I'd then go at them again about the Derrick Rose thing...cleared him three times.
Hang that banner up again.

(11-09-2019 08:22 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I'd then go at them again about the Derrick Rose thing...cleared him three times.
Hang that banner up again.

There is an NCAA reference to "recruiting violations" which speaks toward the University rather than the player..

There seems to be the possibility of Wiseman being eligible while the University gets sanctioned for these undefined "recruiting violations" mentioned.

He is eligible yet they still get their pound of flesh - hope I'm wrong but those words are concerning

(11-09-2019 08:27 PM)mccarverslawyer Wrote:  There is an NCAA reference to "recruiting violations" which speaks toward the University rather than the player..

There seems to be the possibility of Wiseman being eligible while the University gets sanctioned for these undefined "recruiting violations" mentioned.

He is eligible yet they still get their pound of flesh - hope I'm wrong but those words are concerning

The University stated they had no knowledge of the moving expenses

(11-09-2019 08:35 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:27 PM)mccarverslawyer Wrote:  There is an NCAA reference to "recruiting violations" which speaks toward the University rather than the player..

There seems to be the possibility of Wiseman being eligible while the University gets sanctioned for these undefined "recruiting violations" mentioned.

He is eligible yet they still get their pound of flesh - hope I'm wrong but those words are concerning

The University stated they had no knowledge of the moving expenses

They also apparently had no knowledge of the Rose fiasco, but we see how that worked out.

The reference I thought I read does not define what "recruiting violations" they are hinting at. Moving expenses is not referred to - generic non specific "recruiting violations" reference.

I will defer to you message board warriors to parse it out I am I am about to be seated for dinner.

Enjoy your Saturday evening

(11-09-2019 07:48 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 07:38 PM)BengalBurger Wrote:  I think the NCAA, in their own stupidity, WAS told about the payment, but didn’t remember about Penny’s donation in 2008, until after they granted eligibility. SOMEBODY (from kansass or kensucky) got butthurt and “reminded” the NCAA, and so they sent the “oh we were wrong, but we’ll let it go” letter. More butthurt ensued, and now we find ourselves here. This is only my opinion, but it fits the narrative and the NCAAs incompetence.

How will the NCAA get past them telling Wiseman they made an error in declaring him eligible but that they will still honor his eligibility then reverse themselves?

NCAA sounds like the Keystone Cops don't they? A lot of the players in this year's class committed because Wiseman was here first. The NCAA is trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube now.

(11-09-2019 08:35 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:27 PM)mccarverslawyer Wrote:  There is an NCAA reference to "recruiting violations" which speaks toward the University rather than the player..

There seems to be the possibility of Wiseman being eligible while the University gets sanctioned for these undefined "recruiting violations" mentioned.

He is eligible yet they still get their pound of flesh - hope I'm wrong but those words are concerning

The University stated they had no knowledge of the moving expenses

That is contrary to everything else out there.

How does the university not know about the moving expenses yet the NCAA knew about the moving expenses when they ruled him eligible.

(11-09-2019 08:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:35 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:27 PM)mccarverslawyer Wrote:  There is an NCAA reference to "recruiting violations" which speaks toward the University rather than the player..

There seems to be the possibility of Wiseman being eligible while the University gets sanctioned for these undefined "recruiting violations" mentioned.

He is eligible yet they still get their pound of flesh - hope I'm wrong but those words are concerning

The University stated they had no knowledge of the moving expenses

That is contrary to everything else out there.

How does the university not know about the moving expenses yet the NCAA knew about the moving expenses when they ruled him eligible.

Let me clarify when Wiseman signed they had no prior knowledge until the joint investigation

Here's my take on the sequence of events:

1. They declare Wiseman eligible.
2. They realize they messed up, but will let him remain eligible.
3. They're upset with themselves for messing up, so they have to get him a different way.
4. Go back in time and dig up the donation and Penny becoming a "booster" to make him ineligible a different way by being the beneficiary of impermissible benefits from a booster.

I think they're trying to declare him ineligible using a completely different "violation" which would allow them to renege on their prior agreement.

One thing in this is absolutely certain. James' and Penny's reputations have been irreparably damaged by the NCAA. The other thing for certain is that lawyers are gonna get paid.

(11-09-2019 10:00 PM)Tigerdawg Wrote:  Here's my take on the sequence of events:

1. They declare Wiseman eligible.
2. They realize they messed up, but will let him remain eligible.
3. They're upset with themselves for messing up, so they have to get him a different way.
4. Go back in time and dig up the donation and Penny becoming a "booster" to make him ineligible a different way by being the beneficiary of impermissible benefits from a booster.

I think they're trying to declare him ineligible using a completely different "violation" which would allow them to renege on their prior agreement.

One thing in this is absolutely certain. James' and Penny's reputations have been irreparably damaged by the NCAA. The other thing for certain is that lawyers are gonna get paid.

I think you are trying to make the NCAA’s actions logical .

As for irreparably damaged....try heroic .

The NCAA has little to no support from any direction.

Lots of really good arguments in Wiseman's favor. I have been involved with litigation that is somewhat similar and I think the NCAA may just agree that Wiseman is eligible soon. The NCAA screwed up in several areas and Wiseman's attorneys caught them. Dick Johnson is on target also. I don't think this is a winable case for the NCAA, especially if Wiseman's attorneys request a jury trial.

(11-10-2019 09:43 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Lots of really good arguments in Wiseman's favor. I have been involved with litigation that is somewhat similar and I think the NCAA may just agree that Wiseman is eligible soon. The NCAA screwed up in several areas and Wiseman's attorneys caught them. Dick Johnson is on target also. I don't think this is a winable case for the NCAA, especially if Wiseman's attorneys request a jury trial.

Agree with your take. I believe Wiseman will get his eligibility back.

What strikes an ominous tone for the program, and Hardaway, is their process/actions in this case. He gets his eligibility - school gets probation.

(11-10-2019 01:43 PM)mccarverslawyer Wrote:  What strikes an ominous tone for the program, and Hardaway, is their process/actions in this case. He gets his eligibility - school gets probation.

On what grounds? The school did nothing wrong. Penny was not the coach when the moving expenses were paid. Everything was reported properly.

Paying an "ineligible" player? That seems to be the threat they're holding over our heads. But if Wiseman wins or "settles" for a minor suspension, they will have a hard time winning that, as we've shown some backbone this time around.