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(10-31-2019 08:35 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Earlier in the off season there was talks about jarron’s health.

He is fine

He was out because he had a Bunyan removed from his toe lol.


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(10-31-2019 06:16 PM)pesik Wrote:  Sadium: Jeff Goodman’s Top 102 College Basketball Players for 2019-20
https://watchstadium.com/news/jeff-goodm...0-30-2019/

7. James Wiseman, C, Fr., Memphis
15. Jarron Cumberland, SG, Sr., Cincinnati
57. Quentin Grimes, SG, So., Houston
79. Precious Achiuwa, PF, Fr., Memphis
87. Laquincy Rideau, G, Sr., South Florida

also there is a 15minute stadium video feature on memphis in article with a penny interview/practice football

things worth nothing from penny interview:
- injuries will define memphis season
- says him in his prime with this team wouldnt go undefeated- going undefeated is hard but they would be favorites to win title
- goodman tried to insinuate other aac coaches were disrespecting him picking them tied for 1st...penny says people saying that are are underestimating our league..being tied for 1st is a good thing
- says aac is a older physical league and memphis willl struggle some with that on the road with freshman, so he understands being tied for 1st
- goodman insinuates memphis is not a good 3pt shooting team..penny immediately says he doesnt agree..memphis will play 4 top shooters (lester, boogie, hardaway, harris)
{note he says his son will pay as a rebuttal to no shooters for those saying he wont play

nbc's top 100 players
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/...mediately/

7. Jarron Cumberland, Cincinnati
9. James Wiseman, Memphis
48. DeJon Jarreau, Houston
69. Precious Achiuwa, Memphis
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Jeff Goodman lists the best transfers and Houston's Grimes is #2.

https://watchstadium.com/news/college-ba...0-31-2019/
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(11-01-2019 02:23 PM)pesik Wrote:  

SMU legacy and Jank had no interest.

But this just may be the year Will Douglas breaks out. NOT.03-pissed
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(10-30-2019 02:24 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  If Gardner is as good as ECU fans claim then he should single handedly will them through their atrocious schedule the same way Rob Gray carried us when he was a sophomore.

Everyone who watches AAC basketball knows Gardner is good, what are you talking about.
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(11-01-2019 07:30 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 02:24 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  If Gardner is as good as ECU fans claim then he should single handedly will them through their atrocious schedule the same way Rob Gray carried us when he was a sophomore.

Everyone who watches AAC basketball knows Gardner is good, what are you talking about.

no one denys he is good... how good is debated by ecu fans
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Initial Sagarin computer ratings are out: http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm. The AAC is the 7th rated conference.

18 Houston
28 Memphis
32 Cincinnati
50 Wichita State
83 UConn
87 USF
88 Temple
97 SMU
106 UCF
138 Tulsa
218 ECU
257 Tulane
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(11-01-2019 07:30 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 02:24 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  If Gardner is as good as ECU fans claim then he should single handedly will them through their atrocious schedule the same way Rob Gray carried us when he was a sophomore.

Everyone who watches AAC basketball knows Gardner is good, what are you talking about.

Didnt say he wasnt good. Just dont think hes as good as hes hyped. I've seen some posters say hes a top 3 player in the league. Maybe he is. If so then he should be good enough to carry ECU to some easy Ws against so very mediocre competition in the non-conf. Put another way I dont think if ECU was led by Wiseman, Cumberland, Grimes, Rose, etc. that they'd be worrying about App st. or James Madison. Basketball is one of the few team sports where one great player can really carry a team. If Gardners top 3 then that basically means he's NBA good. An NBA player should be able to will his squad over a weak D1 school.
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(11-01-2019 08:14 PM)OldFan Wrote:  Initial Sagarin computer ratings are out: http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm. The AAC is the 7th rated conference.

18 Houston
28 Memphis
32 Cincinnati
50 Wichita State
83 UConn
87 USF
88 Temple
97 SMU
106 UCF
138 Tulsa
218 ECU
257 Tulane

Tulane under new coach Hunter are going to surprise people. Hammer the over in wins.
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(11-01-2019 08:14 PM)OldFan Wrote:  Initial Sagarin computer ratings are out: http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm. The AAC is the 7th rated conference.

