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Big Sky Conference Expansion Article
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There is already talk that Dixie State to join. One ideal is to split between north and south which could make room for more schools to join. The ideal is to play a 12th game as the north champ taken on the south champ. This might also make room for the 4 GNAC schools, RMAC and Lone Star Conference schools to be in the lineup. We do not know who the other schools besides Dixie State being mentioned, but this could be a Big Sky/WAC joining forces to pull something like this off.
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(11-02-2019 08:01 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big Sky Conference News

There is already talk that Dixie State to join. One ideal is to split between north and south which could make room for more schools to join. The ideal is to play a 12th game as the north champ taken on the south champ. This might also make room for the 4 GNAC schools, RMAC and Lone Star Conference schools to be in the lineup. We do not know who the other schools besides Dixie State being mentioned, but this could be a Big Sky/WAC joining forces to pull something like this off.

Not a conference expansion but splitting football into two football only conferences.
Adding Dixie St helps a lot Three Utah three California and NAU for Southern conference. BSNFC and BSSFC could even be the names same office. Twelve games is a against the rules and unnecessary.
The biggest obstacles would NAU and Weber go for it .
Three in Utah and three in California is pretty good for those schools.
The important thing to remember is it would be a six game conference schedule. So Weber could play Idaho St every year their rivals fairly close.
Montana would still play in California and Utah. I don't see a downside really. Davis and Poly get their bus league and can establish rivalries better. Montana vs EWU is the biggest lossfor rivalry purposes in the most recent set up. San Diego could add scholarships and have a pretty sweet set up WCC for everything else. Why not take advantage of being able to have football only conferences ? If problems came about switch back .
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Not that it’s impossible because rules don’t seem to matter much, but the Big Sky should set the trend and spit into divisions and hold a CCG at the FCS level and get the waiver since they hand those out like like candy on Halloween.

There is a big gap anyway between the semifinals and finals that the FCS can delay another week for playoffs.
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What good does a CCG do a conference like the Big Sky that will get 3-4 bids regardless?
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(11-02-2019 10:09 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  What good does a CCG do a conference like the Big Sky that will get 3-4 bids regardless?

Not to mention the vast distances within the Big Sky.
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There are a few coaches not happy - looking at Montana schools. But once again coaches don’t make conference decisions.

You also have to factor in Tarleton State. Dixie is not just going to abandon them.

BSC won’t do anything, nor should it until it decides to go off of the odd number in all sports
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Agree, the #s and distance involved, support having division. If they expand, divisions become more needed.
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Plus, you do get a school from the D2 in the L. A. area that could help as well to bridge San Diego to the Northern California schools. Tarleton State could help with Angelo State, Midwestern State and West Texas A&M could bridge to N. Arizona.

Southern BSC:
Azusa Pacific
San Diego
UC-Davis
Cal. Poly
Sacramento State
S. Utah
Dixie State
N. Arizona
Tarleton State
West Texas A&M
CSU-Pueblo

BSC North:
Eastern Washington
Central Washington
Portland State
Western Oregon
Simon Fraser gets a waiver and could host a PAC 12 team at the CFL/Olympics stadium. Could see if British Columbia moves to D2, and they are like an AAU type institution.
Idaho
Idaho State
Weber State
Montana
Montana State
N. Colorado
Colorado Mesa

You get strong football programs in both. C. Washington nearly beat Idaho this year.
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I think this article pretty much puts to rest the rumor that the Big Sky is working with the WAC to spin off some of the Big Sky football programs into a new WAC-sponsored FCS league. The Big Sky has historically viewed the WAC as a threat to its vision of being the only western D-I football alternative to the Pac-12 and MWC and it looks like that hasn’t changed.
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(11-02-2019 10:24 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  There are a few coaches not happy - looking at Montana schools. But once again coaches don’t make conference decisions.

You also have to factor in Tarleton State. Dixie is not just going to abandon them.

BSC won’t do anything, nor should it until it decides to go off of the odd number in all sports

I could see Dixie State getting a football-only offer if a supermajority of the existing Big Sky football schools were in favor of creating separate Big Sky North and Big Sky South conferences.

Just looking at a map, it would actually make sense to put Weber State in the North with its historical Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Montana rivals and put Northern Colorado in the South with the California, Arizona and remaining Utah schools.

There would be no need to add Dixie State’s Olympic sports as 11 is a good size for Big Sky basketball. It facilitates a 20-game round-robin conference schedule which is becoming more attractive these days compared to the traditional 16 or 18 game schedule. The MWC is doing fine with 11 and the Big West will settle in at 11 next year.
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(11-02-2019 01:28 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I think this article pretty much puts to rest the rumor that the Big Sky is working with the WAC to spin off some of the Big Sky football programs into a new WAC-sponsored FCS league. The Big Sky has historically viewed the WAC as a threat to its vision of being the only western D-I football alternative to the Pac-12 and MWC and it looks like that hasn’t changed.

It does sound like the Big Sky commissioner wants to maintain a monopoly on FCS football in the west. But, the Big Sky can keep that monopoly without doing anything at all, and there's no reason to think that there is genuine momentum (i.e., enough votes from Big Sky presidents) to actually do anything suggested in that article.
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(11-02-2019 02:01 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 10:24 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  There are a few coaches not happy - looking at Montana schools. But once again coaches don’t make conference decisions.

You also have to factor in Tarleton State. Dixie is not just going to abandon them.

BSC won’t do anything, nor should it until it decides to go off of the odd number in all sports

I could see Dixie State getting a football-only offer if a supermajority of the existing Big Sky football schools were in favor of creating separate Big Sky North and Big Sky South conferences.

