(11-12-2019 02:57 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:52 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  A booster to me is a consistent everyday booster that is on the list. Giving a one time donation isn’t a booster. A booster to me is someone that is constantly running the show everyday, not a one time giver. Penny isn’t a booster. Who are the consistent boosters on the list, anyways? Those are the ones.

Gary & barbara bryant donated a one time 13 million dollar donation... so theyre not a booster to you?

i would imagine the byrd brothers...fred smith...alan graf.. those kind of people

Did the Bryant’s and Byrd’s become the head coach of their preferred school and helped a kid years before they became that coach?

See Penny is a very unique person in a very unique situation. An AAU/H.S. coach that straight way years later became the head coach of his Alma mater in his hometown. It’s a fact that nowhere was he steering his kids ‘as a booster’ to his Alma mater but was giving back to his community in helping kids years before he became a college head coach

The NCAA should had reasonably looked at this unique situation and see there was no ‘there’ there.

They were looking at the letter of the bylaws more than looking at the spirit of the bylaws. Seems to me they were doing a favor for someone who had an ax to grind against Penny

(11-12-2019 03:17 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Did the Bryant’s and Byrd’s become the head coach of their preferred school and helped a kid years before they became that coach?

See Penny is a very unique person in a very unique situation. An AAU/H.S. coach that straight way years later became the head coach of his Alma mater in his hometown. It’s a fact that nowhere was he steering his kids ‘as a booster’ to his Alma mater but was giving back to his community in helping kids years before he became a college head coach

The NCAA should had reasonably looked at this unique situation and see there was no ‘there’ there.

They were looking at the letter of the bylaws more than looking at the spirit of the bylaws. Seems to me they were doing a favor for someone who had an ax to grind against Penny

Bingo. But they weren't expecting to get told to "pound sand".

(11-12-2019 03:17 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:57 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:52 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  A booster to me is a consistent everyday booster that is on the list. Giving a one time donation isn’t a booster. A booster to me is someone that is constantly running the show everyday, not a one time giver. Penny isn’t a booster. Who are the consistent boosters on the list, anyways? Those are the ones.

Gary & barbara bryant donated a one time 13 million dollar donation... so theyre not a booster to you?

i would imagine the byrd brothers...fred smith...alan graf.. those kind of people

Did the Bryant’s and Byrd’s become the head coach of their preferred school and helped a kid years before they became that coach?

See Penny is a very unique person in a very unique situation. An AAU/H.S. coach that straight way years later became the head coach of his Alma mater in his hometown. It’s a fact that nowhere was he steering his kids ‘as a booster’ to his Alma mater but was giving back to his community in helping kids years before he became a college head coach

The NCAA should had reasonably looked at this unique situation and see there was no ‘there’ there.

They were looking at the letter of the bylaws more than looking at the spirit of the bylaws. Seems to me they were doing a favor for someone who had an ax to grind against Penny

dont send people on a goose chase. they will all say "CaL wOuLd WaNt MeMpHiS tO fAiL." or blame rick barnes or go off on any wild tangent. If the NCAA knew of the money before hand, there's no possible whistleblower because it would have been confessed along the way and pennys status as a booster in 2017 is what was up for interpretation.

if the NCAA found out after they said james was good to go, then they found out about somehow, then sure maybe there was a whistle blower. idk. One seems more likely than the other. i just doubt it was Cal as he has his hands on everything. if not him, his runners do. which all have UKs athletic interests in mind, alas a booster.

(11-12-2019 02:52 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  A booster to me is a consistent everyday booster that is on the list. Giving a one time donation isn’t a booster. A booster to me is someone that is constantly running the show everyday, not a one time giver. Penny isn’t a booster. Who are the consistent boosters on the list, anyways? Those are the ones.

The NCAA definition is that being a booster one time makes you a booster to the end of time, so that's how it is.

