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(11-02-2019 11:39 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  The ball movement looked great, I think Brannen’s offense will produce a lot of good looks and we have some shooters in the Cumberlands and McNeal that can knock them down. Looks like McNeal could be a real find, and Adams-Woods not too shabby for a frosh south paw PG. I don’t expect a lot from these underclassmen but I think they have potential.

Say what you want about Vogt and Sorolla, but you can’t teach 7 ft, and it’s nice to be able to throw 2 of those guys out there with 10 fouls. I don’t think they showed nearly as bad as some on this board opined.

I liked the man to man defense looks like this team is not going to give up as many looks from 3, although they may eventually struggle against dribble penetration when we see some good athletes on the other side of the ball.

Not particularly worried about offensive rebounding if we are getting good shots and hitting 50% of our 3 pointers.

Should be a fun year.

I agree on Vogt. I believe he will have some big offensive games for the team this year. He's much better than i expected around the rim.

It will be interesting to see how we defense Kaleb Wesson. In their loss last year against Houston in the NCAA tournament Wesson shot about all three point shots. Will that part of his game be used less with the expanded three point line. We probably want maybe to switch and have Scott on him out on the floor and not Vogt or Sorolla. When he is in the lane with 10 fouls to give we certainly can try to be physical with him.

(11-02-2019 12:09 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how we defense Kaleb Wesson. In their loss last year against Houston in the NCAA tournament Wesson shot about all three point shots. Will that part of his game be used less with the expanded three point line. We probably want maybe to switch and have Scott on him out on the floor and not Vogt or Sorolla. When he is in the lane with 10 fouls to give we certainly can try to be physical with him.

Throw MDiarra in there, we've got 15 fouls to give. MD can actually pick him up on out the floor. I though watching him Thursday his most improved trait was his footwork. He's moving his feat much more smoothly this year. He's got two years left after this season. If he puts it together it's going to be fun to watch. He can get up and down the floor like no 6'10 or 6'11 guys i've seen. He runs like a deer.

(11-02-2019 01:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 12:09 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how we defense Kaleb Wesson. In their loss last year against Houston in the NCAA tournament Wesson shot about all three point shots. Will that part of his game be used less with the expanded three point line. We probably want maybe to switch and have Scott on him out on the floor and not Vogt or Sorolla. When he is in the lane with 10 fouls to give we certainly can try to be physical with him.

Throw MDiarra in there, we've got 15 fouls to give. MD can actually pick him up on out the floor. I though watching him Thursday his most improved trait was his footwork. He's moving his feat much more smoothly this year. He's got two years left after this season. If he puts it together it's going to be fun to watch. He can get up and down the floor like no 6'10 or 6'11 guys i've seen. He runs like a deer.

Yeah, athleticism and movement wise Diarra looks a lot like Pascal Siakam. If he can get his basketball skills and understanding to anywhere close to Siakam's level he will be an excellent player and could end up in the NBA.

My biggest concern is about if Vogt/Sorolla know how to be physical, especially when it comes to rebounds. As Rath said, they didn't make much effort to get positioning against Thomas More. Sorolla is at least strong and was at least getting deep post ups against Thomas More, but Vogt couldn't even post up the 6'6" Thomas More guy with any regularity. Neither of them two move well either, so I imagine between the three point shooting threat and him posting them up, Vogt and Sorolla are going to commit a lot of fouls quickly. If I'm OSU's coach I'm telling them to go to Wesson every possession until we prove we can stop him.

(11-02-2019 02:26 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 01:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 12:09 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how we defense Kaleb Wesson. In their loss last year against Houston in the NCAA tournament Wesson shot about all three point shots. Will that part of his game be used less with the expanded three point line. We probably want maybe to switch and have Scott on him out on the floor and not Vogt or Sorolla. When he is in the lane with 10 fouls to give we certainly can try to be physical with him.

Throw MDiarra in there, we've got 15 fouls to give. MD can actually pick him up on out the floor. I though watching him Thursday his most improved trait was his footwork. He's moving his feat much more smoothly this year. He's got two years left after this season. If he puts it together it's going to be fun to watch. He can get up and down the floor like no 6'10 or 6'11 guys i've seen. He runs like a deer.