Just looking at a map, it would actually make sense to put Weber State in the North with its historical Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Montana rivals and put Northern Colorado in the South with the California, Arizona and remaining Utah schools.

There would be no need to add Dixie State’s Olympic sports as 11 is a good size for Big Sky basketball. It facilitates a 20-game round-robin conference schedule which is becoming more attractive these days compared to the traditional 16 or 18 game schedule. The MWC is doing fine with 11 and the Big West will settle in at 11 next year.

Dixie State might be down with a FB-only invite, but what about the WAC? And - what happens to Tarleton State's program? FCS independence is no joke.
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(11-02-2019 01:28 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The Big Sky has historically viewed the WAC as a threat to its vision of being the only western D-I football alternative to the Pac-12 and MWC and it looks like that hasn’t changed.

I know this has been the corporate vision of the Big Sky going back to Fullerton. And I get how this serves the Big Sky Conference as a conglomerated entity. What I don't get is how it ever served the actual schools in the conference.

They helped kill WAC football, and what did it get them? A far-flung one-bid basketball league with too many teams in it, a stupidly bloated football conference, and no obvious escape route for anybody. Hooray?
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How did the Big Sky help kill WAC football?

Big Sky had zero to do with that
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Ultimately I doubt it made much of a difference to WAC football, but the Big Sky got so large partially because it was adding schools to keep other schools from bolting to the WAC. It's too late for me to want to dig for very long, but below is an article on the Cal Poly/Davis adds in 2010 and how part of the motivation was to keep anyone from thinking about going to the WAC. If I spent more time on it I could find another decade's worth of articles with megalomaniacal Fullerton quotes about his grand designs for the Big Sky that generally involved tearing other conferences down rather than building his up.

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/sports/col...32453.html
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(11-02-2019 10:09 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  What good does a CCG do a conference like the Big Sky that will get 3-4 bids regardless?

Seeding? Plus, if it brings more games and television to a campus, there is some value to it.

Like ACC lacrosse. Most of the teams get into the tournament anyway, so AQ isn’t that big a deal. That tv money though...
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(11-03-2019 12:54 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Ultimately I doubt it made much of a difference to WAC football, but the Big Sky got so large partially because it was adding schools to keep other schools from bolting to the WAC. It's too late for me to want to dig for very long, but below is an article on the Cal Poly/Davis adds in 2010 and how part of the motivation was to keep anyone from thinking about going to the WAC. If I spent more time on it I could find another decade's worth of articles with megalomaniacal Fullerton quotes about his grand designs for the Big Sky that generally involved tearing other conferences down rather than building his up.

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/sports/col...32453.html


Kinda kill the D2 football as well. For the Big Sky to continue to block the WAC from restarting a football conference? That includes getting Dixie State, CSU-Pueblo, Colorado Mesa, Central Washington, Western Oregon, Simon Fraser, Azusa Pacific and maybe Southern Oregon down the road from the NAIA. You get all the large schools from joining the WAC.
But, that monopoly is about to burst when the Montana schools are not happy. The conference is too far apart, and the travel expense will go up even more for football. I wish more of the large public schools out west starts adding football, and the large JUCOs turn 4 year, and join the NCAAs. UC system in California could pick and choose from the many JUCOs to make their next UC-fill in the blanks.
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The MVFC and the Pioneer football conference run out of the same office.
The only problem I see is who wants to join the South conference/ division from the longtime members.
I would think NAU would benefit the most from having three California schools and two Southern Utah schools.
The tricky one is Weber St their rival is ISU probably want to stay with the Montana schools.
UNC probably could go either way .
I doubt they name one of the conferences which would really be a division WACFC.
They probably end up playing 2-4 non conference games against each other.

If the season ended today Weber St would be North champs Sacramento St South champs. With the Montana schools getting at large bids.
What the Big Sky could do is kick off their next season with the champs playing each other .
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(11-02-2019 10:24 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  There are a few coaches not happy - looking at Montana schools. But once again coaches don’t make conference decisions.

You also have to factor in Tarleton State. Dixie is not just going to abandon them.

BSC won’t do anything, nor should it until it decides to go off of the odd number in all sports

Are you suggesting that Dixie State will not join the Big Sky if Tarleton State isn't also invited? As if the former somehow feels some altruistic obligation to the latter?
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(11-03-2019 12:54 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Ultimately I doubt it made much of a difference to WAC football, but the Big Sky got so large partially because it was adding schools to keep other schools from bolting to the WAC. It's too late for me to want to dig for very long, but below is an article on the Cal Poly/Davis adds in 2010 and how part of the motivation was to keep anyone from thinking about going to the WAC. If I spent more time on it I could find another decade's worth of articles with megalomaniacal Fullerton quotes about his grand designs for the Big Sky that generally involved tearing other conferences down rather than building his up.

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/sports/col...32453.html

Fullerton always seemed like a blowhard.

OTOH, at the time of that article in 2010, the Big Sky and Big West each had 9 full members.

It's very doubtful that Karl Benson could have ever convinced 4 or more schools in sparsely populated areas in the west to make the expensive move to FBS football. But, if the WAC had poached Cal Poly and UC Davis and 2 or more schools from the Big Sky, it would have left the Big West with 7 members and the Big Sky with 7 or fewer. So, the defensive move of letting Cal Poly and UC Davis play Big Sky football makes good sense.

Of course, that doesn't automatically mean that every other move the Big Sky has made in the last 20 years was a good move...
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