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Tribe lose a close one to OK. May be the class of the conference this year. Wow. Old coach long forgotten....
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(11-18-2019 09:03 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Tribe lose a close one to OK. May be the class of the conference this year. Wow. Old coach long forgotten....

Lol, I dare you to post that on our board
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(11-18-2019 09:03 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Tribe lose a close one to OK. May be the class of the conference this year. Wow. Old coach long forgotten....

Lol, I dare you to post that on our board


I'll wait until the end of CAA play.....04-cheers
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(11-15-2019 04:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  It irritates me to no end that we are watching other schools implement the press and we aren't/
Apparently UNCW practices 3 different presses everyday. They struggle to figure out the timing of a trap and the rotations involved. They tried a little vs Davidson if you recall but they broke it twice with 1 pass. lol
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(11-15-2019 04:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  It irritates me to no end that we are watching other schools implement the press and we aren't/
Apparently UNCW practices 3 different presses everyday. They struggle to figure out the timing of a trap and the rotations involved. They tried a little vs Davidson if you recall but they broke it twice with 1 pass. lol

These early season games are when ya got to figure that $hit out! I run a 1-3-1 half court trap(can't press until Q4) with my kids and how it looks practice vs games are two entirely different things!
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(11-19-2019 09:07 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(11-15-2019 04:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  It irritates me to no end that we are watching other schools implement the press and we aren't/
Apparently UNCW practices 3 different presses everyday. They struggle to figure out the timing of a trap and the rotations involved. They tried a little vs Davidson if you recall but they broke it twice with 1 pass. lol

Here's how stupid this is. We literally had a roster full of players who knew exactly how to run a press and had been doing so sucessfully for years. We refused to run the press with the guys who knew how, even though our defense sucked.

Now that we have rid our team of every player who actually knew how to run a press...we decide we'd like to press...and nobody knows how. Can't make this crap up.
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(11-15-2019 04:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  It irritates me to no end that we are watching other schools implement the press and we aren't/
Apparently UNCW practices 3 different presses everyday. They struggle to figure out the timing of a trap and the rotations involved. They tried a little vs Davidson if you recall but they broke it twice with 1 pass. lol

These early season games are when ya got to figure that $hit out! I run a 1-3-1 half court trap(can't press until Q4) with my kids and how it looks practice vs games are two entirely different things!

My current issue with this is sure... things always look different in game than they do in practice. However, you're coaching kids (as you admitted). What we have on our roster are technically MEN, who play D1 basketball. That's a drastic difference. Hawking stated they're practicing 3 different versions of a press continually in practice. He's right, they did play it against Davidson at the beginning of the game and quickly abandoned it (as we saw small spurts of last season). That alone leads me to believe coach will abandon it during CAA play for the most part, barring some significant changes.

Going back to my original point though, and even to 82's post just above mine... if these guys who are D1 basketball players aren't getting it and it's being focused on in practice... HOW is it being coached? Going back to when Keatts first started, he implemented it rather well with a group of someone else's players. So that excuse is wearing on me too.

I'm just curious to the quality how they're instructing the press. Especially since McGrath obviously didn't come from a coaching tree that utilizes a press.

I'm still in on support for coach and the team... but like we've all said, there had better be some massive improvements by the end of CAA play this year. Hell, I'd even be satisfied with minor improvements. We all know I'm a bit on the soft side with criticisms, and I've largely held off on voicing many of them. I just don't want people to mistake my apprehension for voicing criticisms of the staff/team on here to be taken as blind support for failures.
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(11-18-2019 09:03 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Tribe lose a close one to OK. May be the class of the conference this year. Wow. Old coach long forgotten....
I haven't forgotten him. :)

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(11-19-2019 12:00 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 09:19 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 09:07 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(11-15-2019 04:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  It irritates me to no end that we are watching other schools implement the press and we aren't/
Apparently UNCW practices 3 different presses everyday. They struggle to figure out the timing of a trap and the rotations involved. They tried a little vs Davidson if you recall but they broke it twice with 1 pass. lol

These early season games are when ya got to figure that $hit out! I run a 1-3-1 half court trap(can't press until Q4) with my kids and how it looks practice vs games are two entirely different things!

