutt, fired at AR & OM, is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Tuberville fired at Auburn & couldn't win at TT or Cincy, is that the tract Norvell wants? The point is that none of these guys will have made in total the salary Norvell will have made over his career if Norvell just stays at Memphis without interruptions of employment that taking bad jobs causes.

Are you being intentionally stupid?

Fayetteville, Springdale, Bentonville/Rogers are basically just a large metropolitan area and the largest revenue producing part of state. He is connected here In the Northwest corner of AR with the second largest MSA and three fortune 500 companies financially backing the school.
Central AR has the largest MSA and again some seriously deep pockets that back the program and he is connected here.
Fort Smith, "river valley" is the 3rd largest MSA in the state and he is connected there. If you are well connected in the 3 largest MSAs in the state of AR then you are connected to the entire state...

And you are just moving the target to make your point since your original statement was proven incorrect.

Belima - Anaylsit and now an NFL coordinator
Richt - Miami head coach
Muschamp - South Carolina head coach
Petrino - WKU head coach and then Louisville head coach
Houston Nutt - Ole Miss head coach and now a CBS analyst
Miles - $2.75 million/year to coach a school with no expectations
Sumlin - Arizona head coach and received a $10 million buyout

Those are all pretty cushy landing spots...

This idea that these coaches have gone to other schools and did not win. Is that because you cannot win at those schools or because they were not (or no longer) good coaches? Cincinatti has had several successful head coaches. So, was Cincy the problem or Tubberville at the end of his career? And many of those guys have made and are continuing to make just as much as Norvell will make at Memphis. Look, Arkansas is not a great job IMO, however, Norvell is not going anywhere expecting not to be able to win. He is not looking at past SEC coaches that have failed. He would expect himself to win. And if he did not, he is still assured financial security for the rest of his life and his kid's lives...

My point is simple. The money is there and his family is there. That will be a massive selling point and will be the predominant appeal of Arkansas. If Ole Miss or Miss State were open (jobs that I consider the same as AR) then I would agree that they would not be appealing to Norvell but AR has something to offer that the others do not.

I'm from TN & have family in TN, do you think that means you can just assume a connection to UTK. That would be a bad assumption - I not only don't give a damn about UTK, I have in fact a very negative opinion of UTK. So how does going to different school in the state of AR and having family in AR give Norvell a "connection" to the university of Arkansas?

Your quote... "Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family"

You say something completely unfounded are proven wrong and then just change the target. This started as me saying the attraction as being so close to family, not going back to a school he has an alma mater "connection" to. He is connected to Arkansas and throughout Arkansas in general. Again, a stupid comment about a "connection to the UofA". But to shoot down your attempt to move the target, his wife's family has several graduates from the UofA. But go ahead and move the target some more and keep digging that hole about how Norvell has no family connections that would draw him to Arkansas...

(11-11-2019 04:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:57 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Never say never but your logic is faulty - 1) Norvell has no connection to AR & is about as close here as there to his family, (2 Norvell is being paid millions here & would likely make about $1M/yr more at AR for 3 yrs before he is fired, 3) name one fired SEC HC coach that has found another "multi-million dollar P-5 job after? & 4) AR is currently NOT paying Beilema money owed him since they fired him - who would want that?

Why take a job of that little potential when he can play for championships here - and still have, even enhance the opportunity for a premo job (Bama, Auburn, LSU, FSU (maybe now), UGA, UF, UT (Texas) at a future date - 5 to 10 yrs from now? It's a no brainer decision NOT to take a job like AR.

Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

As you have now said Norvell has connection to Central AR not AR. And other than the current LSU coach some 10 yrs later finding success as a P5 head coach none of the other attempts have. Yep where is Miles now - Kansas arguably the worst P5 FB school over the last 10 yrs. Is that the tract that would attract Norvell? Or what about Richt, resigned at Miami because he couldn't win. Is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Nutt, fired at AR & OM, is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Tuberville fired at Auburn & couldn't win at TT or Cincy, is that the tract Norvell wants? The point is that none of these guys will have made in total the salary Norvell will have made over his career if Norvell just stays at Memphis without interruptions of employment that taking bad jobs causes.

