(11-06-2019 05:50 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 05:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 04:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 04:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  7 UC schools are in, all but Riverside and the brand new Merced campus.

USFFan

UCSF offers only graduate and professional degrees; no undergraduate degrees. All of the members of AAU offer undergraduate as well as graduate degrees.

I know, but that's not what bullet said...



USFFan

Yep. You are wrong, for misinterpreting what I said. I had already made the comment that specialty schools like UC-SF were not eligible.

Huge news for Utah. Major congrats!

(11-06-2019 06:49 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m curious as to what sparked the decision to open up that air tight closed door? They don’t just admit AAU schools on a whim? Internal pressure from the UCs/PAC 12 block supported by the Ivies to get the votes? (2 of yours for 1 of ours?)

Likely a very small part of the consideration but if you add up the UCs+Pac-12 and include Caltech, then that's already up to 15 institutions from the western states, compared to 13 in the Big Ten. That would a point of pride from one part of academia.

(11-06-2019 08:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 05:50 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 05:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 04:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 04:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  7 UC schools are in, all but Riverside and the brand new Merced campus.

USFFan

UCSF offers only graduate and professional degrees; no undergraduate degrees. All of the members of AAU offer undergraduate as well as graduate degrees.

I know, but that's not what bullet said...



USFFan

Yep. You are wrong, for misinterpreting what I said. I had already made the comment that specialty schools like UC-SF were not eligible.

+2 for my stupidity. I totally missed the post where you mentioned it and just saw the one I responded to.

USFFan

Alabama
UAB
Auburn
Arkansas
Alaska
UC-Riverside
Colorado State
UConn.
George Washington
Delaware,
FIU
Florida State
UCF
Miami
USF
Georgia
Georgia State
Hawaii
Illinois-Chicago
Notre Dame
Kansas State
Kentucky
Louisville
LSU
Boston College
UMass.
Wayne State
Miss. State
Ole Miss.
S. Miss.
Montana State
NC State
Nebraska
New Hampshire
NJIT
New Mexico
UNLV
UNR
Binghamton
Albany
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Oklahoma State
Oregon State
Drexel
Temple
Clemson
Tennessee
Texas Tech
UTA
UTEP
Houston
N. Texas
George Mason
VCU
Virginia Tech
Washington State
Milwuakee
West Virginia
British Columbia would be here as #21 in the North America research Universities.

All above R1 who are not AAU.

R2 close to R1.
UAH
South Alabama
Arkansas State
Little Rock
N. Arizona
Azusa Pacific
Loyola Marymount
San Diego State
San Diego
Colorado Mines
Colo.-Colo. Springs
Denver
American
Howard
Delaware State
Florida A&M
FAU
Florida Tech
Nova Southeastern
Clark Atlanta
Georgia Southern
Kennesaw State
Mercer
Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
DePaul
Illinois State
Loyola-Chicago
N. Illinois
S. Illinois
Ball State
IUPUI
Wichita State
La. Tech
La.-Lafayette
New Orleans
UMass.-Lowell
Morgan State
UMES
UMBC
Maine
C. Michigan
EMU
Mich. Tech
Oakland
W. Michigan
Missouri S&T
Saint Louis
UMKC
UMSL
Jackson State
Montana
ECU
NC A&T
Charlotte
UNC-Greensboro
UNC-Wilmington
Wake Forest
North Dakota State
UND
Omaha
Seton Hall
New Mexico State
Fordham
Bowling Green
Cleveland State
Kent State
Miami
Ohio
Akron
Dayton
Toledo
Wright State
Tulsa
Portland State
Duquense
Jefferson
Lehigh
Villanova
UPR
URI
S. Dakota
S. Dakota State
E. Tennessee State
Tennessee State
Memphis
Tenn. Tech
Baylor
SMU
Texas A&M-C.C.
Kingsville
TCU
Texas Southern
Texas State
UTSA
UTRGV
BYU
Utah State
William & Mary
Hampton U.
ODU
Vermont
Marquette
Marshall
Wyoming

Big 10 = 13
Big 12= 3
ACC= 5
PAC 12= 9
SEC= 3
FCS= 9
MAC= 1
C-USA = 1
AAC = 1
Non-football = 4

Most of the schools in the AAU are in the northeast and midwest. The map is too much northeast heavy which a bunch of the country do not have an equal voice. The southeast only have 6 schools. Gulf coast have 3. mid-Atlantic only have 3. The northwest only have 2 while Southwest have many in California. If you want to redo the AAU? How would you do this to make each part of the country have a voice? Would you make more G5 schools become an AAU where they could be accepted into a P5 conference? I would have voted UMass., UConn., the SEC schools, UAB, UCF, Houston, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Colorado State, San Diego State, Montana State, Albany, Boise State, Wayne State, Wichita State, Kansas State, Nebraska, Omaha, UAB, Georgia State, Charlotte, ACC schools, Memphis, Temple and so forth. But as it is, the majority of the AAU schools are D3 and Ivy League. There is not many at the FBS level and none at D2.

