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(11-05-2019 10:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 09:39 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  All the G5 grouped together. Hard to say anyone of them has an advantage right now.

lol... keep dreaming. AAC getting 4 teams ranked is HUGE.

And all 4 could be unranked at the end as well. All 4 could easily lose 2 or more games as is since they are facing each other and some top teams like Temple and Tulane. Memphis did lose to Temple so Cincinnati could lose to them.
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(11-06-2019 05:27 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 10:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 09:39 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  All the G5 grouped together. Hard to say anyone of them has an advantage right now.

lol... keep dreaming. AAC getting 4 teams ranked is HUGE.

And all 4 could be unranked at the end as well. All 4 could easily lose 2 or more games as is since they are facing each other and some top teams like Temple and Tulane. Memphis did lose to Temple so Cincinnati could lose to them.

I like the AAC chances.
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(11-06-2019 01:59 AM)otown Wrote:  What is Clemsons current SOS? What was UCFs at this point in 2017 and 2018?

According to Sagarin, the strength of schedule of the following teams in 2019:
  • Clemson - 64
  • Alabama - 59

In 2017 and 2018, here was UCF's strength of schedule at this point in the season...

  • UCF (2017) - 99
  • UCF (2018) - 125


Now that is low, but remove Connecticut from the schedule? Probably rises by a decent amount...UConn was the 145th ranked team in Division 1 football in 2017.
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(11-06-2019 05:15 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 10:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 09:39 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  All the G5 grouped together. Hard to say anyone of them has an advantage right now.

lol... keep dreaming. AAC getting 4 teams ranked is HUGE.

Any of them top 5? Top 10? Just wondering.

Any Conference DOA teams in the Top 25? Just wondering.
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(11-05-2019 09:39 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  All B1G and SEC.

Oregon/Utah poised to take advantage of losses

Minnesota no respect

Agree on all counts. The most important thing here IMO is the positioning of Utah/Oregon. The CFP is signalling that the PAC is in position to grab a 4th playoff spot, ahead of both a second SEC team and the Big 12.

Also, while Minny is getting no respect, it doesn't matter, if they run the table they will be in anyway.
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(11-06-2019 07:14 AM)TampaTom Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 01:59 AM)otown Wrote:  What is Clemsons current SOS? What was UCFs at this point in 2017 and 2018?

According to Sagarin, the strength of schedule of the following teams in 2019:
  • Clemson - 64
  • Alabama - 59

In 2017 and 2018, here was UCF's strength of schedule at this point in the season...

  • UCF (2017) - 99
  • UCF (2018) - 125


Now that is low, but remove Connecticut from the schedule? Probably rises by a decent amount...UConn was the 145th ranked team in Division 1 football in 2017.

Clemson and Bama are that close? ACC is a pile of crap this year.
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(11-05-2019 09:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  The remain schedules for the five teams from the AAC and MWC are as follows...

Cincinnati - UConn, @USF, Temple, @#19 Memphis
Memphis - @Houston, @USF, #17 Cincinnati
Boise State - Wyoming, New Mexico, @Utah State, @Colorado State
Navy - @#15 Notre Dame, #23 SMU, @Houston, ARMY
SMU - East Carolina, @#25 Navy, Tulane

The AAC final stretch is absolutely 'made-for-TV'. You are staring down the barrel at a potential Top 15 matchup between Memphis and Cincinnati in the regular season, potentially repeating itself. If those teams win out prior to that game, it is basically theirs.

Navy will make an interesting case. Memphis cannot lose another game, and a win over a ranked SMU team would catapult Navy. They can afford to lose to Notre Dame.

Boise State cannot lose another game, unless the others drop the ball as well. But there is enough strength in the last few games to solidly wedge an AAC team into the NY6 spot.

Agree on most here - but Navy cannot afford to lose to Notre Dame. Two losses will be a killer. Of course if they win, that would vault them forward hugely.

Good news for Notre Dame, too, in their effort to rise into the top 12 and a possible Cotton Bowl berth. They need teams ahead of them to lose of course, but this will give the Irish a chance to beat a ranked team.
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(11-05-2019 10:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  Putting Clemson at five was the safest move the committee could make because two of those teams ahead of them WILL lose so it doesn't matter at this point. Clemson will most likely go undefeated and play a scrappy Virginia team in the ACC title. They'll win and make the playoffs.