Penny helped out Lomax 100X more than Wiseman, and also helped out Jeffries and Boyce, and none of them signed with Memphis. We are literally the only school that did NOT benefit from the impermissible benefits at the time they were made, when each player chose a place to play.

(11-12-2019 03:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:52 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  A booster to me is a consistent everyday booster that is on the list. Giving a one time donation isn’t a booster. A booster to me is someone that is constantly running the show everyday, not a one time giver. Penny isn’t a booster. Who are the consistent boosters on the list, anyways? Those are the ones.

The NCAA definition is that being a booster one time makes you a booster to the end of time, so that's how it is.

Penny helped out Lomax 100X more than Wiseman, and also helped out Jeffries and Boyce, and none of them signed with Memphis. We are literally the only school that did NOT benefit from the impermissible benefits at the time they were made, when each player chose a place to play.

correct but they had a relationship that started before the 9th grade so Alex is covered by a different bylaw

(11-12-2019 03:09 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 03:05 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:57 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:55 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:52 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  A booster to me is a consistent everyday booster that is on the list. Giving a one time donation isn’t a booster. A booster to me is someone that is constantly running the show everyday, not a one time giver. Penny isn’t a booster. Who are the consistent boosters on the list, anyways? Those are the ones.

My view is similar. I don't like the "indefinite" part of their booster rule. To me it should be reset every one or two calendar years. So in my view Penny would have been a booster till 2009 or 2010. If you do not consistently give to a university then you lose your status as a booster.

i think he was a booster until he became an employee.

If I'm understanding you correctly, a person wouldn't lose booster status that way. At least based on NCAA's bylaws.

The NCAA's bylaws are whatever they want them to be for any particular case.

I agree. To me I think they should focus on the NCAA trying to backtrack on their decision.

(11-12-2019 03:11 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 03:05 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:57 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:55 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:52 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  A booster to me is a consistent everyday booster that is on the list. Giving a one time donation isn’t a booster. A booster to me is someone that is constantly running the show everyday, not a one time giver. Penny isn’t a booster. Who are the consistent boosters on the list, anyways? Those are the ones.

My view is similar. I don't like the "indefinite" part of their booster rule. To me it should be reset every one or two calendar years. So in my view Penny would have been a booster till 2009 or 2010. If you do not consistently give to a university then you lose your status as a booster.

i think he was a booster until he became an employee.

If I'm understanding you correctly, a person wouldn't lose booster status that way. At least based on NCAA's bylaws.

Once he became the coach of the team, his job requirements require him to commit what would be infractions from a booster. it is possible to be a booster and a u of m employee. in fact, i think it is highly likely u of m professors give money to the school from time to time.

the rule is vague. i dont think anyone doubts that.

That's the flaw of that bylaw IMO. Penny should have never been allowed to become a coach in the first place due to the potential problems it could lead to. Even without that donation, he could have been considered a booster if he buys season tickets. Most people in the Memphis knows he helps people and players. Even when Penny hoped to be the coach of UofM someday, it wasn't guaranteed at the time so why would/should he deny players help over something that was not guaranteed at the time.

(11-12-2019 03:46 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 03:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:52 PM)Steve davis Wrote:  A booster to me is a consistent everyday booster that is on the list. Giving a one time donation isn’t a booster. A booster to me is someone that is constantly running the show everyday, not a one time giver. Penny isn’t a booster. Who are the consistent boosters on the list, anyways? Those are the ones.

The NCAA definition is that being a booster one time makes you a booster to the end of time, so that's how it is.

Penny helped out Lomax 100X more than Wiseman, and also helped out Jeffries and Boyce, and none of them signed with Memphis. We are literally the only school that did NOT benefit from the impermissible benefits at the time they were made, when each player chose a place to play.

correct but they had a relationship that started before the 9th grade so Alex is covered by a different bylaw

Which one? The pre-existing relationship exception? If so, that one is equally as vague as to what period of time would qualify.