18 Houston
28 Memphis
32 Cincinnati
50 Wichita State
83 UConn
87 USF
88 Temple
97 SMU
106 UCF
138 Tulsa
218 ECU
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Thank you. I will update the list while listening to Gameday.
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(11-01-2019 08:18 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(11-01-2019 07:30 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 02:24 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  If Gardner is as good as ECU fans claim then he should single handedly will them through their atrocious schedule the same way Rob Gray carried us when he was a sophomore.

Everyone who watches AAC basketball knows Gardner is good, what are you talking about.

Didnt say he wasnt good. Just dont think hes as good as hes hyped. I've seen some posters say hes a top 3 player in the league. Maybe he is. If so then he should be good enough to carry ECU to some easy Ws against so very mediocre competition in the non-conf. Put another way I dont think if ECU was led by Wiseman, Cumberland, Grimes, Rose, etc. that they'd be worrying about App st. or James Madison. Basketball is one of the few team sports where one great player can really carry a team. If Gardners top 3 then that basically means he's NBA good. An NBA player should be able to will his squad over a weak D1 school.

The coaches voted him the 7th highest vote getter for all AAC just a month ago. It's not just ECU fans like myself that think he's one of the best players in this league. Hell Busting Brackets said he could be one of the best players in the country.

I don't know what's so hard to get about basketball being a team game and the fact he had terrible teamates around him other than LeDay and still produced the best per possession stats in the AAC returning despite being the focus of the defense and having zero help or space to work. We had the 350th in 3 point percentage. That's just the facts, and he did it vs some good teams as well. He put 35 and 20 on Tacko Freaking Fall and a top 25 UCF on the road man. Just look where those teamates transfered and it says it all.

Also being a great college player and being an NBA draft pick are not mutually exclusive. There are plenty of great college players that don't get drafted. I also don't know what's so hard to get about having concern about a freshman who is your 3rd string Point guard starting the season where we only have 2 home games out of 8 in the first month. Anyone in that situation should have concern. It's not like Gardner can be expected to break the press. He's a PF a lot of what he does on offense is tied to the PG's getting him the ball. Same with any post player.
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(11-01-2019 08:18 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Put another way I dont think if ECU was led by Wiseman, Cumberland, Grimes, Rose, etc. that they'd be worrying about App st. or James Madison.

Also "led by Grimes" 03-lmfao. If he was leading my team based on what he's actually done on a college court I would have MASSIVE concerns if he was the #1 option. That's based on actual evidence, because he was terrible last year. He can't even make but 60% of his FT's man. Can you even have him on the court at the end of games to close it out. It's just like blind faith, because there is certainly nothing he has actually done on a college court to support him being one of the best players in this league much less this country. Infact the actual evidence says the opposite. I'll believe otherwise when he actually makes shots or gets rebounds, steals, assist basically anything at an above average rate.
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Just looking at your overseas trip vs that terrible level of competition where you were destroying team and the guy was still a turnover machine that still couldn't throw it in the ocean. Basically right on track in confirming everything terrible he did last year shooting the ball.

18-48 37.5% FG%
6-19 31.5% from 3

This is the guy you want taking the most shots on your team? What on earth is really making you guys have all this blind faith in this guy. It's not based on any actual tangible evidence of anything he's actually done on the court.
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(11-03-2019 09:15 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(11-01-2019 08:18 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Put another way I dont think if ECU was led by Wiseman, Cumberland, Grimes, Rose, etc. that they'd be worrying about App st. or James Madison.

Also "led by Grimes" 03-lmfao. If he was leading my team based on what he's actually done on a college court I would have MASSIVE concerns if he was the #1 option. That's based on actual evidence, because he was terrible last year. He can't even make but 60% of his FT's man. Can you even have him on the court at the end of games to close it out. It's just like blind faith, because there is certainly nothing he has actually done on a college court to support him being one of the best players in this league much less this country. Infact the actual evidence says the opposite. I'll believe otherwise when he actually makes shots or gets rebounds, steals, assist basically anything at an above average rate.

in italy, nate (fever) didn't play, dejon (food poisoning) only played 1 game...all 4 games were blowout wins, 2 were vs pro teams..grimes led the team in scoring, assists, and rebounding ...

