(10-31-2019 09:18 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-31-2019 08:50 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  More evidence that #TheRiceWay is failing in Men’s athletics.

Take it easy it’s a scrimmage.

Agreed, and coach Pera was VERY liberal with his use of inexperienced Freshman, especially during the first 30 minutes of the game. Our 3-point shooting from Murphy, Martin and Adams was exceptional. Mullins played sparingly and is clearly rusty (with yesterday his first day back at practice). What was disappointing was we were badly out hustled and out rebounded the entire second half, missed a ton of free throws, and once again showed an inability to stop anything in the paint (whether on drives or the low post).

I would assume that if women's basketball played St. Edwards they might eke out a win...by 70.

I would not call an exhibition game a scrimmage. It is one notch above that. Embarrassing to lose and not a good sign of what we might see this season. Hopefully a wake-up call.

St. Edward's is good, give them some credit. They're a veteran team that played hard.

If you could put together our men's basketball offense with the football team's defense, then maybe we'd have something. I thought the offense was decent except down the stretch we were a little sloppy. Defense wasn't good, and rebounding too was bad.

We do need Mullins to be 100 percent.

On the offense, the outside shooting was fairly good but we had little inside game. On defense we were weak all around, poor perimeter coverage and allowed too many drives. We may be able to outscore some teams but we will need to improve our defense.

Pera's quote: "You have to give all the credit to St. Edward's. They are a very well-coached team. They played better and deserved to win. We made a good run, taking a nine-point lead. But, to their credit, they kept coming. They made plays when they had to, they made shots when they had to and got offensive rebounds when they had to. We played well in spurts. We looked good at times. But, this is what exhibitions are for. Here is what I know about our guys. They are going to come to work on Saturday. They are going to take the coaching and the teaching the way they need to take it. They'll have a good approach and they'll have the wherewithal to try to get better so that this doesn't happen on Tuesday night when they start keeping wins and losses."

(10-31-2019 11:03 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Pera's quote: "You have to give all the credit to St. Edward's. They are a very well-coached team. They played better and deserved to win. We made a good run, taking a nine-point lead. But, to their credit, they kept coming. They made plays when they had to, they made shots when they had to and got offensive rebounds when they had to. We played well in spurts. We looked good at times. But, this is what exhibitions are for. Here is what I know about our guys. They are going to come to work on Saturday. They are going to take the coaching and the teaching the way they need to take it. They'll have a good approach and they'll have the wherewithal to try to get better so that this doesn't happen on Tuesday night when they start keeping wins and losses."

Good job of applying the lipstick, but a home loss to a Div II team cannot be spun positively.

Disappointed in getting shoved around on the inside at both ends of the court. Not much was being called and St Ed’s in spite of being smaller repeatedly would bump off the defender to make the shot or get the rebound and score. Points in the paint and second chance points tell the tale. PIP 32-18. 2nd Chance Points. 20-5.

13 of our 18 TO’s were by the starters. On the plus side Trey played 28 minutes with no TO’s, 8 Rebounds (3/5), 6-10from 3, and had 3 blocks. Huge improvement in areas other than scoring...I commented that he probably had a text from Rhoades after the game wanting to know if he was interested in VCU...bad joke but his game stood out that much.

(10-31-2019 09:51 PM)Houston Owl 2 Wrote:  I would assume that if women's basketball played St. Edwards they might eke out a win...by 70.

Women’s basketball is probably the most lopsided sport in the NCAA.

(11-01-2019 08:30 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(10-31-2019 11:03 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Pera's quote: "You have to give all the credit to St. Edward's. They are a very well-coached team. They played better and deserved to win. We made a good run, taking a nine-point lead. But, to their credit, they kept coming. They made plays when they had to, they made shots when they had to and got offensive rebounds when they had to. We played well in spurts. We looked good at times. But, this is what exhibitions are for. Here is what I know about our guys. They are going to come to work on Saturday. They are going to take the coaching and the teaching the way they need to take it. They'll have a good approach and they'll have the wherewithal to try to get better so that this doesn't happen on Tuesday night when they start keeping wins and losses."

Good job of applying the lipstick, but a home loss to a Div II team cannot be spun positively.

Texas tech lost to UTEP and I think they’re ok. Can we wait a few actual games before we start melting down on here?

(11-01-2019 10:30 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(11-01-2019 08:30 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(10-31-2019 11:03 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Pera's quote: "You have to give all the credit to St. Edward's. They are a very well-coached team. They played better and deserved to win. We made a good run, taking a nine-point lead. But, to their credit, they kept coming. They made plays when they had to, they made shots when they had to and got offensive rebounds when they had to. We played well in spurts. We looked good at times. But, this is what exhibitions are for. Here is what I know about our guys. They are going to come to work on Saturday. They are going to take the coaching and the teaching the way they need to take it. They'll have a good approach and they'll have the wherewithal to try to get better so that this doesn't happen on Tuesday night when they start keeping wins and losses."