(11-12-2019 03:47 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 03:09 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 03:05 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:57 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:55 PM)Alanda Wrote:  My view is similar. I don't like the "indefinite" part of their booster rule. To me it should be reset every one or two calendar years. So in my view Penny would have been a booster till 2009 or 2010. If you do not consistently give to a university then you lose your status as a booster.

i think he was a booster until he became an employee.

If I'm understanding you correctly, a person wouldn't lose booster status that way. At least based on NCAA's bylaws.

The NCAA's bylaws are whatever they want them to be for any particular case.

I agree. To me I think they should focus on the NCAA trying to backtrack on their decision.

(11-12-2019 03:11 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 03:05 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:57 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:55 PM)Alanda Wrote:  My view is similar. I don't like the "indefinite" part of their booster rule. To me it should be reset every one or two calendar years. So in my view Penny would have been a booster till 2009 or 2010. If you do not consistently give to a university then you lose your status as a booster.

i think he was a booster until he became an employee.

If I'm understanding you correctly, a person wouldn't lose booster status that way. At least based on NCAA's bylaws.

Once he became the coach of the team, his job requirements require him to commit what would be infractions from a booster. it is possible to be a booster and a u of m employee. in fact, i think it is highly likely u of m professors give money to the school from time to time.

the rule is vague. i dont think anyone doubts that.

That's the flaw of that bylaw IMO. Penny should have never been allowed to become a coach in the first place due to the potential problems it could lead to. Even without that donation, he could have been considered a booster if he buys season tickets. Most people in the Memphis knows he helps people and players. Even when Penny hoped to be the coach of UofM someday, it wasn't guaranteed at the time so why would/should he deny players help over something that was not guaranteed at the time.

correct, clarity needs to be made on the rule. a time and a dollar amount i think would help a lot.

(11-12-2019 02:38 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:33 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 01:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 12:49 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 12:43 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  He donated in 2008 to the univeristy of memphis. per ncaa rules, he is a booster indefinitely.

That is incorrect. Read the bylaws above. They were written to specifically include athletics and exclude charitable donations to the University outside of athletics. This is the language the lawyers are parsing.

https://gotigersgo.com/news/2008/8/21/Pe...etics.aspx

Quote:Former University of Memphis and NBA star Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway, who amazed fans with his on and off court abilities for the Tigers from 1991-93, has donated $1 million to the Athletic Department to construct a Sports Hall of Fame. Hardaway's gift is the single-largest donation ever made by a former Tiger athlete to the department.

So unless gotigersgo.com was wrong, under the NCAA vague rules Penny is a booster.

WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!! I believe the legal record over some journalists hearsay. The bylaws SPECIFICALLY exclude general donations to the University as qualification for booster status. The bylaws allow it. They (the NCAA) ALLOWS FOR the distinction. I can’t comprehend it for you.

If you twist it that much there is nothing else to say.

Who is twisting anything, if the check was written to, and cashed by, the University (and not the TSF, or other athletic program association), then legally, by OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, regardless of some journalistic interpretation, “it is what’s it is.” And it is specifically allowed by the bylaws (AND their online interpretation, for that matter) by the NCAA themselves. This is a legal battle, where objective evidence is the standard - not some press release interpretation. WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!!
Penny’s booster status depends on whether he made a donation to the Athletic department or associated athletic entity. The lawyers have explicitly stated that their case is about Penny’s booster status. Honestly, forget the hype from the talking heads and drink from the source - listen to the guys in the trenches. They are the ones with the view of the battlefield and the weapons to fight.

(11-12-2019 04:57 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:38 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:33 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 01:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 12:49 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  That is incorrect. Read the bylaws above. They were written to specifically include athletics and exclude charitable donations to the University outside of athletics. This is the language the lawyers are parsing.

https://gotigersgo.com/news/2008/8/21/Pe...etics.aspx

Quote:Former University of Memphis and NBA star Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway, who amazed fans with his on and off court abilities for the Tigers from 1991-93, has donated $1 million to the Athletic Department to construct a Sports Hall of Fame. Hardaway's gift is the single-largest donation ever made by a former Tiger athlete to the department.