Yes, the amount of ink being spilled over whether Clemson is being disrespected or not is silly, as there is ZERO doubt that if they win out, they will make the playoffs. And they face ZERO challenging games to stop them, as they have all season. Easily the most likely team to make the playoffs.

All it serves is as locker-room material for Dabo, as if he needs it.
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(11-05-2019 10:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  Navy and Oklahoma St. were the surprises. As well as how low they rated Minnesota and how high they rated Kansas St.
Oklahoma St. is 6th in the Big 12 behind Baylor 5-0, OU 4-1 and Texas, Kansas St. and Iowa St. at 3-2. Oklahoma St. is 3-3 with losses to Texas, Baylor and Texas Tech.

K-State's ranking may be a surprise, but I'm glad they are ranked that high. To me, they look like around the #16 team right now. Playing very good football.

That ND-State coach is looking like a winner now.
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The committee did the AAC a disservice by ranking their top teams 20-25. The committee is basically saying you're good AAC but not P5 good.
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(11-06-2019 08:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 09:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  The remain schedules for the five teams from the AAC and MWC are as follows...

Cincinnati - UConn, @USF, Temple, @#19 Memphis
Memphis - @Houston, @USF, #17 Cincinnati
Boise State - Wyoming, New Mexico, @Utah State, @Colorado State
Navy - @#15 Notre Dame, #23 SMU, @Houston, ARMY
SMU - East Carolina, @#25 Navy, Tulane

The AAC final stretch is absolutely 'made-for-TV'. You are staring down the barrel at a potential Top 15 matchup between Memphis and Cincinnati in the regular season, potentially repeating itself. If those teams win out prior to that game, it is basically theirs.

Navy will make an interesting case. Memphis cannot lose another game, and a win over a ranked SMU team would catapult Navy. They can afford to lose to Notre Dame.

Boise State cannot lose another game, unless the others drop the ball as well. But there is enough strength in the last few games to solidly wedge an AAC team into the NY6 spot.

Agree on most here - but Navy cannot afford to lose to Notre Dame. Two losses will be a killer. Of course if they win, that would vault them forward hugely.

Good news for Notre Dame, too, in their effort to rise into the top 12 and a possible Cotton Bowl berth. They need teams ahead of them to lose of course, but this will give the Irish a chance to beat a ranked team.

ND going to need some help. not too much though really.... They really need to root for SEC to get 2 teams in playoffs though or else...

SEC in great shape to have 4 teams in the CFP/Access bowls.. Alabama/LSU are locks. Georgia really good shot. Florida has easy schedule left and no chance to go to Atlanta just about(would take 2 Georgia losses). Could have Alabama/LSU in playoff, Georgia in Sugar, and Florida in Orange. OR- LSU in playoff, Alabama in Sugar, Georgia in Orange, and Florida in Cotton.
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(11-06-2019 09:11 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  The committee did the AAC a disservice by ranking their top teams 20-25. The committee is basically saying you're good AAC but not P5 good.

better that than the MWC who didn't get San Diego St ranked.
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(11-06-2019 09:11 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  The committee did the AAC a disservice by ranking their top teams 20-25. The committee is basically saying you're good AAC but not P5 good.

I think four teams in the top 25 is a high degree of respect.

And I can see the CFP's thinking - the AAC teams at the top, Memphis/Navy/Cincy/SMU - don't have any OOC skins to their credit. They've managed to win 7 or 8 games, but not against anybody worth mentioning.

I think what is likely to happen is that these four teams will go in different directions. As they play each other, the losers will drop out, but the winners will rise higher as P5 teams ahead of them lose too.

Plus, expect UCF to enter the rankings soon, if they win another game or two.
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(11-06-2019 09:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 08:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 09:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  The remain schedules for the five teams from the AAC and MWC are as follows...

Cincinnati - UConn, @USF, Temple, @#19 Memphis
Memphis - @Houston, @USF, #17 Cincinnati
Boise State - Wyoming, New Mexico, @Utah State, @Colorado State
Navy - @#15 Notre Dame, #23 SMU, @Houston, ARMY
SMU - East Carolina, @#25 Navy, Tulane

The AAC final stretch is absolutely 'made-for-TV'. You are staring down the barrel at a potential Top 15 matchup between Memphis and Cincinnati in the regular season, potentially repeating itself. If those teams win out prior to that game, it is basically theirs.

