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(11-06-2019 01:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

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(11-06-2019 12:35 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 10:57 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I wish I could be as optimistic about this team as some of you are. I saw very little in this game to be positive about besides the defense and Wade. I get that it’s the first game and things should improve, but I’m really worried about where our scoring is going to come from. This is like deja vu all over again. There is still a lot of work to do to turn this offense around and actually run some plays other than having Green dribble around and take a contested jumper. I hope they show up looking sharper offensively on Sunday. At least the officiating won’t be any worse.

I agree with this POV. Jones offensive sets have always left allot to be desired. We made up for this last year with our 6'6" guard (Stith) that few teams could match up with but he's obviously gone. Most frustrating last night was being down 3 very late and not executing an effective play to get a good look at a 3.

Godwin had 3 looks at 3 in the last minute (or around the last minute). One of the three was blocked (fouled). The other 2 were as open as you could possibly get. How were they not good looks?

I just looked at the ESPN replay. Godwin took 2 shots. The first shot (the one JJ ran the play for) was partially clean blocked (hardly a good look) and I guess you could consider the 2nd after the kick out a good look but it was certainly hurried and it didn't stem from a set play.

I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

(11-06-2019 07:45 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  we lost last night to a good old fashion "home job"! I never blame the refs for losing but last night was pathetic. So many touch fouls called against us. X has got to take over games like this. He is the captain and needs to lead this team. Every team needs a "go to" guy and it needs to be X. Another thing that bothers me last year and already last night. At the end of a close game, why do we run plays for Carver to score? Why is he even end the game when we need points? I know JJ is loyal to him, but this doesn't make sense. Even if he gets fouled he can't make free throws.

I do agree the officiating was pretty damn awful last night but so was our offense.

(11-06-2019 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:35 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 10:57 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  I wish I could be as optimistic about this team as some of you are. I saw very little in this game to be positive about besides the defense and Wade. I get that it’s the first game and things should improve, but I’m really worried about where our scoring is going to come from. This is like deja vu all over again. There is still a lot of work to do to turn this offense around and actually run some plays other than having Green dribble around and take a contested jumper. I hope they show up looking sharper offensively on Sunday. At least the officiating won’t be any worse.

I agree with this POV. Jones offensive sets have always left allot to be desired. We made up for this last year with our 6'6" guard (Stith) that few teams could match up with but he's obviously gone. Most frustrating last night was being down 3 very late and not executing an effective play to get a good look at a 3.

Godwin had 3 looks at 3 in the last minute (or around the last minute). One of the three was blocked (fouled). The other 2 were as open as you could possibly get. How were they not good looks?

I just looked at the ESPN replay. Godwin took 2 shots. The first shot (the one JJ ran the play for) was partially clean blocked (hardly a good look) and I guess you could consider the 2nd after the kick out a good look but it was certainly hurried and it didn't stem from a set play.

I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

(11-06-2019 05:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:35 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  I agree with this POV. Jones offensive sets have always left allot to be desired. We made up for this last year with our 6'6" guard (Stith) that few teams could match up with but he's obviously gone. Most frustrating last night was being down 3 very late and not executing an effective play to get a good look at a 3.

Godwin had 3 looks at 3 in the last minute (or around the last minute). One of the three was blocked (fouled). The other 2 were as open as you could possibly get. How were they not good looks?

I just looked at the ESPN replay. Godwin took 2 shots. The first shot (the one JJ ran the play for) was partially clean blocked (hardly a good look) and I guess you could consider the 2nd after the kick out a good look but it was certainly hurried and it didn't stem from a set play.

I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

Im as skeptical of they come about his overall game (really like the kid though), but hes been a 35% three point shooter for his career from 3. Those are just his freshman/soph numbers, which could improve. They are way better than the guys you listed; Hill for example was not a shooter.

Last night was rough, but I'd guess he ends up being a pretty good shooter.

(11-06-2019 05:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:35 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  I agree with this POV. Jones offensive sets have always left allot to be desired. We made up for this last year with our 6'6" guard (Stith) that few teams could match up with but he's obviously gone. Most frustrating last night was being down 3 very late and not executing an effective play to get a good look at a 3.

Godwin had 3 looks at 3 in the last minute (or around the last minute). One of the three was blocked (fouled). The other 2 were as open as you could possibly get. How were they not good looks?

