(11-10-2019 10:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 09:23 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  this is why I put LBJ at top of the worst of the worst relative to intentional malice....
Carter and Zero were nothing but a pair of widgets....
it's a shame....it didn't have to play out this way....
fwiw, Reagan and the Bush's weren't much better either...
it's ironic that I view Billy bobbin' for apples as the best in my lifetime....outside of NAFTA, his policies and communicable skill set within the swamp was solid....

I put Reagan #1 in my lifetime. Winning the Cold War (and he put us on that track, even if it did end after his watch) and reforming the tax code, not once but twice (the second time with democrats Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt), were accomplishments that shaped the last 30 years. Unfortunately, Europe figured out the virtues of Reaganomics better than we did, and we let them operate with generally lower income tax rates than we have for the last 10-20 (depending on the country) years.

I put Bill Clinton #2. The last democrat, really the last from either party, who could reach across the aisle and get anything done. I really hoped that he and Newt would reprise the old Ike/LBJ/Mr. Sam Bourbon-and-branch 5 o'clock get-togethers where they ran the country. But Newt is one of these great idea guys that you can't really let run anything. Monicagate is where R's lost the plot IMO. They could have passed Heritage health care and Bill would have signed it, and we would never have had the abomination that is Obamacare.

As for the rest:

Good--Truman, Ike, JFK
Bad--LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Shrub
Ugly--Zero. Carter

Biggest disappointment--GHWB, by far. Really nice man, we used to go to same church, had perfect background for the post-Cold-War transition. His weakness was domestic policy. To me, biggest problem was that he and Jack Kemp somehow couldn't get along. Make Kemp VP instead of loser Quayle, let Kemp handle domestic side, and I think he would have been far more successful.

Agree pretty much on Reagan. His renditions of FDR's fireside chats was a unifier. He was a cold warrior and did end it. Kemp could never have worked for HW. HW was a patrician beltway guy from the Intel side of things and only watched outward. He was also a buttoned down control freak. Kemp was his own man, not a patrician, not from inside the beltway, and therefore not acceptable to HW. Quayle was totally a go along and exactly what HW wanted.

Agree on Ike 100%. I liked JFK, liked Robert more. Bobby would have disconnected us from the Federal Reserve and the debt would never have ballooned like it did. Both were charismatic, but Bobby was the thinker and managed his zipper a lot better.

LBJ was a disaster. He hamstrung what had been a secure SSI for the Great Society, he was instrumental in the 50's as a Senator in getting the voice of the church silenced in American politics. And he was deep into the pockets of the very interests Ike warned us about.

Perot might have made a decent president but he didn't want it. He just wanted to screw up HW.

P.S. Reagan and O'Neill had a lot of off the record meetings where they got some things done as well. Back then I still believed in the 2 party system as it still functioned. The Iran / Contra hearings to me were the beginning of the breakdown. Johnson stressed the 2 party system. Nixon lost the public's trust. Ford was like the Cigarette Smoking Man taking power. Carter exhibited how an outsider couldn't function even within his own party. Regan, God bless him won most of us back. After Ollie North's defense partisanship started becoming the norm. Hanging chad lost the trust Reagan had regained. W made it seem like a family business. Obama betrayed the traditions that were all that kept the 2 party system functioning and when Alinsky politics took over we arrived where we are today. The Cavanaugh hearings were the wake up call to just how out of control things had gotten, and the constant assault on Trump says that no president in the future will ever be able to simply govern. It's going to be a struggle until it hits the streets where it will turn ugly enough that maybe we see again the need for an orderly transfer of power.

And adding to all of the stress was the invention of C-Span where some neophyte house member learned the power of speaking to an empty chamber for the sake of notoriety on TV. Since then the media has taken way too much control and the ability to get things done in private in the chamber has ended.

(11-10-2019 10:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 09:23 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  this is why I put LBJ at top of the worst of the worst relative to intentional malice....
Carter and Zero were nothing but a pair of widgets....
it's a shame....it didn't have to play out this way....
fwiw, Reagan and the Bush's weren't much better either...
it's ironic that I view Billy bobbin' for apples as the best in my lifetime....outside of NAFTA, his policies and communicable skill set within the swamp was solid....

I put Reagan #1 in my lifetime. Winning the Cold War (and he put us on that track, even if it did end after his watch) and reforming the tax code, not once but twice (the second time with democrats Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt), were accomplishments that shaped the last 30 years. Unfortunately, Europe figured out the virtues of Reaganomics better than we did, and we let them operate with generally lower income tax rates than we have for the last 10-20 (depending on the country) years.

I put Bill Clinton #2. The last democrat, really the last from either party, who could reach across the aisle and get anything done. I really hoped that he and Newt would reprise the old Ike/LBJ/Mr. Sam Bourbon-and-branch 5 o'clock get-togethers where they ran the country. But Newt is one of these great idea guys that you can't really let run anything. Monicagate is where R's lost the plot IMO. They could have passed Heritage health care and Bill would have signed it, and we would never have had the abomination that is Obamacare.