Navy will make an interesting case. Memphis cannot lose another game, and a win over a ranked SMU team would catapult Navy. They can afford to lose to Notre Dame.

Boise State cannot lose another game, unless the others drop the ball as well. But there is enough strength in the last few games to solidly wedge an AAC team into the NY6 spot.

Agree on most here - but Navy cannot afford to lose to Notre Dame. Two losses will be a killer. Of course if they win, that would vault them forward hugely.

Good news for Notre Dame, too, in their effort to rise into the top 12 and a possible Cotton Bowl berth. They need teams ahead of them to lose of course, but this will give the Irish a chance to beat a ranked team.

ND going to need some help. not too much though really.... They really need to root for SEC to get 2 teams in playoffs though or else...

SEC in great shape to have 4 teams in the CFP/Access bowls.. Alabama/LSU are locks. Georgia really good shot. Florida has easy schedule left and no chance to go to Atlanta just about(would take 2 Georgia losses). Could have Alabama/LSU in playoff, Georgia in Sugar, and Florida in Orange. OR- LSU in playoff, Alabama in Sugar, Georgia in Orange, and Florida in Cotton.

Yes, four SEC teams in the NY6, like last year, is very likely. Would take some unexpected upsets, like LSU not just losing to Alabama, but then to Texas A/M as well, or Florida losing to Missouri, for teams to fall out.

Because as you say, the teams that are likely to lose a game are so high ranked they will go anyway, whereas the tenuous ones, like Florida, are unlikely to lose anymore.

To me, the biggest news of this CFP is the positioning of the PAC. The PAC was written out of the playoffs early by almost everyone, but now, they are clearly right in the mix with a second SEC team and the Big 12 champ for the final playoff spot. I like their positioning better than the Big 12 champ, and about even with an SEC #2.

I know one thing, if I am a PAC fan, then I am rooting for a BLOWOUT this week between LSU/Alabama. Because a close game means the loser is much more viable as a possible second SEC playoff team. Ditto for Penn State/Ohio State. You want someone to take a knockout-punch in an eye-test sense in those games.
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(11-06-2019 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 08:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 09:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  The remain schedules for the five teams from the AAC and MWC are as follows...

Cincinnati - UConn, @USF, Temple, @#19 Memphis
Memphis - @Houston, @USF, #17 Cincinnati
Boise State - Wyoming, New Mexico, @Utah State, @Colorado State
Navy - @#15 Notre Dame, #23 SMU, @Houston, ARMY
SMU - East Carolina, @#25 Navy, Tulane

The AAC final stretch is absolutely 'made-for-TV'. You are staring down the barrel at a potential Top 15 matchup between Memphis and Cincinnati in the regular season, potentially repeating itself. If those teams win out prior to that game, it is basically theirs.

Navy will make an interesting case. Memphis cannot lose another game, and a win over a ranked SMU team would catapult Navy. They can afford to lose to Notre Dame.

Boise State cannot lose another game, unless the others drop the ball as well. But there is enough strength in the last few games to solidly wedge an AAC team into the NY6 spot.

Agree on most here - but Navy cannot afford to lose to Notre Dame. Two losses will be a killer. Of course if they win, that would vault them forward hugely.

Good news for Notre Dame, too, in their effort to rise into the top 12 and a possible Cotton Bowl berth. They need teams ahead of them to lose of course, but this will give the Irish a chance to beat a ranked team.

ND going to need some help. not too much though really.... They really need to root for SEC to get 2 teams in playoffs though or else...

SEC in great shape to have 4 teams in the CFP/Access bowls.. Alabama/LSU are locks. Georgia really good shot. Florida has easy schedule left and no chance to go to Atlanta just about(would take 2 Georgia losses). Could have Alabama/LSU in playoff, Georgia in Sugar, and Florida in Orange. OR- LSU in playoff, Alabama in Sugar, Georgia in Orange, and Florida in Cotton.

Yes, four SEC teams in the NY6, like last year, is very likely. Would take some unexpected upsets, like LSU not just losing to Alabama, but then to Texas A/M as well, or Florida losing to Missouri, for teams to fall out.