Yeah, athleticism and movement wise Diarra looks a lot like Pascal Siakam. If he can get his basketball skills and understanding to anywhere close to Siakam's level he will be an excellent player and could end up in the NBA.

My biggest concern is about if Vogt/Sorolla know how to be physical, especially when it comes to rebounds. As Rath said, they didn't make much effort to get positioning against Thomas More. Sorolla is at least strong and was at least getting deep post ups against Thomas More, but Vogt couldn't even post up the 6'6" Thomas More guy with any regularity. Neither of them two move well either, so I imagine between the three point shooting threat and him posting them up, Vogt and Sorolla are going to commit a lot of fouls quickly. If I'm OSU's coach I'm telling them to go to Wesson every possession until we prove we can stop him.

Gosh should we even show up ? Yes on paper they probably should win this at home. Really think there is not the pressure on us we had last year opening up the new arena. They have a bunch of young talent but lost quite a bit of production at the guard position from last year and I think we have the advantage on the perimeter. If there had been forums back during Ed Jucker's first season I bet there would have been plenty of this doom and gloom being throw around when they lost three of their first seven. I am sure we will have plenty of rough edges with our play to start the season. Hope we use our deep roster, play loose and force the game to be up tempo. Think trading three point shots against opponents two point attempts will be a big part of our success this year.

(11-02-2019 02:26 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 01:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 12:09 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how we defense Kaleb Wesson. In their loss last year against Houston in the NCAA tournament Wesson shot about all three point shots. Will that part of his game be used less with the expanded three point line. We probably want maybe to switch and have Scott on him out on the floor and not Vogt or Sorolla. When he is in the lane with 10 fouls to give we certainly can try to be physical with him.

Throw MDiarra in there, we've got 15 fouls to give. MD can actually pick him up on out the floor. I though watching him Thursday his most improved trait was his footwork. He's moving his feat much more smoothly this year. He's got two years left after this season. If he puts it together it's going to be fun to watch. He can get up and down the floor like no 6'10 or 6'11 guys i've seen. He runs like a deer.

Yeah, athleticism and movement wise Diarra looks a lot like Pascal Siakam. If he can get his basketball skills and understanding to anywhere close to Siakam's level he will be an excellent player and could end up in the NBA.

My biggest concern is about if Vogt/Sorolla know how to be physical, especially when it comes to rebounds. As Rath said, they didn't make much effort to get positioning against Thomas More. Sorolla is at least strong and was at least getting deep post ups against Thomas More, but Vogt couldn't even post up the 6'6" Thomas More guy with any regularity. Neither of them two move well either, so I imagine between the three point shooting threat and him posting them up, Vogt and Sorolla are going to commit a lot of fouls quickly. If I'm OSU's coach I'm telling them to go to Wesson every possession until we prove we can stop him.

That's what they will do to everyone they play. That said, we've got a lot of fouls to give. Vogt posted up several times successfully. He was doubled when he got the ball, but passed out of it. My guess is Wesson will not guard the 5. The key with Wesson is to make him play defense.

(11-02-2019 03:32 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 02:26 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 01:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 12:09 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how we defense Kaleb Wesson. In their loss last year against Houston in the NCAA tournament Wesson shot about all three point shots. Will that part of his game be used less with the expanded three point line. We probably want maybe to switch and have Scott on him out on the floor and not Vogt or Sorolla. When he is in the lane with 10 fouls to give we certainly can try to be physical with him.

Throw MDiarra in there, we've got 15 fouls to give. MD can actually pick him up on out the floor. I though watching him Thursday his most improved trait was his footwork. He's moving his feat much more smoothly this year. He's got two years left after this season. If he puts it together it's going to be fun to watch. He can get up and down the floor like no 6'10 or 6'11 guys i've seen. He runs like a deer.

