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Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
Teams with 1st loss Week 11:
Alabama
Penn State

Teams with 2nd loss Week 11:
Wake Forest
San Diego State

Teams with 1st win Week 11:
none

Maximum number of Undefeated Teams at the End of the Regular Season:
4: Clemson, Baylor, LSU, Ohio State/Minnesota
While we lost a few more undefeated teams, we still have at least one left in 4 conferences.


Teams with 1st loss:
Week 0 and 1: 35.38% (46 of 130)
Week 2: 38.01% (32 of 84)
Week 3: 32.69% (17 of 52)
Week 4: 34.29% (12 of 35)
Week 5: 21.74% (5 of 23)
Week 6: 11.11% (2 of 18)
Week 7: 25% (4 of 16)
Week 8: 16.67% (2 of 12)
Week 9: 10% (1 of 10)
Week 10: 22.22% (2 of 9)
Week 11: 28.57% (2 of 7)

Week 11 Thoughts:
-Our biggest events this weekend were certainly the two games between undefeateds. LSU put an explanation mark on their re-emergence this year and beat Alabama on the road. Barring a complete collapse, they will be in the SEC title game vs. Georgia. Alabama for its part, probably needs some help for the CFP bowls. They might get in with 1 loss and not as SEC champs, but LSU probably would have had the stronger argument there. I do expect them to still be about #4 this week from the committee, but a 1-loss PAC-12 and/or Big 12 champ could well pass them by the end. It might take till the final week (where one of them would have a good win and Alabama wouldn't be playing), but I would lean to things playing out that way if either conference ends that way. I also think Alabama might need a bit of help against Ohio State if the Buckeyes lose. Penn State and Minnesota are both still probably in if they win out (including against the Buckeyes). If it came down to a 1-loss Ohio State and 1-loss Alabama, neither of whom were conference champs, I could see the committee going either way (how they both looked down the stretch would matter too).

-Our other undefeated game also ended with an upset. People don't realize it, but for a long time, Minnesota was a powerhouse. They have several national championships, a lot of Big Ten ones, and still have a slight winning record against Nebraska in what was a long series before it disappeared decades ago (although went from a series dominated by Minnesota to one by Nebraska). They have been middle of the pack or worse for a long time though. Their win against Penn State is their biggest in a long time in several ways. This should push them way up the rankings for one. For another (probably bigger deal), they have a 2 game lead vs. Wisconsin in the west. Their remaining schedule includes games vs. both Iowa and Wisconsin so they are definitely not in the Big Ten championship yet, but if they can win either one in addition to beating a down Northwestern, they are in.

-Baylor keeps finding ways to win. There was nothing but field goals in regulation, but the Bears came back and then beat TCU in triple overtime. Next week they'll have the likely game of the week vs. Oklahoma. If they win that or beat Texas, they pretty much lock themselves into the Big 12 championship (although they shouldn't sleep on Kansas this year).

-Wake Forest's loss leaves Clemson alone on these lists from the ACC. If the tigers make the CFP, the next best ACC team will be in the Orange Bowl and, as things stand right now, it will not be a highly ranked team (although still time to move up some).

-Group of 5 Cotton Bowl Bid: The Mountain West had two late very close games with its 1-loss teams. Boise State came through in overtime while San Diego State lost. This guarantees now that at least one team entering the Mountain West Championship Game will have more than 1-loss. If you are a potential 2-loss American conference champ, Appalachian State, or maybe Louisiana Tech that is very much what you want to see (although both losing would have been better).

Looking at the others, Appalachian State beat South Carolina this week which keeps them at least somewhat in this race, but it would have been a bigger deal if they hadn't lost the week before. They still stand a chance, but based on ranking already out there and remaining schedules, they might need 3 loss champs from both the Mountain West and American (or at least lesser looking 2 loss teams).

In the American, everything stood pat although East Carolina gave a bit of a scare for the 2nd week in a row to a top team (this week SMU, last Cincinnati).

Week 12 Thoughts:
-Our undefeated teams play in the following games: 1-loss Oklahoma @ undefeated Baylor, undefeated Ohio State @ Rutgers, undefeated Minnesota @ Iowa, Wake Forest @ undefeated Clemson, undefeated LSU @ Ole Miss

-Our winless teams play in the following: 4-5 Eastern Michigan @ winless Akron (Tuesday), 5-5 FCS Incarnate Word @ winless New Mexico State, winless Rice @ 3-5 Middle Tennessee. New Mexico State will likely be favored to win this week and we will hopefully finally be able to move another team off this list.

1-loss Oklahoma @ undefeated Baylor: The Bears keep winning and now is the biggest test. If they win this, they should jump very high up the rankings and will be taken as a serious CFP bowl contender. Oklahoma for their part, also must absolutely win it to stay in that race. Both teams stand a high chance of being in the Big 12 Championship, but neither can assume they are if they lose here.