My current issue with this is sure... things always look different in game than they do in practice. However, you're coaching kids (as you admitted). What we have on our roster are technically MEN, who play D1 basketball. That's a drastic difference. Hawking stated they're practicing 3 different versions of a press continually in practice. He's right, they did play it against Davidson at the beginning of the game and quickly abandoned it (as we saw small spurts of last season). That alone leads me to believe coach will abandon it during CAA play for the most part, barring some significant changes.

Going back to my original point though, and even to 82's post just above mine... if these guys who are D1 basketball players aren't getting it and it's being focused on in practice... HOW is it being coached? Going back to when Keatts first started, he implemented it rather well with a group of someone else's players. So that excuse is wearing on me too.

I'm just curious to the quality how they're instructing the press. Especially since McGrath obviously didn't come from a coaching tree that utilizes a press.

I'm still in on support for coach and the team... but like we've all said, there had better be some massive improvements by the end of CAA play this year. Hell, I'd even be satisfied with minor improvements. We all know I'm a bit on the soft side with criticisms, and I've largely held off on voicing many of them. I just don't want people to mistake my apprehension for voicing criticisms of the staff/team on here to be taken as blind support for failures.
You are coming at me, but i feel like we pretty much agree. Whether it's kids or it's D1 players i agree with you, Successful implementation of something falls on the coach. Coaching no matter what level is not as drastic of a difference as you think. (other than the obvious, which you stated nicely) A lot of the same concepts are used. And, Like 82 said, if he's recruited the types of players that cannot implement a system that will be successful, that's also on him.

I will say this though, it's refreshing to see most people on this board recognizing what a few of us have been pointing out since very early on.
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(11-19-2019 12:00 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 09:19 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 09:07 AM)HAWKING Wrote:  
(11-15-2019 04:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  It irritates me to no end that we are watching other schools implement the press and we aren't/
Apparently UNCW practices 3 different presses everyday. They struggle to figure out the timing of a trap and the rotations involved. They tried a little vs Davidson if you recall but they broke it twice with 1 pass. lol

These early season games are when ya got to figure that $hit out! I run a 1-3-1 half court trap(can't press until Q4) with my kids and how it looks practice vs games are two entirely different things!

My current issue with this is sure... things always look different in game than they do in practice. However, you're coaching kids (as you admitted). What we have on our roster are technically MEN, who play D1 basketball. That's a drastic difference. Hawking stated they're practicing 3 different versions of a press continually in practice. He's right, they did play it against Davidson at the beginning of the game and quickly abandoned it (as we saw small spurts of last season). That alone leads me to believe coach will abandon it during CAA play for the most part, barring some significant changes.

Going back to my original point though, and even to 82's post just above mine... if these guys who are D1 basketball players aren't getting it and it's being focused on in practice... HOW is it being coached? Going back to when Keatts first started, he implemented it rather well with a group of someone else's players. So that excuse is wearing on me too.

I'm just curious to the quality how they're instructing the press. Especially since McGrath obviously didn't come from a coaching tree that utilizes a press.

I'm still in on support for coach and the team... but like we've all said, there had better be some massive improvements by the end of CAA play this year. Hell, I'd even be satisfied with minor improvements. We all know I'm a bit on the soft side with criticisms, and I've largely held off on voicing many of them. I just don't want people to mistake my apprehension for voicing criticisms of the staff/team on here to be taken as blind support for failures.