So unless gotigersgo.com was wrong, under the NCAA vague rules Penny is a booster.

WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!! I believe the legal record over some journalists hearsay. The bylaws SPECIFICALLY exclude general donations to the University as qualification for booster status. The bylaws allow it. They (the NCAA) ALLOWS FOR the distinction. I can’t comprehend it for you.

If you twist it that much there is nothing else to say.

Who is twisting anything, if the check was written to, and cashed by, the University (and not the TSF, or other athletic program association), then legally, by OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, regardless of some journalistic interpretation, “it is what’s it is.” And it is specifically allowed by the bylaws (AND their online interpretation, for that matter) by the NCAA themselves. This is a legal battle, where objective evidence is the standard - not some press release interpretation. WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!!
Penny’s booster status depends on whether he made a donation to the Athletic department or associated athletic entity. The lawyers have explicitly stated that their case is about Penny’s booster status. Honestly, forget the hype from the talking heads and drink from the source - listen to the guys in the trenches. They are the ones with the view of the battlefield and the weapons to fight.

the website says 'Made financial contributions to the athletic department or to a university booster organization' if penny made the donation to the athletic department (which he did) then he qualifies as a booster. i dont know why you find this hard to understand haha. The Athletic Department doesnt have a bank account on their own. they are not a separate entity of the university of memphis. The check was cashed by the university of memphis. the athletic department is a folder in the cabinet of the U of M.

(11-12-2019 04:57 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:38 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:33 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 01:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 12:49 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  That is incorrect. Read the bylaws above. They were written to specifically include athletics and exclude charitable donations to the University outside of athletics. This is the language the lawyers are parsing.

https://gotigersgo.com/news/2008/8/21/Pe...etics.aspx

Quote:Former University of Memphis and NBA star Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway, who amazed fans with his on and off court abilities for the Tigers from 1991-93, has donated $1 million to the Athletic Department to construct a Sports Hall of Fame. Hardaway's gift is the single-largest donation ever made by a former Tiger athlete to the department.

So unless gotigersgo.com was wrong, under the NCAA vague rules Penny is a booster.

WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!! I believe the legal record over some journalists hearsay. The bylaws SPECIFICALLY exclude general donations to the University as qualification for booster status. The bylaws allow it. They (the NCAA) ALLOWS FOR the distinction. I can’t comprehend it for you.

If you twist it that much there is nothing else to say.

Who is twisting anything, if the check was written to, and cashed by, the University (and not the TSF, or other athletic program association), then legally, by OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, regardless of some journalistic interpretation, “it is what’s it is.” And it is specifically allowed by the bylaws (AND their online interpretation, for that matter) by the NCAA themselves. This is a legal battle, where objective evidence is the standard - not some press release interpretation. WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!!
Penny’s booster status depends on whether he made a donation to the Athletic department or associated athletic entity. The lawyers have explicitly stated that their case is about Penny’s booster status. Honestly, forget the hype from the talking heads and drink from the source - listen to the guys in the trenches. They are the ones with the view of the battlefield and the weapons to fight.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files...itions.pdf

(b)Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

I don't think Penny should be considered a booster, but the NCAA's vague laws are saying he is.

EDIT: That PDF was for DIII, so here's a general link still saying the same thing.

http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/role-boosters

(11-12-2019 05:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 04:57 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:38 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:33 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 01:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  https://gotigersgo.com/news/2008/8/21/Pe...etics.aspx


So unless gotigersgo.com was wrong, under the NCAA vague rules Penny is a booster.

WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!! I believe the legal record over some journalists hearsay. The bylaws SPECIFICALLY exclude general donations to the University as qualification for booster status. The bylaws allow it. They (the NCAA) ALLOWS FOR the distinction. I can’t comprehend it for you.