1-loss Georgia @ Auburn: The deep south's oldest rivalry. If Georgia loses this, it sets up some interesting scenarios for committee. What if a 2 loss Georgia won the SEC and LSU and Alabama ended with 1 a piece? My personal guess is Georgia wouldn't be in, but expect a lot of talk about those scenarios if Auburn pulls this off. The even bigger deal is that if Georgia loses here, it needs to win against Texas A&M if wants to go to Atlanta (or have Florida lose).

Undefeated Minnesota @ Iowa: The Golden Gophers are now going to get national respect and their first game after that will be a tough one. The two compete for the Floyd of Rosedale, a pig trophy that proves Minnesota has the best combination of rivalry trophies out there (they also have the ax with Wisconsin). Just as important here, win this game and Minnesota can lock up the Big Ten West before playing Wisconsin. All they would need else would be to beat Northwestern. Lose this one, and (if Wisconsin wins too), it all comes down to the season finale.

Undefeated Clemson @ Wake Forest: This game would have felt so much bigger if Wake hadn't lost fairly badly last week. Still, it's looking more like every game is a must win for Clemson, so a slip up can't happen here.
1-loss Louisiana Tech @ Marshall (Friday): This is Louisiana Tech's toughest remaining game. Win this and they are likely going to the Conference USA championship game. From there, they need to hope for absolute chaos to give them a shot at the Cotton Bowl.

1-loss Alabama @ Mississippi State: The tide are probably not going to be SEC champs, but are still in national title hunt. They need to show the committee, it absolutely has to include them though which means blow outs the rest of the way are almost a must. It might or might not be enough, but how the games look is important here.

Indiana @ 1-loss Penn State: For as much excitement may have been lost losing to Minnesota, everything is still in front of Penn State. If they win out, they are almost certainly in the CFP as a 1-loss Big Ten champ. This week though cannot be a let down vs. an Indiana team who is better than most the nation realizes. If Penn State loses this, they still won't get to Indianapolis even with a win over Ohio State the following week so they need this now to keep everything on tract. Indiana meanwhile was already bowl eligible in October which is not something they can say too often.

1-loss Cincinnati @ South Florida: Starts a tough final three games for the Bearcats. Win 2 of them and they are in the American championship (or just beat Temple actually). They want a lot more than that though.

1-loss Memphis @ Houston: The Tigers are tied for first in the American West with Navy and SMU and it has beat both of them (so has potential tie breakers). If they lose this game though, they no longer control their destiny.

1-loss Navy @ Notre Dame: Both teams are actually competing to be in the Cotton Bowl (although from different sides). Notre Dame is out with a loss here. Navy is not out, but even if they get the help they need in the American, they might need a bit of help if win the conference with 2 overall loses.

UCLA @ 1-loss Utah: UCLA has been trending up. Utah should be favored decently, but a possible trap set-up here with Utah coming off big win and move into first place in their division.

Remaining Undefeated Teams: ACC: 1, Big 12: 1, Big Ten: 2, SEC: 1, total: 5
Clemson
Baylor
Minnesota
Ohio State
Louisiana State


1-loss Teams: ACC: 0, American: 4, Big 12: 1, Big Ten: 1, Conference USA: 1, Mountain West: 1, PAC-12: 2, SEC: 2, Sun Belt: 1, total: 12
Cincinnati
Louisiana Tech
Oregon
Utah
Navy
Georgia
Memphis
Boise State
Oklahoma
Appalachian State
Southern Methodist
Alabama
Penn State

Remaining Winless Teams: Conference USA: 1, MAC: 1, independents: 1, total: 3
Rice
Akron
New Mexico State
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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
Great breakdown. It will be interesting to see where the committee ranks:

Minnesota
Penn St
Alabama

I’m going to go out on a limb and say the committee ranks LSU #1 after the Bama win and Ohio St will switch to #2.

After that it’s touchy to say. Does Clemson default to #3? Where Alabama and Penn St end up will likely depend on what the committee values more: who you’ve beat or who you’ve lost to. You have a whole glut of 1 loss teams in Alabama, Penn St, Georgia, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Utah to try and sort out.

Then you have the conundrum with the other two undefeateds, Minnesota and Baylor. Baylor’s close call with TCU drives home why they are ranked below a bunch of 1 loss times but now they have to figure out what to do with the Minnesota team that they thought very little of but now they have a win against Penn St and now are legit contender to be in the Big Ten title game.
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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
This every-Sunday assessment from Ohio1317 should be required reading for all of us.

Great job.
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(11-10-2019 11:10 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  This every-Sunday assessment from Ohio1317 should be required reading for all of us.