You've hit the nail on the head. McGrath has recruited himself into a hole. He hasn't recruited the players he needs to play the style he knows(why don't we have any big men and too many guards, yet we have a walk on with a scholarship?). So he is now forced to coach a scheme he doesn't know how to coach and has a staff that doesn't know how either. And if he doesn't figure it out, we are going to get creamed this year and he may be out of a job. Quite a predicament he's created for himself. Ironicallly, if we do end up recruiting a coach who knows how to press, we may have the perfect roster to succeed.
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The lack of Big Men isn't really a reason to rip C.B. When you're talking about the mid-major level, you're far more likely to end up with a bunch of Trey Kalina's than anything close to a Rendleman or Cacok. We were lucky to be able to land Dodd. I'd rather use scholarships on quality or decent guards than recruit goofy 6-10 guys with bad hands.

4-guard lineups are really the only way to win at the mid-major level. But you have to have a strategy in place to make up for the lack of size. In Year 3 we need to figure that out, and fast. Bill Coen does it every single year at Northeastern and always has that team in contention.
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(11-19-2019 02:55 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The lack of Big Men isn't really a reason to rip C.B. When you're talking about the mid-major level, you're far more likely to end up with a bunch of Trey Kalina's than anything close to a Rendleman or Cacok. We were lucky to be able to land Dodd. I'd rather use scholarships on quality or decent guards than recruit goofy 6-10 guys with bad hands.

4-guard lineups are really the only way to win at the mid-major level. But you have to have a strategy in place to make up for the lack of size. In Year 3 we need to figure that out, and fast. Bill Coen does it every single year at Northeastern and always has that team in contention.

His point was, for the style he's trying to play, you need big guys.
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(11-19-2019 03:06 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 02:55 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The lack of Big Men isn't really a reason to rip C.B. When you're talking about the mid-major level, you're far more likely to end up with a bunch of Trey Kalina's than anything close to a Rendleman or Cacok. We were lucky to be able to land Dodd. I'd rather use scholarships on quality or decent guards than recruit goofy 6-10 guys with bad hands.

4-guard lineups are really the only way to win at the mid-major level. But you have to have a strategy in place to make up for the lack of size. In Year 3 we need to figure that out, and fast. Bill Coen does it every single year at Northeastern and always has that team in contention.

His point was, for the style he's trying to play, you need big guys.

Bingo.
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(11-19-2019 03:19 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 03:06 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 02:55 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The lack of Big Men isn't really a reason to rip C.B. When you're talking about the mid-major level, you're far more likely to end up with a bunch of Trey Kalina's than anything close to a Rendleman or Cacok. We were lucky to be able to land Dodd. I'd rather use scholarships on quality or decent guards than recruit goofy 6-10 guys with bad hands.

4-guard lineups are really the only way to win at the mid-major level. But you have to have a strategy in place to make up for the lack of size. In Year 3 we need to figure that out, and fast. Bill Coen does it every single year at Northeastern and always has that team in contention.

His point was, for the style he's trying to play, you need big guys.

Bingo.

Going small is fine, if you adapt to your personnel with style of play. Based on our roster we should be doing a combination of pressing, trapping, running. The lackof running thing is just as mind boggling as not pressing. Especially when you have two pretty damn good Pgs that can/could push the pace.
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(11-19-2019 12:50 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 12:00 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 09:19 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
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(11-15-2019 04:32 PM)82hawk Wrote:  It irritates me to no end that we are watching other schools implement the press and we aren't/
Apparently UNCW practices 3 different presses everyday. They struggle to figure out the timing of a trap and the rotations involved. They tried a little vs Davidson if you recall but they broke it twice with 1 pass. lol

These early season games are when ya got to figure that $hit out! I run a 1-3-1 half court trap(can't press until Q4) with my kids and how it looks practice vs games are two entirely different things!

My current issue with this is sure... things always look different in game than they do in practice. However, you're coaching kids (as you admitted). What we have on our roster are technically MEN, who play D1 basketball. That's a drastic difference. Hawking stated they're practicing 3 different versions of a press continually in practice. He's right, they did play it against Davidson at the beginning of the game and quickly abandoned it (as we saw small spurts of last season). That alone leads me to believe coach will abandon it during CAA play for the most part, barring some significant changes.

