(11-10-2019 10:15 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Agree. I don’t understand why fans align themselves with that stance.

It’s a strange choice.

You are typically a voice of reason

And should recognize that I was not aligning with any stance that is beating up Memphis or asking to capitulate

A very very different point from sticking heads up asses

(11-10-2019 09:28 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 09:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 11:40 AM)Mimi Wrote:  It would be a violation that based on the unique history could have very possibly resulted in a short suspension and censure or the like

NOW we are all in, having played him even after the notification

Lose and it will not be a minor suspension

As much as I get the frustration the impatience could very well hurt us long term

Like Lipman, Shirley, and RC did last time? Roll over and accept whatever they're dishing? How did that work out. Probation, repay the money, forfeit the games, take down the banner. How much worse would it have been had we fought them?

You interpret this to mean advocating rolling over?

Dude

Let alone the now rampant idea that the school did roll over before

Facts matter

With all of that I agree the NCAA is acting arbitrary here and the overall circumstances should dictate letting this go

But still recognizing the booster benefit call

Refusing to play him and hoping, golly gee - please only suspend him half the season, would be exactly rolling over. And we would not have receeived a token suspension or (hilarious) just a censure.

And it is what we did last time. I remember RC coming out and saying that we chose to accept and not fight because we wanted the case closed. It was a rollover and the NCAA had their way with us.

Stop already with characterizing my points as oh golly gee

Before folks like you hijacked these threads there were a lot of people arguing that a short suspension might be a reasoned compromise

For unnuanced internet tough guys to turn that into gee please just suspend me for half a season is amateur bull****

(11-10-2019 10:30 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(11-10-2019 10:15 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Agree. I don’t understand why fans align themselves with that stance.

It’s a strange choice.

You are typically a voice of reason

And should recognize that I was not aligning with any stance that is beating up Memphis or asking to capitulate

A very very different point from sticking heads up asses

Forget the university. The NCAA can’t get away with saying whoops we made a mistake even though we had everything we needed so now the student who made one of the most important decisions of life based on that decision suffers great harm.

The decision on the lawsuit is James and his mom’s decision.

Not a perfect analogy but close to what happened:

You agree to sign a contract to work for a company after they, going through all of the background checks and proper requirements Approved your hiring

The company then sometime later explain that they made an error in their research and maybe wouldn’t have hired you but they are still going to honor the contract and keep you as an employee to not burden you further

Then months later as you prepare to officially start your job the company comes back and say they are reinterpreting their hiring guidelines and possibly now you might not be able to retain your job

Any one of you would get a lawyer and sue the company of breaching the good faith and fair deal clause. You relied on them in good faith and they jerked your around. You would have standing right there for a lawsuit

(11-09-2019 11:21 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 11:18 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 11:16 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 11:11 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Ballin also likely to hurt the university if there are indeed additional facts that arose after the initial clearing

A very real possibility

If the only evidence is they realized that Hardaway was a Booster than that is stupid and they should be held accountable.

Will all former athletes who have donated to their schools forever be forbidden from coaching? Better go back retroactively and vacate all wins by former players turned coach for every school just to be safe.

I think this has been explained...

A booster can recruit if he is a coach...That is not an issue.

A booster not in a recruiting position cannot provide any benefits to prospective athletes or it is a violation. Penny was a booster in a non recruiting position so it would be a violation.

I don’t believe Wiseman was being actively recruited by Memphis at that time. So, are you saying that a booster who is a university coach can provide benefits to prospective player? Seems kind of backwards. Moreover, if no one can provide any benefits to a player or their family members, then how can a university give their parents such lucrative jobs for the obvious reason of recruitment?

(11-09-2019 08:35 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Ballin wins.

I haven’t read all the thread. But here is why I think wiseman wins.

THe NCAA hounds are holding Penny accountable for three separate events while he was in three separate roles.
He gave a significant donation to his university that was eventually named after him.
He helped a family and dealt with the TSSAA which ended up declaring Wiseman eligible.
He several years latter was hired in a job that was not on the horizon when he helped the family. The new job requires as a condition and core purpose for A coach to be engaged with recruiting top athletes to their program.
Three separate events that the ncaa uses to restrict Penny’s ability to pursue conditions of his job, consequences that expect penny to know that he would one day be the coach at Memphis and he would one day help a family in need before he knew he would one day be coach.

And in standard illogical fashion the the NCAA punishes the student.

This case is much bigger than Memphis simply losing a player. And that’s why a talented young man with a bright future will continue to play at the univ of Memphis

Can boosters go to high school basekball or football games and talk to recruits about going to their alma mater?

If I'm booster can I go to the local high school game which features a major impact recruit and talk to him about going to Memphis?

(11-11-2019 08:36 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 11:21 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 11:18 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 11:16 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 11:11 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Ballin also likely to hurt the university if there are indeed additional facts that arose after the initial clearing

A very real possibility

If the only evidence is they realized that Hardaway was a Booster than that is stupid and they should be held accountable.

Will all former athletes who have donated to their schools forever be forbidden from coaching? Better go back retroactively and vacate all wins by former players turned coach for every school just to be safe.

I think this has been explained...

A booster can recruit if he is a coach...That is not an issue.

A booster not in a recruiting position cannot provide any benefits to prospective athletes or it is a violation. Penny was a booster in a non recruiting position so it would be a violation.

I don’t believe Wiseman was being actively recruited by Memphis at that time. So, are you saying that a booster who is a university coach can provide benefits to prospective player? Seems kind of backwards. Moreover, if no one can provide any benefits to a player or their family members, then how can a university give their parents such lucrative jobs for the obvious reason of recruitment?

Where did I say that a coach could provide benefits...Come on man

(11-10-2019 10:35 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Stop already with characterizing my points as oh golly gee

Before folks like you hijacked these threads there were a lot of people arguing that a short suspension might be a reasoned compromise

For unnuanced internet tough guys to turn that into gee please just suspend me for half a season is amateur bull****

You tend to be the one beating your chest as the internet tough guy. Projection.

All I said was, in response to your opinion that we should not play Wiseman, that my opinion was we should. We should not cower to the NCAA, by saying "please take it easy on us". (Odd that you can't see the difference of directing that statement at the NCAA.) We did THAT last time and it bought us no goodwill.

You do seem to have difficulty accepting other opinions lately. I'll assume you're going through some stuff and let it slide.

If you want to keep the discussion going, a half-season suspension would not be acceptable by anyone. Fishman indicated that a one-third season suspension might not be acceptable. He said a 1-game suspension would likely be acceptable.

We should offer up a olive branch and sit JW for the Alcorn State game if James is ok with that.

If they want anything more I say we crush the NCAA in court.