Because as you say, the teams that are likely to lose a game are so high ranked they will go anyway, whereas the tenuous ones, like Florida, are unlikely to lose anymore.
Even if LSU lost 2x, they're still in.

Florida would have to lose to Missouri really for the SEC to not get 4 teams in.
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(11-06-2019 09:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 08:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 09:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  The remain schedules for the five teams from the AAC and MWC are as follows...

Cincinnati - UConn, @USF, Temple, @#19 Memphis
Memphis - @Houston, @USF, #17 Cincinnati
Boise State - Wyoming, New Mexico, @Utah State, @Colorado State
Navy - @#15 Notre Dame, #23 SMU, @Houston, ARMY
SMU - East Carolina, @#25 Navy, Tulane

The AAC final stretch is absolutely 'made-for-TV'. You are staring down the barrel at a potential Top 15 matchup between Memphis and Cincinnati in the regular season, potentially repeating itself. If those teams win out prior to that game, it is basically theirs.

Navy will make an interesting case. Memphis cannot lose another game, and a win over a ranked SMU team would catapult Navy. They can afford to lose to Notre Dame.

Boise State cannot lose another game, unless the others drop the ball as well. But there is enough strength in the last few games to solidly wedge an AAC team into the NY6 spot.

Agree on most here - but Navy cannot afford to lose to Notre Dame. Two losses will be a killer. Of course if they win, that would vault them forward hugely.

Good news for Notre Dame, too, in their effort to rise into the top 12 and a possible Cotton Bowl berth. They need teams ahead of them to lose of course, but this will give the Irish a chance to beat a ranked team.

ND going to need some help. not too much though really.... They really need to root for SEC to get 2 teams in playoffs though or else...

SEC in great shape to have 4 teams in the CFP/Access bowls.. Alabama/LSU are locks. Georgia really good shot. Florida has easy schedule left and no chance to go to Atlanta just about(would take 2 Georgia losses). Could have Alabama/LSU in playoff, Georgia in Sugar, and Florida in Orange. OR- LSU in playoff, Alabama in Sugar, Georgia in Orange, and Florida in Cotton.

Yes, four SEC teams in the NY6, like last year, is very likely. Would take some unexpected upsets, like LSU not just losing to Alabama, but then to Texas A/M as well, or Florida losing to Missouri, for teams to fall out.

Because as you say, the teams that are likely to lose a game are so high ranked they will go anyway, whereas the tenuous ones, like Florida, are unlikely to lose anymore.
Even if LSU lost 2x, they're still in.

Florida would have to lose to Missouri really for the SEC to not get 4 teams in.

As someone who is partial to LSU because I live in Baton Rouge and my child went there, I would like to think so, but .... I think not. It's easy to think of LSU as an NY6 lock right now, when the only debate about them is whether they should be #1 or not, but two losses can change perceptions quickly.

Of course, the nature of the losses will matter too. If LSU loses 20-17 to Alabama, that's one thing. Lose 30-0 and that's another. The former keeps them alive for a playoff spot, the latter knocks them out, and would make another loss possibly fatal for the NY6.
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(11-06-2019 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 08:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Agree on most here - but Navy cannot afford to lose to Notre Dame. Two losses will be a killer. Of course if they win, that would vault them forward hugely.

Good news for Notre Dame, too, in their effort to rise into the top 12 and a possible Cotton Bowl berth. They need teams ahead of them to lose of course, but this will give the Irish a chance to beat a ranked team.

ND going to need some help. not too much though really.... They really need to root for SEC to get 2 teams in playoffs though or else...

SEC in great shape to have 4 teams in the CFP/Access bowls.. Alabama/LSU are locks. Georgia really good shot. Florida has easy schedule left and no chance to go to Atlanta just about(would take 2 Georgia losses). Could have Alabama/LSU in playoff, Georgia in Sugar, and Florida in Orange. OR- LSU in playoff, Alabama in Sugar, Georgia in Orange, and Florida in Cotton.

Yes, four SEC teams in the NY6, like last year, is very likely. Would take some unexpected upsets, like LSU not just losing to Alabama, but then to Texas A/M as well, or Florida losing to Missouri, for teams to fall out.

Because as you say, the teams that are likely to lose a game are so high ranked they will go anyway, whereas the tenuous ones, like Florida, are unlikely to lose anymore.
Even if LSU lost 2x, they're still in.