Are you being intentionally stupid?

Fayetteville, Springdale, Bentonville/Rogers are basically just a large metropolitan area and the largest revenue producing part of state. He is connected here In the Northwest corner of AR with the second largest MSA and three fortune 500 companies financially backing the school.
Central AR has the largest MSA and again some seriously deep pockets that back the program and he is connected here.
Fort Smith, "river valley" is the 3rd largest MSA in the state and he is connected there. If you are well connected in the 3 largest MSAs in the state of AR then you are connected to the entire state...

And you are just moving the target to make your point since your original statement was proven incorrect.

Belima - Anaylsit and now an NFL coordinator
Richt - Miami head coach
Muschamp - South Carolina head coach
Petrino - WKU head coach and then Louisville head coach
Houston Nutt - Ole Miss head coach and now a CBS analyst
Miles - $2.75 million/year to coach a school with no expectations
Sumlin - Arizona head coach and received a $10 million buyout

Those are all pretty cushy landing spots...

This idea that these coaches have gone to other schools and did not win. Is that because you cannot win at those schools or because they were not (or no longer) good coaches? Cincinatti has had several successful head coaches. So, was Cincy the problem or Tubberville at the end of his career? And many of those guys have made and are continuing to make just as much as Norvell will make at Memphis. Look, Arkansas is not a great job IMO, however, Norvell is not going anywhere expecting not to be able to win. He is not looking at past SEC coaches that have failed. He would expect himself to win. And if he did not, he is still assured financial security for the rest of his life and his kid's lives...

My point is simple. The money is there and his family is there. That will be a massive selling point and will be the predominant appeal of Arkansas. If Ole Miss or Miss State were open (jobs that I consider the same as AR) then I would agree that they would not be appealing to Norvell but AR has something to offer that the others do not.

I'm from TN & have family in TN, do you think that means you can just assume a connection to UTK. That would be a bad assumption - I not only don't give a damn about UTK, I have in fact a very negative opinion of UTK. So how does going to different school in the state of AR and having family in AR give Norvell a "connection" to the university of Arkansas?

The difference is Tennessee has two SEC programs and a very good G5 program, not to mention the pro teams. Arkansas is like Nebraska or somewhat like Louisiana in that everything revolves around one school and everyone from there usually gravitates toward one team.

(11-11-2019 05:36 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 04:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:57 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:01 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Nah, you just have no idea what you are talking about.

No connections to AR?

1. Played college football at UCA (University of Central Arkansas) - Conway, AR, basically a suburb of Little Rock
2. His wife was born and raised in Fort Smith, AR (her parents still live there) - 45 minutes south of Fayetteville
3. His brother in law and child live in Springdale, AR about 20 minutes from the UofA's campus
4. Novell and his wife own a lake house on Beaver Lake - about 45 minutes from the UfoA's campus

But ya, other than that he has no connections to AR... Just spend about 30 seconds googling your questions about SEC coaches that were fired and then found new jobs paying millions. It is pretty simple and there is a long list. In fact, I believe one of them, Les Miles, is a dark horse for the Arkansas job because he has already coached and had success in the SEC west and had good success rebuilding Oklahoma State and has Kansas on the same track.

As you have now said Norvell has connection to Central AR not AR. And other than the current LSU coach some 10 yrs later finding success as a P5 head coach none of the other attempts have. Yep where is Miles now - Kansas arguably the worst P5 FB school over the last 10 yrs. Is that the tract that would attract Norvell? Or what about Richt, resigned at Miami because he couldn't win. Is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Nutt, fired at AR & OM, is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Tuberville fired at Auburn & couldn't win at TT or Cincy, is that the tract Norvell wants? The point is that none of these guys will have made in total the salary Norvell will have made over his career if Norvell just stays at Memphis without interruptions of employment that taking bad jobs causes.

Are you being intentionally stupid?