If you twist it that much there is nothing else to say.

Who is twisting anything, if the check was written to, and cashed by, the University (and not the TSF, or other athletic program association), then legally, by OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, regardless of some journalistic interpretation, “it is what’s it is.” And it is specifically allowed by the bylaws (AND their online interpretation, for that matter) by the NCAA themselves. This is a legal battle, where objective evidence is the standard - not some press release interpretation. WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!!
Penny’s booster status depends on whether he made a donation to the Athletic department or associated athletic entity. The lawyers have explicitly stated that their case is about Penny’s booster status. Honestly, forget the hype from the talking heads and drink from the source - listen to the guys in the trenches. They are the ones with the view of the battlefield and the weapons to fight.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files...itions.pdf

(b)Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

I don't think Penny should be considered a booster, but the NCAA's vague laws are saying he is.

Only if you accept that a journalist determines legally that the Athletic department cashed the check. Are athletes living in the Hall or Fame? Do they practice there? Do they get free meals there? Do they take classes there? Is it open for EVERYONE at the university to visit and enjoy? Does the University charge admission to the Hall of Fame to help fund athletics?

This was a donation to the University, NOT the athletic department or another booster org.

I will ask it a different way - does the Hall of Fame materially contribute to any of the student athletes in a way that is not available to the general student (or non-student) population? No.

(11-12-2019 05:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 04:57 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:38 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:33 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 01:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  https://gotigersgo.com/news/2008/8/21/Pe...etics.aspx


So unless gotigersgo.com was wrong, under the NCAA vague rules Penny is a booster.

WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!! I believe the legal record over some journalists hearsay. The bylaws SPECIFICALLY exclude general donations to the University as qualification for booster status. The bylaws allow it. They (the NCAA) ALLOWS FOR the distinction. I can’t comprehend it for you.

If you twist it that much there is nothing else to say.

Who is twisting anything, if the check was written to, and cashed by, the University (and not the TSF, or other athletic program association), then legally, by OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, regardless of some journalistic interpretation, “it is what’s it is.” And it is specifically allowed by the bylaws (AND their online interpretation, for that matter) by the NCAA themselves. This is a legal battle, where objective evidence is the standard - not some press release interpretation. WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!!
Penny’s booster status depends on whether he made a donation to the Athletic department or associated athletic entity. The lawyers have explicitly stated that their case is about Penny’s booster status. Honestly, forget the hype from the talking heads and drink from the source - listen to the guys in the trenches. They are the ones with the view of the battlefield and the weapons to fight.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files...itions.pdf

(b)Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

I don't think Penny should be considered a booster, but the NCAA's vague laws are saying he is.

penny was such a Memphis booster that he was steering players to Wichita State and KY-U that Memphis wanted and needed.

This is a bullshot attempt to stop us from winning.

Find ONE PERSON that thinks that Penny gave them this money to get Wiseman to go to the University of Memphis.... it is preposterous. I hope they settle and get this behind us, but if the NCAA is stupid, Wiseman will win and he will win big against the NCAA, I just hope is does not cost the University too much...

(11-12-2019 05:20 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 04:57 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:38 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:33 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!! I believe the legal record over some journalists hearsay. The bylaws SPECIFICALLY exclude general donations to the University as qualification for booster status. The bylaws allow it. They (the NCAA) ALLOWS FOR the distinction. I can’t comprehend it for you.

If you twist it that much there is nothing else to say.

Who is twisting anything, if the check was written to, and cashed by, the University (and not the TSF, or other athletic program association), then legally, by OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, regardless of some journalistic interpretation, “it is what’s it is.” And it is specifically allowed by the bylaws (AND their online interpretation, for that matter) by the NCAA themselves. This is a legal battle, where objective evidence is the standard - not some press release interpretation. WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!!
Penny’s booster status depends on whether he made a donation to the Athletic department or associated athletic entity. The lawyers have explicitly stated that their case is about Penny’s booster status. Honestly, forget the hype from the talking heads and drink from the source - listen to the guys in the trenches. They are the ones with the view of the battlefield and the weapons to fight.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files...itions.pdf

(b)Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

I don't think Penny should be considered a booster, but the NCAA's vague laws are saying he is.

penny was such a Memphis booster that he was steering players to Wichita State and KY-U that Memphis wanted and needed.