Going back to my original point though, and even to 82's post just above mine... if these guys who are D1 basketball players aren't getting it and it's being focused on in practice... HOW is it being coached? Going back to when Keatts first started, he implemented it rather well with a group of someone else's players. So that excuse is wearing on me too.

I'm just curious to the quality how they're instructing the press. Especially since McGrath obviously didn't come from a coaching tree that utilizes a press.

I'm still in on support for coach and the team... but like we've all said, there had better be some massive improvements by the end of CAA play this year. Hell, I'd even be satisfied with minor improvements. We all know I'm a bit on the soft side with criticisms, and I've largely held off on voicing many of them. I just don't want people to mistake my apprehension for voicing criticisms of the staff/team on here to be taken as blind support for failures.
You are coming at me, but i feel like we pretty much agree. Whether it's kids or it's D1 players i agree with you, Successful implementation of something falls on the coach. Coaching no matter what level is not as drastic of a difference as you think. (other than the obvious, which you stated nicely) A lot of the same concepts are used. And, Like 82 said, if he's recruited the types of players that cannot implement a system that will be successful, that's also on him.

I will say this though, it's refreshing to see most people on this board recognizing what a few of us have been pointing out since very early on.

For clarity, I wasn't intending any negative towards you. Just sort of highlighting that I'm in agreement while pointing out a necessary differentiation in the skill level and ability to adapt to new/different schemes. IMO, kids don't adapt to new/different schemes as quickly or as well as a D1 scholarship player should be able to. By the time they are at this level of ball, they should have probably experienced bits and pieces of a number of styles. Even if they haven't experienced them, at this level their basketball IQ should be so high that it's not difficult to learn. Especially, as you guys point out... they're mostly guards. So we're not asking a roster full of bigs to learn how to press. We're asking a roster full of athletic guards to figure it out.
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Also, Hoops... just because some of us weren't on here beating that horse, doesn't mean we never had concerns. I'm just of the opinion of giving a coach time to implement and succeed prior to voicing complains and concerns so adamantly.
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(11-19-2019 03:06 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(11-19-2019 02:55 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The lack of Big Men isn't really a reason to rip C.B. When you're talking about the mid-major level, you're far more likely to end up with a bunch of Trey Kalina's than anything close to a Rendleman or Cacok. We were lucky to be able to land Dodd. I'd rather use scholarships on quality or decent guards than recruit goofy 6-10 guys with bad hands.

4-guard lineups are really the only way to win at the mid-major level. But you have to have a strategy in place to make up for the lack of size. In Year 3 we need to figure that out, and fast. Bill Coen does it every single year at Northeastern and always has that team in contention.

His point was, for the style he's trying to play, you need big guys.

Bingo.

Going small is fine, if you adapt to your personnel with style of play. Based on our roster we should be doing a combination of pressing, trapping, running. The lackof running thing is just as mind boggling as not pressing. Especially when you have two pretty damn good Pgs that can/could push the pace.


EXCEPT, our big man can't run the floor end to end like Cacok could. He tires easiy, and you can see it in the game. If we want to fully implement a 4 guard set, Dodd needs to be in the middle.

Ideal scenario is that we figure out how to press and then get on the break for easy baskets. If we somehow figure that out, we could go with this lineup.

Toews, Phillips, Sims, Boggs, Dodd.
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Our two Battle in the Capital opponents played each other tonight.
FIU 107
Cleveland State 61
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(11-19-2019 09:41 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Our two Battle in the Capital opponents played each other tonight.
FIU 107
Cleveland State 61


FIU lost to NCSU 86-77 and lost to Mississippi State 77-69

Pretty close games against pretty good competition.
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Northeastern beat Holy Cross by 57 last night.... It's literally been centuries since the Crusaders have seen such a defeat.
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