Great job.


Agreed


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Wake me up when Ohio State plays a real opponent.
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(11-10-2019 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Wake me up when Ohio State plays a real opponent.
What real opponent has Clemson played?

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Did not know Sleep was good this year. Well, until this week anyways.
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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
Didn't know New Mexico State was winless. Shame to see, they had a nice little bowl run a few years ago.

You can probably pencil in Akron for being winless - remaining games are against some solid opponents.
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(11-10-2019 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Wake me up when Ohio State plays a real opponent.
2 wins vs current CFP top 25 teams and over a solid Indiana team. Outside of LSU who else is better? I'm not being a homer, just don't understand your argument? Plus, destroying Wisconsin doesn't mean Wisconsin is a bad team. Ask Miami and LSU over the last couple years how hard it is to play Wisconsin.
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RE: Remaining Undefeated, 1-Loss, and Winless Teams after Week 11
(11-10-2019 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Wake me up when Ohio State plays a real opponent.

You mean like top 25 Wisconsin, Indiana, and Cincinnati with upcoming games against Penn St and Michigan on their way to a showdown with Minnesota.

Wake me up when UNC wins their conference, or maybe when they can beat App St
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Wisconsin’s best OOC win is who? USF? Central Michigan?

Ohio State’s best OOC win was beating the tar out of an overrated Cincinnati team that almost lost to the ECU bums.

The top Big Ten teams haven’t beaten anybody OOC so it’s hard to say they’re proven on the national stage.

It seems the Big Ten collective has taken the Jim Boeheim OOC scheduling approach this season.

Let’s make sure you understand this: I’m not saying Ohio State isn’t a great team and doesn’t deserve to be where they’re at, I just haven’t seen them play anybody that is a legit playoff contender yet.
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(11-10-2019 03:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Wake me up when UNC wins their conference, or maybe when they can beat App St

Funny enough, UNC was projected to finish dead last and has already surpassed expectations. App State would be the toughest team OSU has played thus far.
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(11-10-2019 03:47 PM)esayem Wrote:  Wisconsin’s best OOC win is who? USF? Central Michigan?

Ohio State’s best OOC win was beating the tar out of an overrated Cincinnati team that almost lost to the ECU bums.

The top Big Ten teams haven’t beaten anybody OOC so it’s hard to say they’re proven on the national stage.

It seems the Big Ten collective has taken the Jim Boeheim OOC scheduling approach this season.

Let’s make sure you understand this: I’m not saying Ohio State isn’t a great team and doesn’t deserve to be where they’re at, I just haven’t seen them play anybody that is a legit playoff contender yet.
Wow. So because Clemson almost lost to those UNC bums you must admit they're overrated as well, right?

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(11-10-2019 03:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 03:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Wake me up when UNC wins their conference, or maybe when they can beat App St

Funny enough, UNC was projected to finish dead last and has already surpassed expectations. App State would be the toughest team OSU has played thus far.
Cincinnati would smash App State. You're just pissed that the media is blasting your school's pathetic conference week after week.

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(11-10-2019 12:10 PM)mlb Wrote:  What real opponent has Clemson played?

I’d say Texas A&M, whose only losses are Alabama, Auburn, and Clemson.
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(11-10-2019 03:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Wake me up when Ohio State plays a real opponent.

You mean like top 25 Wisconsin, Indiana, and Cincinnati with upcoming games against Penn St and Michigan on their way to a showdown with Minnesota.

Wake me up when UNC wins their conference, or maybe when they can beat App St

That's unfair. The only team to beat App State in regulation in over 2 years is sadly that triple option team from east Georgia on 5 days rest. Even more sadly, they did it twice.
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I would say UNC is underrated and was underestimated by Clemson.

I’m not a rah rah conference guy, so no I don’t really care what the media says (although it is annoying nobody is giving Mack Brown and the team any credit for that near upset). I don’t think the ACC is as bad as people say because they actually schedule tough opponents OOC.
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(11-10-2019 03:53 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 12:10 PM)mlb Wrote:  What real opponent has Clemson played?

I’d say Texas A&M, whose only losses are Alabama, Auburn, and Clemson.

They barely beat Arkansas, who just got demolished by Western Kentucky. Kind of like the UC close game with ECU, right?

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(11-10-2019 03:58 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 03:53 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 12:10 PM)mlb Wrote:  What real opponent has Clemson played?

I’d say Texas A&M, whose only losses are Alabama, Auburn, and Clemson.

They barely beat Arkansas, who just got demolished by Western Kentucky. Kind of like the UC close game with ECU, right?

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True, Arkansas is very bad, but has a lot of talent. And now their coach is gone.
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(11-10-2019 12:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Wake me up when Ohio State plays a real opponent.
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