This is a bullshot attempt to stop us from winning.

Find ONE PERSON that thinks that Penny gave them this money to get Wiseman to go to the University of Memphis.... it is preposterous. I hope they settle and get this behind us, but if the NCAA is stupid, Wiseman will win and he will win big against the NCAA, I just hope is does not cost the University too much...

we hear you...and we agree with you. the problem is the rule doesnt say it that way. the rule is did a booster give money to a recruit/his her family. and he checks that box.

(11-12-2019 05:23 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:20 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 04:57 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:38 PM)Alanda Wrote:  If you twist it that much there is nothing else to say.

Who is twisting anything, if the check was written to, and cashed by, the University (and not the TSF, or other athletic program association), then legally, by OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, regardless of some journalistic interpretation, “it is what’s it is.” And it is specifically allowed by the bylaws (AND their online interpretation, for that matter) by the NCAA themselves. This is a legal battle, where objective evidence is the standard - not some press release interpretation. WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!!
Penny’s booster status depends on whether he made a donation to the Athletic department or associated athletic entity. The lawyers have explicitly stated that their case is about Penny’s booster status. Honestly, forget the hype from the talking heads and drink from the source - listen to the guys in the trenches. They are the ones with the view of the battlefield and the weapons to fight.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files...itions.pdf

(b)Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

I don't think Penny should be considered a booster, but the NCAA's vague laws are saying he is.

penny was such a Memphis booster that he was steering players to Wichita State and KY-U that Memphis wanted and needed.

This is a bullshot attempt to stop us from winning.

Find ONE PERSON that thinks that Penny gave them this money to get Wiseman to go to the University of Memphis.... it is preposterous. I hope they settle and get this behind us, but if the NCAA is stupid, Wiseman will win and he will win big against the NCAA, I just hope is does not cost the University too much...

we hear you...and we agree with you. the problem is the rule doesnt say it that way. the rule is did a booster give money to a recruit/his her family. and he checks that box.

No, he doesn’t. The rule specifically allows for donors not to be considered boosters as long as they didn’t donate to the athletic department or associated booster orgs.

(11-12-2019 05:29 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:23 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:20 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 04:57 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  Who is twisting anything, if the check was written to, and cashed by, the University (and not the TSF, or other athletic program association), then legally, by OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, regardless of some journalistic interpretation, “it is what’s it is.” And it is specifically allowed by the bylaws (AND their online interpretation, for that matter) by the NCAA themselves. This is a legal battle, where objective evidence is the standard - not some press release interpretation. WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!!
Penny’s booster status depends on whether he made a donation to the Athletic department or associated athletic entity. The lawyers have explicitly stated that their case is about Penny’s booster status. Honestly, forget the hype from the talking heads and drink from the source - listen to the guys in the trenches. They are the ones with the view of the battlefield and the weapons to fight.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files...itions.pdf

(b)Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

I don't think Penny should be considered a booster, but the NCAA's vague laws are saying he is.

penny was such a Memphis booster that he was steering players to Wichita State and KY-U that Memphis wanted and needed.

This is a bullshot attempt to stop us from winning.

Find ONE PERSON that thinks that Penny gave them this money to get Wiseman to go to the University of Memphis.... it is preposterous. I hope they settle and get this behind us, but if the NCAA is stupid, Wiseman will win and he will win big against the NCAA, I just hope is does not cost the University too much...

we hear you...and we agree with you. the problem is the rule doesnt say it that way. the rule is did a booster give money to a recruit/his her family. and he checks that box.