As for the rest:

Good--Truman, Ike, JFK
Bad--LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Shrub
Ugly--Zero. Carter

Biggest disappointment--GHWB, by far. Really nice man, we used to go to same church, had perfect background for the post-Cold-War transition. His weakness was domestic policy. To me, biggest problem was that he and Jack Kemp somehow couldn't get along. Make Kemp VP instead of loser Quayle, let Kemp handle domestic side, and I think he would have been far more successful.

he's the one I would absolutely love to have a pint or twenty with....I don't see any Glenlivet in that sit-down....

his stories along the way are things that can't be penned.....trust me....w/o knowing any personal info, I know the psyche...body language and the eyes never lie....

his problems were as you described plus the nepotism/revenge factor once acquiring the office....he simply wasn't smart enough on the macro side of the economic equation....

hence, hill-lair-liar would've been another - in a long list - of status quo 'fk all'....

(11-10-2019 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Agree pretty much on Reagan. His renditions of FDR's fireside chats was a unifier. He was a cold warrior and did end it. Kemp could never have worked for HW. HW was a patrician beltway guy from the Intel side of things and only watched outward. He was also a buttoned down control freak. Kemp was his own man, not a patrician, not from inside the beltway, and therefore not acceptable to HW. Quayle was totally a go along and exactly what HW wanted.

Agree about Kemp and HW, just think it's a shame. Bush was the perfect guy to handle foreign relations in the post-Cold-War era, and if he let Kemp handle domestic issues that would have covered his blind spot. Quayle obviously couldn't handle it. Although I had spent some time inside the Beltway (and would spend some more during the HW years) I guess the Bush-Kemp spat was really the first time I truly realized how great was the disconnect between the Beltway crowd and the rest of us. With Trump, that has become open warfare.

Quote:Agree on Ike 100%. I liked JFK, liked Robert more. Bobby would have disconnected us from the Federal Reserve and the debt would never have ballooned like it did. Both were charismatic, but Bobby was the thinker and managed his zipper a lot better.
LBJ was a disaster. He hamstrung what had been a secure SSI for the Great Society, he was instrumental in the 50's as a Senator in getting the voice of the church silenced in American politics. And he was deep into the pockets of the very interests Ike warned us about.
Perot might have made a decent president but he didn't want it. He just wanted to screw up HW.

I liked a lot of what Perot said, but he was mainly a one-issue guy--NAFTA--and I didn't agree with him on that. I thought it was imperative to get Mexico's economy going, or else we'd be dealing with what we are now dealing with on the border. Unfortunately, NAFTA wasn't enough. Somewhat oddly, Perot was actually a big free trade guy. He spent millions and called in a lot of favors to get Alliance Airport north on Fort Worth designated a free trade zone. Problem was, NAFTA imposed a severe downtick on the value of that facility. So he had wasted a bunch of money and political capital, and he was unhappy to say the least.

Quote:P.S. Reagan and O'Neill had a lot of off the record meetings where they got some things done as well. Back then I still believed in the 2 party system as it still functioned.

Yes they did. The problem I saw was that Tip didn't always deliver the democrat votes needed. In Cali Reagan had worked with Willie Brown (of Kamala fame) who ruled the legislature with an iron fist, and he expected Tip to deliver the way Willie did when they made a deal, and Tip just couldn't.

It simply amazes me that the Boudin clown talks about sympathy for the incarcerated. His parents drove the getaway car in the murder of two policemen and a security guard. Their lives ended and their families greatly affected.

I hope his father gets a big veiny **** in his arse nightly in prison, and I hope his mother has a permanent yeast infection, hemorrhoids, pink eye, gastric reflux and eczema. Because even with all of that, she is alive and three souls are dead, and she was a willing participant in their demise.

(11-10-2019 11:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  It simply amazes me that the Boudin clown talks about sympathy for the incarcerated. His parents drove the getaway car in the murder of two policemen and a security guard. Their lives ended and their families greatly affected.
I hope his father gets a big veiny **** in his arse nightly in prison, and I hope his mother has a permanent yeast infection, hemorrhoids, pink eye, gastric reflux and eczema. Because even with all of that, she is alive and three souls are dead, and she was a willing participant in their demise.

And I share those hopes.

Can we extend the wall to barrier California from Arizona, Nevada and Oregon too? Once they start sending nobody to jail its gonna get ugly.

(11-10-2019 08:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 07:49 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 07:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 07:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  what I want to know is.....who the fk thinks naming your newborn male "chesa" is a good fk'n idea....

what a shitehole of coagulated phlegm that place has become....

#fkEm

I have zero sympathy for those dipshites how this will eventually play out....

Nevada and Tejas on the other hand, should be very nervous at this point....toss in Colorado/Oregon/Washington states too...of course the latter crew has also been dicking themselves for a few decades now....

Stink, we are going to have to fight these imbeciles at some point in the future and it won't be out of hate, but for survival. Enough of them threaten the security of all of us.