Yeah, athleticism and movement wise Diarra looks a lot like Pascal Siakam. If he can get his basketball skills and understanding to anywhere close to Siakam's level he will be an excellent player and could end up in the NBA.

My biggest concern is about if Vogt/Sorolla know how to be physical, especially when it comes to rebounds. As Rath said, they didn't make much effort to get positioning against Thomas More. Sorolla is at least strong and was at least getting deep post ups against Thomas More, but Vogt couldn't even post up the 6'6" Thomas More guy with any regularity. Neither of them two move well either, so I imagine between the three point shooting threat and him posting them up, Vogt and Sorolla are going to commit a lot of fouls quickly. If I'm OSU's coach I'm telling them to go to Wesson every possession until we prove we can stop him.

That's what they will do to everyone they play. That said, we've got a lot of fouls to give. Vogt posted up several times successfully. He was doubled when he got the ball, but passed out of it. My guess is Wesson will not guard the 5. The key with Wesson is to make him play defense.

Wesson started at the 5 in their scrimmage and the Buckeye consensus seems to be that he will play center - probably backed up by one of their freshmen. If the goal is to have him not play defense, then putting him on a guy who is no threat from beyond 5 feet (Vogt) seems like a safe bet. Vogt rarely got deep post ups (Sorolla did better at it) and that's against a 6'6" guy. Perhaps we go small and use Scott at the 5. OSU is actually pretty small outside of Wesson, so it would be a pretty good matchup outside of the 5. But Scott would be giving up 50 pounds, so it would be a challenge for him.

(11-02-2019 03:22 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 02:26 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 01:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 12:09 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how we defense Kaleb Wesson. In their loss last year against Houston in the NCAA tournament Wesson shot about all three point shots. Will that part of his game be used less with the expanded three point line. We probably want maybe to switch and have Scott on him out on the floor and not Vogt or Sorolla. When he is in the lane with 10 fouls to give we certainly can try to be physical with him.

Throw MDiarra in there, we've got 15 fouls to give. MD can actually pick him up on out the floor. I though watching him Thursday his most improved trait was his footwork. He's moving his feat much more smoothly this year. He's got two years left after this season. If he puts it together it's going to be fun to watch. He can get up and down the floor like no 6'10 or 6'11 guys i've seen. He runs like a deer.

Yeah, athleticism and movement wise Diarra looks a lot like Pascal Siakam. If he can get his basketball skills and understanding to anywhere close to Siakam's level he will be an excellent player and could end up in the NBA.

My biggest concern is about if Vogt/Sorolla know how to be physical, especially when it comes to rebounds. As Rath said, they didn't make much effort to get positioning against Thomas More. Sorolla is at least strong and was at least getting deep post ups against Thomas More, but Vogt couldn't even post up the 6'6" Thomas More guy with any regularity. Neither of them two move well either, so I imagine between the three point shooting threat and him posting them up, Vogt and Sorolla are going to commit a lot of fouls quickly. If I'm OSU's coach I'm telling them to go to Wesson every possession until we prove we can stop him.

Gosh should we even show up ? Yes on paper they probably should win this at home. Really think there is not the pressure on us we had last year opening up the new arena. They have a bunch of young talent but lost quite a bit of production at the guard position from last year and I think we have the advantage on the perimeter. If there had been forums back during Ed Jucker's first season I bet there would have been plenty of this doom and gloom being throw around when they lost three of their first seven. I am sure we will have plenty of rough edges with our play to start the season. Hope we use our deep roster, play loose and force the game to be up tempo. Think trading three point shots against opponents two point attempts will be a big part of our success this year.

Based on Brannen's previous teams and this game, I still don't expect UC to press that much. We will play faster than previous teams, but I doubt we get much above average tempo (180 AdjT) for an NCAA team. I'm not doom and gloom, but our two centers were backups on low/mid majors last year. Nothing I saw in the exhibition indicates they weren't at the correct level last year.