No, he doesn’t. The rule specifically allows for donors not to be considered boosters as long as they didn’t donate to the athletic department or associated booster orgs.

From what I have seen not even the lawyers are saying that it wasn't to the athletic department. It's been more about how long ago it was.

(11-12-2019 05:29 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:23 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:20 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 04:57 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  Who is twisting anything, if the check was written to, and cashed by, the University (and not the TSF, or other athletic program association), then legally, by OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE, regardless of some journalistic interpretation, “it is what’s it is.” And it is specifically allowed by the bylaws (AND their online interpretation, for that matter) by the NCAA themselves. This is a legal battle, where objective evidence is the standard - not some press release interpretation. WHO CASHED THE CHECK??!!
Penny’s booster status depends on whether he made a donation to the Athletic department or associated athletic entity. The lawyers have explicitly stated that their case is about Penny’s booster status. Honestly, forget the hype from the talking heads and drink from the source - listen to the guys in the trenches. They are the ones with the view of the battlefield and the weapons to fight.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files...itions.pdf

(b)Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

I don't think Penny should be considered a booster, but the NCAA's vague laws are saying he is.

penny was such a Memphis booster that he was steering players to Wichita State and KY-U that Memphis wanted and needed.

This is a bullshot attempt to stop us from winning.

Find ONE PERSON that thinks that Penny gave them this money to get Wiseman to go to the University of Memphis.... it is preposterous. I hope they settle and get this behind us, but if the NCAA is stupid, Wiseman will win and he will win big against the NCAA, I just hope is does not cost the University too much...

we hear you...and we agree with you. the problem is the rule doesnt say it that way. the rule is did a booster give money to a recruit/his her family. and he checks that box.

No, he doesn’t. The rule specifically allows for donors not to be considered boosters as long as they didn’t donate to the athletic department or associated booster orgs.

we have provided proof that it was delivered to the athletic dept. i have then told you that if it was a check, the athletic dept doesnt have a bank account. you keep beating this weird drum. the check was cashed by the U of M.

(11-12-2019 05:55 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:29 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:23 PM)tjwillis47 Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:20 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 05:13 PM)Alanda Wrote:  https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files...itions.pdf

(b)Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

I don't think Penny should be considered a booster, but the NCAA's vague laws are saying he is.

penny was such a Memphis booster that he was steering players to Wichita State and KY-U that Memphis wanted and needed.

This is a bullshot attempt to stop us from winning.

Find ONE PERSON that thinks that Penny gave them this money to get Wiseman to go to the University of Memphis.... it is preposterous. I hope they settle and get this behind us, but if the NCAA is stupid, Wiseman will win and he will win big against the NCAA, I just hope is does not cost the University too much...

we hear you...and we agree with you. the problem is the rule doesnt say it that way. the rule is did a booster give money to a recruit/his her family. and he checks that box.

No, he doesn’t. The rule specifically allows for donors not to be considered boosters as long as they didn’t donate to the athletic department or associated booster orgs.

we have provided proof that it was delivered to the athletic dept. i have then told you that if it was a check, the athletic dept doesnt have a bank account. you keep beating this weird drum. the check was cashed by the U of M.

Not sure who you are trying to convince but it is obvious you are just trying to win an argument.
Penny gave the money to help build a Hall of Fame for Athletes...Come on be honest.

What proof? Some article written by a PR person at the University that gets paid to spin things so that they are easily understood by the general public? Unless you are referring to something else that I haven’t seen, that has zero legal standing. It is hearsay and interpretation.

How do student athletes demonstrably gain anything from that. If he’d paid to build an Engineering Hall of Fame, or a Lawyer Hall of Fame it would be the same. How do the student athletes receive benefit that isn’t available to every student, AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC from that donation? I realize the University benefits - that is the whole point of charitable donations, but how is it an inducement/benefit to the student athletes or the athletic program, outside of showcasing PAST player success stories?

It doesn’t.