(11-07-2019 09:36 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 08:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 05:50 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 05:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 04:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

UCSF offers only graduate and professional degrees; no undergraduate degrees. All of the members of AAU offer undergraduate as well as graduate degrees.

I know, but that's not what bullet said...



USFFan

Yep. You are wrong, for misinterpreting what I said. I had already made the comment that specialty schools like UC-SF were not eligible.

+2 for my stupidity. I totally missed the post where you mentioned it and just saw the one I responded to.

USFFan

UC-SF actually makes the Cal schools look even better. They are rated higher than any existing AAU school in their rankings at #2.

The Best Week since John Rocky Park broke the university away from Brigham Young (150 years).
- CFP top 10 ranking
- Suites on sale for stadium expansion
https://utahutes.com/news/2019/11/7/gene...-soon.aspx
- $150M mental health initiative donation
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/11/04/w...lion-gift/
- AAU membership
- Free in state tuition
https://twitter.com/UUtah/status/1192509582590922752

The latter completely alters the paradigm where kids go to BYU because it costs 70% less.

(11-07-2019 04:01 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The Best Week since John Rocky Park broke the university away from Brigham Young (150 years).
- CFP top 10 ranking
- Suites on sale for stadium expansion
https://utahutes.com/news/2019/11/7/gene...-soon.aspx
- $150M mental health initiative donation
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/11/04/w...lion-gift/
- AAU membership
- Free in state tuition
https://twitter.com/UUtah/status/1192509582590922752

The latter completely alters the paradigm where kids go to BYU because it costs 70% less.

The best decade for Utah.
June 2010: Invitation to join the Pac-10 effective 7/1/2011.
November 2019: Invitation to join the elite AAU.

Way to go Utah!

(11-06-2019 08:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  If they Big 10 and the Pac 12 merge, what happens to the Grandaddy Of Them All?

They already have a good working partnership so a merger is not happening.

It becomes a conference championship game?

highest ranked schools not in AAU (ranked by research $ in 2017, the most recent year):
Arizona State (44)
Virginia Tech (46)
NC State (47)
Cincinnati (54)
U. of Maryland at Baltimore (56)
Kentucky (62)
U. of Illinois at Chicago (63)
Miami (64)
Washington State (66)
Colorado State (70)

This widens the gap between Utah and BYU ever so much more. I definitely used to see them as on par with each other. BYU is doing well as an independent - but for how long? If there is a split, which side will they find themselves on?

Regardless...congrats to the Utes!

A lot of western and southeastern schools in that list.

Which makes sense given when the AAU was founded.

(11-07-2019 05:25 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  highest ranked schools not in AAU (ranked by research $ in 2017, the most recent year):
Arizona State (44)-AAU rank 87
Virginia Tech (46)-AAU rank 91
NC State (47)-AAU rank 91
Cincinnati (54)-AAU rank 61
U. of Maryland at Baltimore (56)-AAU rank 43
Kentucky (62)-AAU rank 94 (tied with lowest current AAU member)
U. of Illinois at Chicago (63)-AAU rank 60
Miami (64)-AAU rank 59
Washington State (66)-AAU rank 112
Colorado State (70)-AAU rank 64

In ranking the schools, the AAU normalizes the numbers. They used 7 factors including research, faculty awards, citations and faculty memberships. This was based on data from 2005-7, so things could have changed.

Highest non AAU members from that list-UAB 40, UMBC 43, Tufts (Medical) 43, RPI 55, Wake Forest 57, Miami (FL) 59, Illinois-Chicago 60, Cincinnati 61, Colorado St. 64, Oregon St. 67, George Washington 68, New Mexico 69, Wayne St. 72, UC-Riverside 72, Alaska-Fairbanks 76, VCU 76, Vermont 79, Hawaii 79, UConn 81, Georgetown 83, Delaware 83, SUNY-Albany 86, ASU 87, USF 87, UMass 90, VPI 91, NCSU 91, Oklahoma 91, FSU 94, UK 94, Louisville 94. Some of these are obviously there because of the medical schools. Bottom 5 AAU schools (not counting the two who left) were #76, #81, #83, #87 and #94. (edit I didn't list #1 Rockefeller U., #2 UC-SF and #31 Yeshiva U.-all specialty schools)

Also rated ahead of former member #109 Nebraska were, in order, New Mexico St., Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Dayton, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Houston, Utah St., Nevada-Reno and Howard.

