(10-31-2019 07:00 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: (10-30-2019 10:00 AM)JRsec Wrote: (10-30-2019 09:44 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (10-30-2019 09:29 AM)JRsec Wrote: (10-30-2019 08:31 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: All true.
The sort of people who make up the “Twitterverse” (at least, the overwhelming majority of it) have always been Obama’s core-constituency. It would take a lot more than this to get them to turn against him. Plus, Obama is just so cosmically irrelevant to anything that’s going on right now, I’m not sure that the Twits and Twats can be bothered to “get angry” at him, even if they do disagree with what he said.
Nobody should be fooled. True socialists use, but don't trust and can't stand the radical left, which they know will turn on them just as they have the right. True socialists are control freaks who want to run your life and everyone else's. They actually fear the radical left because they know that when controls are put into place that it is those people who will scream the loudest, focus on their failures, and come after them. So as they have been in China, they will be suppressed. It's the irony of the mechanics of the left. They need a radical vocal left to attack their opposition, but it's the radical vocal left that's among the first to be purged when the apparatchiks take over. Too bad that the radical vocal left is always so stupid that they are surprised by this.
Obama must believe one of two things at this point.
1. That his side is close to completing its takeover of the Washington bureaucracy and therefore it's time to begin separating from the radical left to entrench with some compromise and consensus.
(Which I don't believe is the case.)
2. He's afraid his side is losing ground because of the polarizing and offputting ways of the radical left, and he's trying to protect his own kind by disassociating from them. (Given the poll numbers and the growing backlash at the outrageousness of the Radical Alt Left in the U.S. I'd say this is the more likely and logical motivation for his remarks.)
easily #2....
Absolutely, but the radical left needs to read #1. #1 is the true hard hearted evil of the apparatchiks. Like mink they eat their own offspring, and like mink it is out of fear. Fear not the vocal out of control opponent on the street, but rather fear those who keep the records, are in league with the super wealthy, control the press, and force your compliance on a litany of regulations imposed to hem you up. The vocal on the street may be opposed and deposed, but the bureaucrat will strangle you slowly to death over your lifetime robbing you of vitality and joy, and against a faceless opposition buried in offices in government buildings and backed by the state police you have no recourse except to never have allowed them to come to power in the first place, a mistake that cannot now be corrected. At least not corrected in a way that doesn't jeopardize all of those you love and all you have which is what effectively choke off organized opposition.
Let’s hope the choice never becomes between the two. Germans had that choice once and the socialist won over the communist.
The National Socialists won over very few communists in Germany, but then they didn't need to once they gained the plurality of seats in the Reichstag. It was industrialists and former military leaders that eventually sided with the Nazis.
After Lenin it was Trotsky who had to be killed so that the bureaucrats could take over in the Soviet Union.
There is only option #1 for any totalitarian government and it happens when they have to make the middle feel better about the situation and so sacrifice their most radical adherents to achieve that move and to try to allay the fears of those they are subjugating by appearing to be the more reasonable option. Then they bureaucratize their form of government and use that massively empowered group to control the rest.
The only time option #2 is an option is (a) before they access power, and (b) when they fear being totally defeated before they have another shot at accessing power.
This whole mess with Trump is a really fascinating attempt by a semi-free people to dis-entrench a bureaucratized structure. That is the whole nature of Deep State. Deep State is the bureaucracy, empowered by the corporations who utilize them to remain viable government suppliers and cinch that deal by buying their Congressmen to support the established structure.
With Trump he became a target before he was ever elected precisely because of the threat he represented to it should he attain the vantage point of the presidency.
RFK threatened the infancy of the NEXUS of this current structure in 1963 when he wanted to end the Federal Reserve. It is my long held contention that this is why both JFK and RFK were killed. JFK had to go to remove Bobby from the AG position and to stop his push against the FED (which is really largely backed by American Arms corporations (Ike's Military Industrial Complex that he states was the largest threat to the U.S. when he left office). That NEXUS consisted of the Congress which Bobby saw as becoming wholly controlled by the lobby of the wealthiest corporations which just happened to be those invested in the FED which profited by loaning money to the government, profited indirectly again when their backers sold goods to the government, and which was beginning to use their FED notes to steal the silver out of the U.S. Treasury leading to the Federal Coinage Act which removed the silver from U.S. Coins in 1965.
After that point the national debt soared from 205 million in 1963 to the billions by the time of Nixon, the Trillions under Clinton, and currently is at 21 Trillion and growing rapidly. As the debt grew the power of the FED grew and with it the power of its backers both the national corporations I've mentioned which now include Tech, and international backers which include some large European banks.
But back to your point. The National Socialists didn't win over the communists in any sufficient numbers to access power. They won over German industrialists who backed the German military endeavors. Think Messerschmitt, Mercedes, Heinkel, etc. That's what gave Hitler the backing in the Reichstag and eventually his power.
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