(11-11-2019 01:16 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  The Tuohy's did not help Oher to get him to go to Ole miss,
Penny did not help Wiseman to get him to go to Memphis.

This is the bottom line.

Everyone knows this...except the NCAA.

It's interesting that they supposedly can't distinguish between an agent giving Corey Maggette a few grand and someone giving Lance Thomas $100K in jewelry between a high school coach legitimately trying to help a family in need.

(11-11-2019 01:16 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  The Tuohy's did not help Oher to get him to go to Ole miss,
Penny did not help Wiseman to get him to go to Memphis.

This is the bottom line.

Pretty much, sometimes it is just compassion..

I don't know where the Tuohys guided Oher but Penny was sending his players to Kentucky, UAB and Wichita State etc

Oher / Touhy is the same as Alo / Hardaway.

Wiseman is a different animal.

(11-11-2019 01:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:16 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  The Tuohy's did not help Oher to get him to go to Ole miss,
Penny did not help Wiseman to get him to go to Memphis.

This is the bottom line.

Everyone knows this...except the NCAA.

It's interesting that they supposedly can't distinguish between an agent giving Corey Maggette a few grand and someone giving Lance Thomas $100K in jewelry between a high school coach legitimately trying to help a family in need.

Y'all are trying to make Penny seem like a saint here...

Penny wanted Wiseman to play for him in Memphis...He wasn't just being a philanthropist.

That said he definitely didn't bring Wiseman to Memphis to get him to go the U of M...I think that is very clear based on where all of Penny's other players committed to prior to Penny getting the job.

(11-11-2019 04:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:16 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  The Tuohy's did not help Oher to get him to go to Ole miss,
Penny did not help Wiseman to get him to go to Memphis.

This is the bottom line.

Everyone knows this...except the NCAA.

It's interesting that they supposedly can't distinguish between an agent giving Corey Maggette a few grand and someone giving Lance Thomas $100K in jewelry between a high school coach legitimately trying to help a family in need.

Y'all are trying to make Penny seem like a saint here...

Penny wanted Wiseman to play for him in Memphis...He wasn't just being a philanthropist.

That said he definitely didn't bring Wiseman to Memphis to get him to go the U of M...I think that is very clear based on where all of Penny's other players committed to prior to Penny getting the job.

Which is allowed based upon the NCAA bylaws.

(11-11-2019 04:56 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 04:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 01:16 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  The Tuohy's did not help Oher to get him to go to Ole miss,
Penny did not help Wiseman to get him to go to Memphis.

This is the bottom line.

Everyone knows this...except the NCAA.

It's interesting that they supposedly can't distinguish between an agent giving Corey Maggette a few grand and someone giving Lance Thomas $100K in jewelry between a high school coach legitimately trying to help a family in need.

Y'all are trying to make Penny seem like a saint here...

Penny wanted Wiseman to play for him in Memphis...He wasn't just being a philanthropist.

That said he definitely didn't bring Wiseman to Memphis to get him to go the U of M...I think that is very clear based on where all of Penny's other players committed to prior to Penny getting the job.

Which is allowed based upon the NCAA bylaws.

I don't disagree...

(11-11-2019 10:28 AM)tigerbmw Wrote:  Explain the difference?

you bring a good point my friend. Hopefully, our lawyers are thinking the same.

Yeah. Let's use the "we didnt do anything wrong, like Ole Miss defense"

Bold strategy

(11-11-2019 06:13 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Yeah. Let's us the "we didnt do anything wrong, like Ole Miss defense"

Bold strategy

We can go ahead and close this thread now.

Penny obviously wanted Wiseman to play for him, but secretly helping with moving expenses probably had less of an effect than being around him every day for years.

It's absurd to act like this payment swayed a future multimillionaire and should be pressed as much as the rules allow. It's nearer to NOTHING, in college sports terms.

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:13 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:57 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:28 AM)tigerbmw Wrote:  Explain the difference?

Explain the similarities

If you've read the thread, others have done so eloquently.

Yeah it is still very different.

Can you prove that the Touhy's began their relationship with Oher because of his football prowess?

The Touhy's would also be considered family members of a teammate which are allowed to provide reasonable living expenses.

They didn't adopt his 10 brothers and sisters. I wonder why?

(11-11-2019 07:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:13 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:57 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:28 AM)tigerbmw Wrote:  Explain the difference?

Explain the similarities

If you've read the thread, others have done so eloquently.

Yeah it is still very different.

Can you prove that the Touhy's began their relationship with Oher because of his football prowess?

The Touhy's would also be considered family members of a teammate which are allowed to provide reasonable living expenses.

They didn't adopt his 10 brothers and sisters. I wonder why?

They didn’t adopt his Mom, nor any gay kids. I wonder why? Maybe they’re misogynistic homophobes?

OR maybe they’re just normal people who adopt one kid instead of eleven?

(11-11-2019 07:18 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 07:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:13 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 11:57 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Explain the similarities

If you've read the thread, others have done so eloquently.

Yeah it is still very different.

Can you prove that the Touhy's began their relationship with Oher because of his football prowess?

The Touhy's would also be considered family members of a teammate which are allowed to provide reasonable living expenses.

They didn't adopt his 10 brothers and sisters. I wonder why?

They didn’t adopt his Mom, nor any gay kids. I wonder why? Maybe they’re misogynistic homophobes?

OR maybe they’re just normal people who adopt one kid instead of eleven?

Or maybe they wanted him to go to old mrs to play football?

(11-11-2019 06:45 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  Penny obviously wanted Wiseman to play for him, but secretly helping with moving expenses probably had less of an effect than being around him every day for years.

It's absurd to act like this payment swayed a future multimillionaire and should be pressed as much as the rules allow. It's nearer to NOTHING, in college sports terms.

At the time that he helped him move Penny wanted him to play for KY.

That's the other part that's wild. The only thing that made James Wiseman a Memphis Tiger was the immediate failure of the Tubby Smith era. That's the only thing that put Penny in this position likely years ahead of schedule and made joining him in college an option to James. Now the NCAA is pulling out everything it can to prevent it from happening after initially saying "checks out i guess" until it's too late to not damage people.

For something done with next to NO malice aforethought, as compared to the vast majority of college sports dealings, it just seems needlessly spiteful even for them.

(11-11-2019 07:55 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 07:18 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 07:05 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:13 PM)tigerbmw Wrote:  If you've read the thread, others have done so eloquently.

Yeah it is still very different.

Can you prove that the Touhy's began their relationship with Oher because of his football prowess?

The Touhy's would also be considered family members of a teammate which are allowed to provide reasonable living expenses.

They didn't adopt his 10 brothers and sisters. I wonder why?

They didn’t adopt his Mom, nor any gay kids. I wonder why? Maybe they’re misogynistic homophobes?

OR maybe they’re just normal people who adopt one kid instead of eleven?

Or maybe they wanted him to go to old mrs to play football?

winner winner
what a coincidence that they decide to adopt one kid - and he turns out to be an NFL player

(11-11-2019 01:37 PM)mapdude Wrote:  Oher / Touhy is the same as Alo / Hardaway.

Wiseman is a different animal.

Not quite.
A-lo has never been expected to be a future millionaire pro athlete - and especially not when Penny began his mentorship.
Oher and Wiseman have.