I just looked at the ESPN replay. Godwin took 2 shots. The first shot (the one JJ ran the play for) was partially clean blocked (hardly a good look) and I guess you could consider the 2nd after the kick out a good look but it was certainly hurried and it didn't stem from a set play.

I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

Iliadis wasn't a good shooter?

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(11-06-2019 07:21 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 05:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Godwin had 3 looks at 3 in the last minute (or around the last minute). One of the three was blocked (fouled). The other 2 were as open as you could possibly get. How were they not good looks?

I just looked at the ESPN replay. Godwin took 2 shots. The first shot (the one JJ ran the play for) was partially clean blocked (hardly a good look) and I guess you could consider the 2nd after the kick out a good look but it was certainly hurried and it didn't stem from a set play.

I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

Iliadis wasn't a good shooter?

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All I know is that the dude could make a bucket when chicken was on the line. I'll always respect him for that.

(11-06-2019 05:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:35 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  I agree with this POV. Jones offensive sets have always left allot to be desired. We made up for this last year with our 6'6" guard (Stith) that few teams could match up with but he's obviously gone. Most frustrating last night was being down 3 very late and not executing an effective play to get a good look at a 3.

Godwin had 3 looks at 3 in the last minute (or around the last minute). One of the three was blocked (fouled). The other 2 were as open as you could possibly get. How were they not good looks?

I just looked at the ESPN replay. Godwin took 2 shots. The first shot (the one JJ ran the play for) was partially clean blocked (hardly a good look) and I guess you could consider the 2nd after the kick out a good look but it was certainly hurried and it didn't stem from a set play.

I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

The list is a lot longer than that.

(11-06-2019 07:22 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 07:21 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 05:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  I just looked at the ESPN replay. Godwin took 2 shots. The first shot (the one JJ ran the play for) was partially clean blocked (hardly a good look) and I guess you could consider the 2nd after the kick out a good look but it was certainly hurried and it didn't stem from a set play.

I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

Iliadis wasn't a good shooter?

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All I know is that the dude could make a bucket when chicken was on the line. I'll always respect him for that.

Exactly.

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(11-06-2019 07:25 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 07:22 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 07:21 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 05:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

Iliadis wasn't a good shooter?

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All I know is that the dude could make a bucket when chicken was on the line. I'll always respect him for that.

Exactly.

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Glad I'm not the only one who remembers that. Free food was so delicious back then

(11-06-2019 07:41 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 07:25 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 07:22 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 07:21 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 05:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

Iliadis wasn't a good shooter?

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All I know is that the dude could make a bucket when chicken was on the line. I'll always respect him for that.

Exactly.

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Glad I'm not the only one who remembers that. Free food was so delicious back then

That was a great night of basketball and a unification of the fans over some fried chicken.

It has been a while since we have had such an inexperienced team. But it’s a talented team, so I look forward to watching the development each game. If Oliver’s game is strong, we might have something special by the close of the regular season.

(11-06-2019 12:05 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  Wade was a shining light last night.

Green is going to struggle in the beginning with being the focus of opponents defense. It was a lot easier for him when Caver and Stith were getting the defensive attention. Now it's on him and will be all season. He'll figure it out and rise above.

Need to see the 2 PG's more but they drive me crazy not using the backboard on layups. They miss so many because they seemingly refuse to use it. That goes for our front court as well. UNI used the backboard and made shots down low. That's an old man rant but we don't always have the finesse to finger tip roll in shots - bang it off the freakin' glass and put it in the hole! So much easier.

We play such good D that we will be in most games and we'll either be hitting shots or we won't be which will determine the outcome of the game. Not in depth analysis but it's pretty obviously accurate.

Amen on using the backboard. I'm sure I have at least one post in my history where I brought this up. Fundamentals never age. Missing while looking cool has never made sense to me. Those points are too important. Ok, another old man rant ending now.

I flew cross country today, so I’m too tired to read this entire thread. So if my point has already been made, please forgive me.

I saw a ton of offensive fouls for moving screens that can and will be cleaned up. In most cases the guards were too eager and didn’t let the screener get set. Simply a case of early season “buck fever” that should pass. Everyone was playing a little too fast. Its common in early games. They should settle down. I used to tell my players to take Wyatt Earp’s advice: “In a gunfight, you’ve got to take your time in a hurry.” Play fast, but under control.