Fayetteville, Springdale, Bentonville/Rogers are basically just a large metropolitan area and the largest revenue producing part of state. He is connected here In the Northwest corner of AR with the second largest MSA and three fortune 500 companies financially backing the school.
Central AR has the largest MSA and again some seriously deep pockets that back the program and he is connected here.
Fort Smith, "river valley" is the 3rd largest MSA in the state and he is connected there. If you are well connected in the 3 largest MSAs in the state of AR then you are connected to the entire state...

And you are just moving the target to make your point since your original statement was proven incorrect.

Belima - Anaylsit and now an NFL coordinator
Richt - Miami head coach
Muschamp - South Carolina head coach
Petrino - WKU head coach and then Louisville head coach
Houston Nutt - Ole Miss head coach and now a CBS analyst
Miles - $2.75 million/year to coach a school with no expectations
Sumlin - Arizona head coach and received a $10 million buyout

Those are all pretty cushy landing spots...

This idea that these coaches have gone to other schools and did not win. Is that because you cannot win at those schools or because they were not (or no longer) good coaches? Cincinatti has had several successful head coaches. So, was Cincy the problem or Tubberville at the end of his career? And many of those guys have made and are continuing to make just as much as Norvell will make at Memphis. Look, Arkansas is not a great job IMO, however, Norvell is not going anywhere expecting not to be able to win. He is not looking at past SEC coaches that have failed. He would expect himself to win. And if he did not, he is still assured financial security for the rest of his life and his kid's lives...

My point is simple. The money is there and his family is there. That will be a massive selling point and will be the predominant appeal of Arkansas. If Ole Miss or Miss State were open (jobs that I consider the same as AR) then I would agree that they would not be appealing to Norvell but AR has something to offer that the others do not.

I'm from TN & have family in TN, do you think that means you can just assume a connection to UTK. That would be a bad assumption - I not only don't give a damn about UTK, I have in fact a very negative opinion of UTK. So how does going to different school in the state of AR and having family in AR give Norvell a "connection" to the university of Arkansas?

The difference is Tennessee has two SEC programs and a very good G5 program, not to mention the pro teams. Arkansas is like Nebraska or somewhat like Louisiana in that everything revolves around one school and everyone from there usually gravitates toward one team.

You hit the nail on the head irt Nebraska. Both have been irrelevant for the past decade. They are both in the wrong leauge and won’t be able to maintain any amount of success until that changes.

(11-11-2019 05:45 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 05:36 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 04:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:57 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  As you have now said Norvell has connection to Central AR not AR. And other than the current LSU coach some 10 yrs later finding success as a P5 head coach none of the other attempts have. Yep where is Miles now - Kansas arguably the worst P5 FB school over the last 10 yrs. Is that the tract that would attract Norvell? Or what about Richt, resigned at Miami because he couldn't win. Is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Nutt, fired at AR & OM, is that the tract Norvell wants? Or Tuberville fired at Auburn & couldn't win at TT or Cincy, is that the tract Norvell wants? The point is that none of these guys will have made in total the salary Norvell will have made over his career if Norvell just stays at Memphis without interruptions of employment that taking bad jobs causes.

Are you being intentionally stupid?

Fayetteville, Springdale, Bentonville/Rogers are basically just a large metropolitan area and the largest revenue producing part of state. He is connected here In the Northwest corner of AR with the second largest MSA and three fortune 500 companies financially backing the school.
Central AR has the largest MSA and again some seriously deep pockets that back the program and he is connected here.
Fort Smith, "river valley" is the 3rd largest MSA in the state and he is connected there. If you are well connected in the 3 largest MSAs in the state of AR then you are connected to the entire state...

And you are just moving the target to make your point since your original statement was proven incorrect.

Belima - Anaylsit and now an NFL coordinator
Richt - Miami head coach
Muschamp - South Carolina head coach
Petrino - WKU head coach and then Louisville head coach
Houston Nutt - Ole Miss head coach and now a CBS analyst
Miles - $2.75 million/year to coach a school with no expectations
Sumlin - Arizona head coach and received a $10 million buyout

Those are all pretty cushy landing spots...