And brother, there's no worse form of ignorance than ignorance that believes itself to be enlightened and above reproach. You can't educate those who simply refuse to listen to reason, are too lazy to research and read the truth for themselves, but who think those who do know should just knuckle under to their moronic and unsubstantiated beliefs. And unfortunately that's this crowd to a "T".

I cannot argue your point any other way....

the ol' adage of "can't fight the tape" is getting ready for an upgrade in "reality"....

JR, when I started posting (on this board) and why my sig lines are what they are is what my crew discussed many a moon ago....not all in the 'sip are racist dipshites....

again, it's only the when that is in question at this juncture....

Our enemies knew in the 1950's that the only way to defeat the economic juggernaut of the U.S.A. was to dumb us down and convince our children that their propaganda was true. Make 'em fat (no contact or rigorous PE in schools today), dumb (destroy logic and reason and dumb down math and science), and entitled (feeling like they aren't getting what they deserve) and they could destroy us from within by the rot and decay of the American spirit.

And here we are. Generations that embrace every form of immorality, believe that they are right because their teachers said so, despise those who are older and wiser, and think all their **** should be free. When the metal flies from our enemies and everything is on the line, I just wouldn't want them at my back. How 'bout you?

They will collaborate in a heartbeat if they think it spares them a moment's pain and will rat out their family and friends for the same.

And the really sad part is how quickly the enemy would genocide them without us to protect them. True Communists have no room or time for the unproductive. They need slave labor. And these kids today think socialism is their friend. That's the ultimate cuck hold!

One of our bedrocks as a country has always been loyalty to the country. The educated dummies out there now do not have these principles ingrained in them. Thus, we are seeing Manning Bergdahl and others who betray and will betray the country.


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(11-11-2019 01:10 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 08:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 07:49 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 07:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 07:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  what I want to know is.....who the fk thinks naming your newborn male "chesa" is a good fk'n idea....

what a shitehole of coagulated phlegm that place has become....

#fkEm

I have zero sympathy for those dipshites how this will eventually play out....

Nevada and Tejas on the other hand, should be very nervous at this point....toss in Colorado/Oregon/Washington states too...of course the latter crew has also been dicking themselves for a few decades now....

Stink, we are going to have to fight these imbeciles at some point in the future and it won't be out of hate, but for survival. Enough of them threaten the security of all of us.

And brother, there's no worse form of ignorance than ignorance that believes itself to be enlightened and above reproach. You can't educate those who simply refuse to listen to reason, are too lazy to research and read the truth for themselves, but who think those who do know should just knuckle under to their moronic and unsubstantiated beliefs. And unfortunately that's this crowd to a "T".

I cannot argue your point any other way....

the ol' adage of "can't fight the tape" is getting ready for an upgrade in "reality"....

JR, when I started posting (on this board) and why my sig lines are what they are is what my crew discussed many a moon ago....not all in the 'sip are racist dipshites....

again, it's only the when that is in question at this juncture....

Our enemies knew in the 1950's that the only way to defeat the economic juggernaut of the U.S.A. was to dumb us down and convince our children that their propaganda was true. Make 'em fat (no contact or rigorous PE in schools today), dumb (destroy logic and reason and dumb down math and science), and entitled (feeling like they aren't getting what they deserve) and they could destroy us from within by the rot and decay of the American spirit.

And here we are. Generations that embrace every form of immorality, believe that they are right because their teachers said so, despise those who are older and wiser, and think all their **** should be free. When the metal flies from our enemies and everything is on the line, I just wouldn't want them at my back. How 'bout you?

They will collaborate in a heartbeat if they think it spares them a moment's pain and will rat out their family and friends for the same.

And the really sad part is how quickly the enemy would genocide them without us to protect them. True Communists have no room or time for the unproductive. They need slave labor. And these kids today think socialism is their friend. That's the ultimate cuck hold!

One of our bedrocks as a country has always been loyalty to the country. The educated dummies out there now do not have these principles ingrained in them. Thus, we are seeing Manning Bergdahl and others who betray and will betray the country.


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the extremely sad part of all of this is that the kids are no longer taught that in spite of our problems we are still the best country out there when weighing our freedoms, responsibilities, and quality of life as one.

We never had to reinforce love of country by force like the communist countries do. There was a natural love for our way of life. What other country in the world would treat illegals at their hospitals at their taxpayer's expense. In what other country could the civil rights movement have happened relatively peacefully while the majority reflected upon the issues that prompted it rather than calling out the military to squelch it.

We all owe those who went before us a debt. We exist on the sacrifices of our fathers.

But I guess in a world literally filled with bastards who had no family life because immorality posing as liberal ideals robbed them of any semblance of a family you don't have a father to associate with let alone to recognize and honor his sacrifices for you. Instead we are telling all of the kids that government is responsible for them so their frustrations are taken out on the wrong authority figure.

Destroy the family and you destroy the engine of loyalty to things other than self. And that's where we are.