Panther fan here. Great game. Stressful, but very competitive. SO MANY shots circled the bowl and went out.
There were a lot of fouls.
Moving screens. One of our defensive goals includes battling around screens. At least twice, I think what happened was Dickens set a screen, but then just as the PG defender went to run behind him, he started to roll to the basket and they ran into each other. And Dickens was called for a moving screen.
Anyway, I hope you guys get a waiver soon for your transfer and win out.

(11-06-2019 05:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:35 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  I agree with this POV. Jones offensive sets have always left allot to be desired. We made up for this last year with our 6'6" guard (Stith) that few teams could match up with but he's obviously gone. Most frustrating last night was being down 3 very late and not executing an effective play to get a good look at a 3.

Godwin had 3 looks at 3 in the last minute (or around the last minute). One of the three was blocked (fouled). The other 2 were as open as you could possibly get. How were they not good looks?

I just looked at the ESPN replay. Godwin took 2 shots. The first shot (the one JJ ran the play for) was partially clean blocked (hardly a good look) and I guess you could consider the 2nd after the kick out a good look but it was certainly hurried and it didn't stem from a set play.

I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

5 of 8 beyond the arc today against St. Joes (and when the pressure was on). And don’t forget his huge three last year against the Cuse at the end of the first half. Quis is a shooter.

His problem today was 0-7 from 2

I’ll take that “problem” all day when he’s hitting 5 of 8 from three - and hitting clutch FTs down the stretch. Our PGs are going to be able to penetrate and kick out for opportunities.

(11-06-2019 05:06 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 01:33 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 12:35 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  I agree with this POV. Jones offensive sets have always left allot to be desired. We made up for this last year with our 6'6" guard (Stith) that few teams could match up with but he's obviously gone. Most frustrating last night was being down 3 very late and not executing an effective play to get a good look at a 3.

Godwin had 3 looks at 3 in the last minute (or around the last minute). One of the three was blocked (fouled). The other 2 were as open as you could possibly get. How were they not good looks?

I just looked at the ESPN replay. Godwin took 2 shots. The first shot (the one JJ ran the play for) was partially clean blocked (hardly a good look) and I guess you could consider the 2nd after the kick out a good look but it was certainly hurried and it didn't stem from a set play.

I couldn't remember completely.

Goodwin got an open shot at 2:21 and knocked down the 3. Got a look with 1:30 (maybe a long 2) and airball. Then had 2 looks when down 3; 1 of them being wide open. The first one would have been a wide open 3 look if he had not momentarily bobbled the pass and looked down at his feet to see if he was behind the line. The 2nd one was obviously off the scramble.

They had good looks down the stretch though. Wade missed a layup (probably should have been a foul). Goodwin missed 3 jumpers.

Godwin is another in a long line of ODU players who you think is a good shooter, looks like a good shooter, but just can't put the ball in the basket. The Australian shooting guard Iliadis comes to mind, as well as Batten, Donte Hill, etc.

This is such a trash take. It was Godwin's first game back from injury. First live action in almost 11 months. You think he wasn't going to be rusty? He sure bounced back yesterday by going 5 - 8 from deep. I would put money on Godwin being better than each of the players you listed by career's end.

(11-06-2019 09:14 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 07:45 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  we lost last night to a good old fashion "home job"! I never blame the refs for losing but last night was pathetic. So many touch fouls called against us. X has got to take over games like this. He is the captain and needs to lead this team. Every team needs a "go to" guy and it needs to be X. Another thing that bothers me last year and already last night. At the end of a close game, why do we run plays for Carver to score? Why is he even end the game when we need points? I know JJ is loyal to him, but this doesn't make sense. Even if he gets fouled he can't make free throws.

I could not agree more with your accurate assessment of the officiating and wondering why Carver was in the game. ODU is a team that struggles to score. When Carver is in the game we are playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end of the floor. If you can't score you can't win. 53 points in a game is bad offense. We scored 40 points in the NCAA tournament last year. I know someone is going to say what a great defensive player Carver is...Sorry,but his defense does not make up for the empty jersey he is on the other end of the floor..If JJ continues to stubbornly play Carver 20 to 30 minutes a game not only will we be a bad scoring team but we will also be a boring team to watch. We have two 6ft 8in Sophomores who will make us a much better team playing more minutes and Carver playing much fewer minutes.

When I am proven wrong I must step up and admit it. Carver pulled down 20 rebounds against St. Joes.He deserves all the minutes he gets. 20 rebounds...WOW!!!!!!!