Unless/until Diarra figures it out or Scott can match up with guys 50 pounds heavier than him, teams with skilled big men are going to be a matchup problem for us. Wesson isn't just a skilled big, but likely one of the best bigs in the country. Our best bet is probably going to be to play small and hope Scott can manage as much as possible and make Wesson work on D. I'd bet on Scott's ability to defend Wesson over Vogt/Sorolla, but both matchups strongly favor OSU.

Finally got around to watching the exhibition game. Hard to draw too much from this match up as Thomas More did not look like a good team and was clearly outmatched by our size and athleticism.

Only major takeaway for me is Jaevin looks like a heck of a player. The kid has a beautiful stroke with quick and tight release, he's going to average double digits for sure. He also had a great drive and finish with the reverse layup. Just efficient and smooth all around.

McNeal also looked to have a solid perimeter stroke. Surrounding Jarron with shooters will be huge as defenses shift to stop the perimeter drive.

I liked seeing MAW aggressively attack the rim and push the tempo in the full court transition which has been desperately missed for a while now.

Diara and Harvey had disappointing showings and both looked uncomfortable on offense. Hopefully they find their groove fast because we really need production from those two since they are so talented.

Tre was Tre, and Jarron was Jarron. Wasn't hyper impressed with any of our other bigs. We will actually start to get a good read on this team after OSU.

(11-02-2019 04:07 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 03:22 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 02:26 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 01:17 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 12:09 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how we defense Kaleb Wesson. In their loss last year against Houston in the NCAA tournament Wesson shot about all three point shots. Will that part of his game be used less with the expanded three point line. We probably want maybe to switch and have Scott on him out on the floor and not Vogt or Sorolla. When he is in the lane with 10 fouls to give we certainly can try to be physical with him.

Throw MDiarra in there, we've got 15 fouls to give. MD can actually pick him up on out the floor. I though watching him Thursday his most improved trait was his footwork. He's moving his feat much more smoothly this year. He's got two years left after this season. If he puts it together it's going to be fun to watch. He can get up and down the floor like no 6'10 or 6'11 guys i've seen. He runs like a deer.

Yeah, athleticism and movement wise Diarra looks a lot like Pascal Siakam. If he can get his basketball skills and understanding to anywhere close to Siakam's level he will be an excellent player and could end up in the NBA.

My biggest concern is about if Vogt/Sorolla know how to be physical, especially when it comes to rebounds. As Rath said, they didn't make much effort to get positioning against Thomas More. Sorolla is at least strong and was at least getting deep post ups against Thomas More, but Vogt couldn't even post up the 6'6" Thomas More guy with any regularity. Neither of them two move well either, so I imagine between the three point shooting threat and him posting them up, Vogt and Sorolla are going to commit a lot of fouls quickly. If I'm OSU's coach I'm telling them to go to Wesson every possession until we prove we can stop him.

Gosh should we even show up ? Yes on paper they probably should win this at home. Really think there is not the pressure on us we had last year opening up the new arena. They have a bunch of young talent but lost quite a bit of production at the guard position from last year and I think we have the advantage on the perimeter. If there had been forums back during Ed Jucker's first season I bet there would have been plenty of this doom and gloom being throw around when they lost three of their first seven. I am sure we will have plenty of rough edges with our play to start the season. Hope we use our deep roster, play loose and force the game to be up tempo. Think trading three point shots against opponents two point attempts will be a big part of our success this year.

Based on Brannen's previous teams and this game, I still don't expect UC to press that much. We will play faster than previous teams, but I doubt we get much above average tempo (180 AdjT) for an NCAA team. I'm not doom and gloom, but our two centers were backups on low/mid majors last year. Nothing I saw in the exhibition indicates they weren't at the correct level last year.

Unless/until Diarra figures it out or Scott can match up with guys 50 pounds heavier than him, teams with skilled big men are going to be a matchup problem for us. Wesson isn't just a skilled big, but likely one of the best bigs in the country. Our best bet is probably going to be to play small and hope Scott can manage as much as possible and make Wesson work on D. I'd bet on Scott's ability to defend Wesson over Vogt/Sorolla, but both matchups strongly favor OSU.

Skilled big men? A rarity in MCB.