(11-07-2019 11:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Alabama
UAB
Auburn
Arkansas
Alaska
UC-Riverside
Colorado State
UConn.
George Washington
Delaware,
FIU
Florida State
UCF
Miami
USF
Georgia
Georgia State
Hawaii
Illinois-Chicago
Notre Dame
Kansas State
Kentucky
Louisville
LSU
Boston College
UMass.
Wayne State
Miss. State
Ole Miss.
S. Miss.
Montana State
NC State
Nebraska
New Hampshire
NJIT
New Mexico
UNLV
UNR
Binghamton
Albany
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Oklahoma State
Oregon State
Drexel
Temple
Clemson
Tennessee
Texas Tech
UTA
UTEP
Houston
N. Texas
George Mason
VCU
Virginia Tech
Washington State
Milwuakee
West Virginia
British Columbia would be here as #21 in the North America research Universities.

All above R1 who are not AAU.

R2 close to R1.
UAH
South Alabama
Arkansas State
Little Rock
N. Arizona
Azusa Pacific
Loyola Marymount
San Diego State
San Diego
Colorado Mines
Colo.-Colo. Springs
Denver
American
Howard
Delaware State
Florida A&M
FAU
Florida Tech
Nova Southeastern
Clark Atlanta
Georgia Southern
Kennesaw State
Mercer
Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
DePaul
Illinois State
Loyola-Chicago
N. Illinois
S. Illinois
Ball State
IUPUI
Wichita State
La. Tech
La.-Lafayette
New Orleans
UMass.-Lowell
Morgan State
UMES
UMBC
Maine
C. Michigan
EMU
Mich. Tech
Oakland
W. Michigan
Missouri S&T
Saint Louis
UMKC
UMSL
Jackson State
Montana
ECU
NC A&T
Charlotte
UNC-Greensboro
UNC-Wilmington
Wake Forest
North Dakota State
UND
Omaha
Seton Hall
New Mexico State
Fordham
Bowling Green
Cleveland State
Kent State
Miami
Ohio
Akron
Dayton
Toledo
Wright State
Tulsa
Portland State
Duquense
Jefferson
Lehigh
Villanova
UPR
URI
S. Dakota
S. Dakota State
E. Tennessee State
Tennessee State
Memphis
Tenn. Tech
Baylor
SMU
Texas A&M-C.C.
Kingsville
TCU
Texas Southern
Texas State
UTSA
UTRGV
BYU
Utah State
William & Mary
Hampton U.
ODU
Vermont
Marquette
Marshall
Wyoming

Big 10 = 13
Big 12= 3
ACC= 5
PAC 12= 9
SEC= 3
FCS= 9
MAC= 1
C-USA = 1
AAC = 1
Non-football = 4

Most of the schools in the AAU are in the northeast and midwest. The map is too much northeast heavy which a bunch of the country do not have an equal voice. The southeast only have 6 schools. Gulf coast have 3. mid-Atlantic only have 3. The northwest only have 2 while Southwest have many in California. If you want to redo the AAU? How would you do this to make each part of the country have a voice? Would you make more G5 schools become an AAU where they could be accepted into a P5 conference? I would have voted UMass., UConn., the SEC schools, UAB, UCF, Houston, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Colorado State, San Diego State, Montana State, Albany, Boise State, Wayne State, Wichita State, Kansas State, Nebraska, Omaha, UAB, Georgia State, Charlotte, ACC schools, Memphis, Temple and so forth. But as it is, the majority of the AAU schools are D3 and Ivy League. There is not many at the FBS level and none at D2.

I don't think this list is complete. South Carolina, for instance, is an R1 university but not included. I actually think the entire SEC is, not just 3.