Good job of applying the lipstick, but a home loss to a Div II team cannot be spun positively.

Texas tech lost to UTEP and I think they’re ok. Can we wait a few actual games before we start melting down on here?

I wouldn't call this a meltdown, but I think there's justification in being worried about expected areas of concern:

> Our three bigs (don't know where Tim Harrison was) played a total of 22 minutes. Peterson and Murphy have good length for guards, but let's not mistake them for guys that can body bigger guys. Giving up 16 offensive rebounds will be the norm unless somebody steps up

> Mullins, who's probably our starting PG, had 4 turnovers in 15 minutes (playing hurt probably contributed to that). Him being tighter with the ball was a big thing coming into the year

> We gave up 43/39/87 splits to a d2 team. We can use the exhibition excuse, but Pera hasn't been able to coach a defense in the last 5-6 years. So we can be justifiably concerned that this is more a sign of a pretty clear trend than an outlier

All that said, Arkansas is a really small team so they actually might be a relatively good power conference matchup for us.

(11-01-2019 10:30 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(11-01-2019 08:30 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(10-31-2019 11:03 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  Pera's quote: "You have to give all the credit to St. Edward's. They are a very well-coached team. They played better and deserved to win. We made a good run, taking a nine-point lead. But, to their credit, they kept coming. They made plays when they had to, they made shots when they had to and got offensive rebounds when they had to. We played well in spurts. We looked good at times. But, this is what exhibitions are for. Here is what I know about our guys. They are going to come to work on Saturday. They are going to take the coaching and the teaching the way they need to take it. They'll have a good approach and they'll have the wherewithal to try to get better so that this doesn't happen on Tuesday night when they start keeping wins and losses."

Good job of applying the lipstick, but a home loss to a Div II team cannot be spun positively.

Texas tech lost to UTEP and I think they’re ok. Can we wait a few actual games before we start melting down on here?

Meltdown? It's a bad loss that bodes ill for the season. That's a rational conclusion, not a meltdown.

Someone on the CUSA board noted that UTSA lost to St. Edward's in an exhibition last year (by 1, but they were down by 9 or 10 late and UTSA made it close). Also, we beat this team last year by 5 but honestly, that game's ebb and flow went quite a bit like last night (other than the final 3 minutes).

UTSA wasn't bad last year. We were just average. This year's team is probably somewhere inbetween (hopefully close to 2018-19 UTSA than 2018-19 Rice).

Alittle good news perhaps:
I tend to think you either have offense (talent) or you don't.
Defense is something an average player can do well with coaching and effort.

The team went 11 deep during the game and rotated liberally which we will likely not see as the team gets deeper into the regular season. Rotation on Trey Murphy's shot was much better than last year and you could see it in his point total. Mullins play was a concern, he routinely put his head down when he drove to the bucket and got picked a few times during those drives. This team is much quicker than previous teams that Rice has put on the court for the past few years. turnovers down low were concerning as well as the number of times St Edwards players got the right angles and made shots in the paint. If the team learns to play defense it will be a good season. If not, it will be a long one....

(11-03-2019 01:01 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  The team went 11 deep during the game and rotated liberally which we will likely not see as the team gets deeper into the regular season. Rotation on Trey Murphy's shot was much better than last year and you could see it in his point total. Mullins play was a concern, he routinely put his head down when he drove to the bucket and got picked a few times during those drives. This team is much quicker than previous teams that Rice has put on the court for the past few years. turnovers down low were concerning as well as the number of times St Edwards players got the right angles and made shots in the paint. If the team learns to play defense it will be a good season. If not, it will be a long one....

Gives Mullins a break as he had just returned to practice the day before the St.Edwards exhibition after missing over a month. He was clearly rusty and not yet in game shape.

(11-03-2019 01:13 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-03-2019 01:01 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  The team went 11 deep during the game and rotated liberally which we will likely not see as the team gets deeper into the regular season. Rotation on Trey Murphy's shot was much better than last year and you could see it in his point total. Mullins play was a concern, he routinely put his head down when he drove to the bucket and got picked a few times during those drives. This team is much quicker than previous teams that Rice has put on the court for the past few years. turnovers down low were concerning as well as the number of times St Edwards players got the right angles and made shots in the paint. If the team learns to play defense it will be a good season. If not, it will be a long one....

Gives Mullins a break as he had just returned to practice the day before the St.Edwards exhibition after missing over a month. He was clearly rusty and not yet in game shape.

Fair enough. I just remember that turnovers were a killer for the Owls last year and Mullins averaged about 3.3 a game in 2018/2019. Further, I watched him drive to the bucket with his head down instead of viewing the court, which is not related to coming off an injury. I do believe that his game will continue to develop and he will be a solid guard and floor leader this season.