This idea that these coaches have gone to other schools and did not win. Is that because you cannot win at those schools or because they were not (or no longer) good coaches? Cincinatti has had several successful head coaches. So, was Cincy the problem or Tubberville at the end of his career? And many of those guys have made and are continuing to make just as much as Norvell will make at Memphis. Look, Arkansas is not a great job IMO, however, Norvell is not going anywhere expecting not to be able to win. He is not looking at past SEC coaches that have failed. He would expect himself to win. And if he did not, he is still assured financial security for the rest of his life and his kid's lives...

My point is simple. The money is there and his family is there. That will be a massive selling point and will be the predominant appeal of Arkansas. If Ole Miss or Miss State were open (jobs that I consider the same as AR) then I would agree that they would not be appealing to Norvell but AR has something to offer that the others do not.

I'm from TN & have family in TN, do you think that means you can just assume a connection to UTK. That would be a bad assumption - I not only don't give a damn about UTK, I have in fact a very negative opinion of UTK. So how does going to different school in the state of AR and having family in AR give Norvell a "connection" to the university of Arkansas?

The difference is Tennessee has two SEC programs and a very good G5 program, not to mention the pro teams. Arkansas is like Nebraska or somewhat like Louisiana in that everything revolves around one school and everyone from there usually gravitates toward one team.

You hit the nail on the head irt Nebraska. Both have been irrelevant for the past decade. They are both in the wrong leauge and won’t be able to maintain any amount of success until that changes.

And Missouri

(11-11-2019 05:10 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 04:47 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 04:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 02:53 PM)Alanda Wrote:  As much as there is talk about how bad the AR job is, the other part that isn't talked about enough is his confidence in himself to produce. If he believes he can turn it around he will go.

As for AR not having a lot of talent, that's pretty irrelevant. A lot if not most of Norvell's recruits have been outside TN so he should be able to recruit outside of AR. Here are the 2020 commits as an example.
https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Se...l/Commits/

Not saying I want him to go, but it feels like certain things are being ignored as to why he shouldn't go to AR.

I'm not going to look it up but how many 5* recruits are in the state of AR annually maybe 1-2? Norvell can't recruit Memphis level and beat Bama, LSU, Auburn or even aTm consistently. So where's he going to get them TX, OK - don't think so with consistency. Can't win consistently at AR, wait on a job that provides that opportunity, maybe FSU now, maybe Auburn or maybe even a more premo job if he waits for several years & continues to win big at Memphis. that my logic & my bet.

Morris still managed a 2019 class ranked 23rd according to 247 and Norvell is arguably the better recruiter. Especially when he can say look what he did for players like Pollard and Henderson. So it can be believed he would recruit higher than "Memphis level". And as far as other states go, only so many can go to OU, UT, A&M, and LSU.

And heck after several years Memphis might be in a P5 for all we know so he might not even have a need to move.

More reason not to want to work for the AR admin - they hire a spread type offensive coach to replace a B1G run up the middle oriented coach, to work with players recruited for the previous style & then give him only one full recruiting cycle to compete with his spread offense. Just dumb & irresponsible - and they won't pay their previous coach what is owed him under his contract. Again, who'd want to work for that bunch?

Similar to what I said in the first post. Someone confident enough in themself to believe they can turn it around and produce. Morris set the record for worst start in school history. Even without "his players" that's an amazing feat. You have to go back to the 40's for #2 and #3. I haven't watched any AR games, but looking at their schedule they seemed to lose (and get whooped) in some games they shouldn't have.

My guess is that Morris did a poor job of maximizing strengths and minimizing weaknesses of what he did have on his teams and then players eventually checked out on him. The 2017 team still seemed to win the games they were supposed to even though they had a poor record.

It's hard for me to call it dumb and irresponsible if they took what they could get for a coach. I'd say it was poor evaluation when they could have possibly gotten Norvell the first go around.