Florida would have to lose to Missouri really for the SEC to not get 4 teams in.

As someone who is partial to LSU because I live in Baton Rouge and my child went there, I would like to think so, but .... I think not. It's easy to think of LSU as an NY6 lock right now, when the only debate about them is whether they should be #1 or not, but two losses can change perceptions quickly.

Of course, the nature of the losses will matter too. If LSU loses 20-17 to Alabama, that's one thing. Lose 30-0 and that's another. The former keeps them alive for a playoff spot, the latter knocks them out, and would make another loss possibly fatal for the NY6.

I don't think 2 losses would drop them out of the top 10. Not when other top teams are going to be taking losses as well... They lose once and they'll fall to only about 5 or 6 at the real lowest. Then the A&M loss, and it's only 9 or 10. Safely in the NY6.
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(11-06-2019 09:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-06-2019 09:12 AM)stever20 Wrote:  ND going to need some help. not too much though really.... They really need to root for SEC to get 2 teams in playoffs though or else...

SEC in great shape to have 4 teams in the CFP/Access bowls.. Alabama/LSU are locks. Georgia really good shot. Florida has easy schedule left and no chance to go to Atlanta just about(would take 2 Georgia losses). Could have Alabama/LSU in playoff, Georgia in Sugar, and Florida in Orange. OR- LSU in playoff, Alabama in Sugar, Georgia in Orange, and Florida in Cotton.

Yes, four SEC teams in the NY6, like last year, is very likely. Would take some unexpected upsets, like LSU not just losing to Alabama, but then to Texas A/M as well, or Florida losing to Missouri, for teams to fall out.

Because as you say, the teams that are likely to lose a game are so high ranked they will go anyway, whereas the tenuous ones, like Florida, are unlikely to lose anymore.
Even if LSU lost 2x, they're still in.

Florida would have to lose to Missouri really for the SEC to not get 4 teams in.

As someone who is partial to LSU because I live in Baton Rouge and my child went there, I would like to think so, but .... I think not. It's easy to think of LSU as an NY6 lock right now, when the only debate about them is whether they should be #1 or not, but two losses can change perceptions quickly.

Of course, the nature of the losses will matter too. If LSU loses 20-17 to Alabama, that's one thing. Lose 30-0 and that's another. The former keeps them alive for a playoff spot, the latter knocks them out, and would make another loss possibly fatal for the NY6.

I don't think 2 losses would drop them out of the top 10. Not when other top teams are going to be taking losses as well... They lose once and they'll fall to only about 5 or 6 at the real lowest. Then the A&M loss, and it's only 9 or 10. Safely in the NY6.

The correct answer is, "it depends." Most likely it doesn't, but it all depends on the nature of the losses and what happens to everyone else. Should they lose their QB, they will drop like a rock in the CFP. Should Florida and Auburn crater, their wins don't look as good.
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RE: College Football Playoff Rankings - 5 November 2019
(11-05-2019 10:18 PM)esayem Wrote:  Putting Clemson at five was the safest move the committee could make because two of those teams ahead of them WILL lose so it doesn't matter at this point. Clemson will most likely go undefeated and play a scrappy Virginia team in the ACC title. They'll win and make the playoffs.

Doesn't matter where Clemson is ranked, because if they're 13-0, they're in the playoff.

That's also true for Baylor, for that matter.

The losers of LSU-Alabama and Penn St-Ohio St need to root for the teams that play Baylor and Clemson, because if both of them win out, there won't be any non-champs in the playoff.
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(11-05-2019 09:37 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  
  1. Ohio State
  2. LSU
  3. Alabama 5
  4. Penn State 3
  5. Clemson 4
  6. Georgia 9
  7. Oregon 6
  8. Utah
  9. Oklahoma 10
  10. Florida 13
  11. Auburn 7
  12. Baylor 11
  13. Wisconsin 14
  14. Michigan 12
  15. Notre Dame 19
  16. Kansas State 23
  17. Minnesota 15
  18. Iowa
  19. Wake Forest 26
  20. Cincinnati 16
  21. Memphis 17
  22. Boise State 24
  23. Oklahoma State 25
  24. Navy 20
  25. SMU 22

Massey Composite is RED.
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