Arizona St better start working towards getting their AAU ducks in a row so they don’t get left out of future alignment shifts

(11-07-2019 11:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Alabama
UAB
Auburn
Arkansas
Alaska
UC-Riverside
Colorado State
UConn.
George Washington
Delaware,
FIU
Florida State
UCF
Miami
USF
Georgia
Georgia State
Hawaii
Illinois-Chicago
Notre Dame
Kansas State
Kentucky
Louisville
LSU
Boston College
UMass.
Wayne State
Miss. State
Ole Miss.
S. Miss.
Montana State
NC State
Nebraska
New Hampshire
NJIT
New Mexico
UNLV
UNR
Binghamton
Albany
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Oklahoma State
Oregon State
Drexel
Temple
Clemson
Tennessee
Texas Tech
UTA
UTEP
Houston
N. Texas
George Mason
VCU
Virginia Tech
Washington State
Milwuakee
West Virginia
British Columbia would be here as #21 in the North America research Universities.

All above R1 who are not AAU.

R2 close to R1.
UAH
South Alabama
Arkansas State
Little Rock
N. Arizona
Azusa Pacific
Loyola Marymount
San Diego State
San Diego
Colorado Mines
Colo.-Colo. Springs
Denver
American
Howard
Delaware State
Florida A&M
FAU
Florida Tech
Nova Southeastern
Clark Atlanta
Georgia Southern
Kennesaw State
Mercer
Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
DePaul
Illinois State
Loyola-Chicago
N. Illinois
S. Illinois
Ball State
IUPUI
Wichita State
La. Tech
La.-Lafayette
New Orleans
UMass.-Lowell
Morgan State
UMES
UMBC
Maine
C. Michigan
EMU
Mich. Tech
Oakland
W. Michigan
Missouri S&T
Saint Louis
UMKC
UMSL
Jackson State
Montana
ECU
NC A&T
Charlotte
UNC-Greensboro
UNC-Wilmington
Wake Forest
North Dakota State
UND
Omaha
Seton Hall
New Mexico State
Fordham
Bowling Green
Cleveland State
Kent State
Miami
Ohio
Akron
Dayton
Toledo
Wright State
Tulsa
Portland State
Duquense
Jefferson
Lehigh
Villanova
UPR
URI
S. Dakota
S. Dakota State
E. Tennessee State
Tennessee State
Memphis
Tenn. Tech
Baylor
SMU
Texas A&M-C.C.
Kingsville
TCU
Texas Southern
Texas State
UTSA
UTRGV
BYU
Utah State
William & Mary
Hampton U.
ODU
Vermont
Marquette
Marshall
Wyoming

Big 10 = 13
Big 12= 3
ACC= 5
PAC 12= 9
SEC= 3
FCS= 9
MAC= 1
C-USA = 1
AAC = 1
Non-football = 4

Most of the schools in the AAU are in the northeast and midwest. The map is too much northeast heavy which a bunch of the country do not have an equal voice. The southeast only have 6 schools. Gulf coast have 3. mid-Atlantic only have 3. The northwest only have 2 while Southwest have many in California. If you want to redo the AAU? How would you do this to make each part of the country have a voice? Would you make more G5 schools become an AAU where they could be accepted into a P5 conference? I would have voted UMass., UConn., the SEC schools, UAB, UCF, Houston, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Colorado State, San Diego State, Montana State, Albany, Boise State, Wayne State, Wichita State, Kansas State, Nebraska, Omaha, UAB, Georgia State, Charlotte, ACC schools, Memphis, Temple and so forth. But as it is, the majority of the AAU schools are D3 and Ivy League. There is not many at the FBS level and none at D2.

Unless I missed it, I don’t see Memphis on your R2 close to R1 list. There were only 6 schools between Memphis and R1 status last time the classifications were updated. Memphis’s administration seems fairly confident that they will make R1 soon. The rankings are all relative though so if the other 6 schools ahead of them, or some close behind, make larger improvements then we won’t make it in this time.

Doesn't mean much, but the whole R1/R2 thing was very frustrating at NDSU. We had just made it into R1, when they updated the ranking criteria and knocked us back to R2. Our president set a goal several years back to become AAU eligible, but the end of the earmark era hurt us bad. We were on a nice upward slope before then, but our growth curve has been pretty flat after.

(note that our prez did not set a goal to get into the AAU, just to meet their base criteria)

(11-07-2019 05:18 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 08:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  If they Big 10 and the Pac 12 merge, what happens to the Grandaddy Of Them All?

They already have a good working partnership so a merger is not happening.

It becomes a conference championship game?

The first week of December? Not happening.

(11-09-2019 08:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-07-2019 05:18 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 08:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  If they Big 10 and the Pac 12 merge, what happens to the Grandaddy Of Them All?

They already have a good working partnership so a merger is not happening.

It becomes a conference championship game?

The first week of December? Not happening.

That’s the problem with D1A. The game has to revolve around these bowls. Because the above is definitely a factor. Stupid traditions.