1 month before he went to kansas, he led team usa to gold (getting mvp) and was top 3 on the team in scoring, rebounding, assist and steals ..he averaged double digits in the nba combine scrimmages, and was told he'd be drafted...(jarron did like 3 a game in the gleague combine scrimmages)

he started every single game on a top 15 teams, over numerous other elite players

in the red and white & scrimmage 2 months ago.. it was basically new comers vs returnees (nate didnt play, dejon did) he led his team to victory, leading the team in scoring and assists, 2nd in rbs.. opposing team fouled to finish (cause grimes team was up) the game, grimes made every one

houston played top 15 texas tech in a scrimmage 5 days ago (nate played, dejon didnt) grimes had 8 assists and 8 rbs, and Sampson said he could have gotten more.... no one knows who officially won but Sampson post game "i can tell we are going to be a really hard team to play".. texas tech post game "we have a lot of work to do" (im going to assume we won)

there is tons of evidence, your just a blind hater 03-lmfao

sampson on qutentin grimes an his skills from last week
https://theathletic.com/1316173/2019/10/...t-houston/

- sampson already calls him an elite play maker (getting assists)..and will be an elite defender and rebounder after he learns the system
- says he won starting job almost as soon as he got on campus
- his big question mark is consistent offense, outside of drawing fouls, he is good at everything not great at anything..building something consistent is key for him or his offensive output will fluctuate

his struggles at kansas: ive already told you all of this before... but in that article is from sampsons mouth himself

- says grimes was a spot shooter at kansas..and he isn't sure why, thinks grimes is an average shooter at best at this point in his career... and it kept him away from the paint with his size (for rebounding), and didn't allow him to show his greatest asset as a playmaker ...says we have no interest in using him like that

KEEP THAT SAME ENERGY ALL SEASON!!!.. you think grimes is trash. lol your evaluation skills are trash ....cant wait for the season, and to beat your bum team...
trash grimes vs elite garder..cant wait!!
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(11-03-2019 09:38 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Just looking at your overseas trip vs that terrible level of competition where you were destroying team and the guy was still a turnover machine that still couldn't throw it in the ocean. Basically right on track in confirming everything terrible he did last year shooting the ball.

18-48 37.5% FG%
6-19 31.5% from 3

This is the guy you want taking the most shots on your team? What on earth is really making you guys have all this blind faith in this guy. It's not based on any actual tangible evidence of anything he's actually done on the court.

"terrible competition" lol we played pro teams:

note: stella azzura and roseto sharks are the same organization, azzura is their development pro team (think g-league), roseto sharks is their pro teams
heres the list of who got who: (byu, miami, stanford & houston got the roseto sharks not the development team)
https://twitter.com/StellaAzzurraRo/stat...04/photo/1
noting because we are the only one to acknowledge the sharks in our graphics, and did not just say "stella azzura" like the theirs, incase the different names threw you off

houston vs the sharks (stopped after 3 quarters, lead was huge) houston led by grimes..nate was sick
[Image: Recap_RosetoFinal.jpg?width=1440&amp...format=jpg]

miami vs the sharks
[Image: EBykaOHXYAEeOnR?format=jpg&name=medium]

byu vs the sharks (72 -61)
https://twitter.com/BYUbasketball/status...0618277888

stanford vs the sharks (71- 62)
https://www.basketinside.com/a2-est/news...resh_ce-cp

lol you sure love to acknowledge gardener freethrows and rebounds, but obviously not grimes.... obviously not biased
gardener shot 42% from the field in conference games
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(11-03-2019 10:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(11-03-2019 09:15 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(11-01-2019 08:18 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Put another way I dont think if ECU was led by Wiseman, Cumberland, Grimes, Rose, etc. that they'd be worrying about App st. or James Madison.

Also "led by Grimes" 03-lmfao. If he was leading my team based on what he's actually done on a college court I would have MASSIVE concerns if he was the #1 option. That's based on actual evidence, because he was terrible last year. He can't even make but 60% of his FT's man. Can you even have him on the court at the end of games to close it out. It's just like blind faith, because there is certainly nothing he has actually done on a college court to support him being one of the best players in this league much less this country. Infact the actual evidence says the opposite. I'll believe otherwise when he actually makes shots or gets rebounds, steals, assist basically anything at an above average rate.

in italy, nate (fever) didn't play, dejon (food poisoning) only played 1 game...all 4 games were blowout wins, 2 were vs pro teams..grimes led the team in scoring, assists, and rebounding ...

1 month before he went to kansas, he led team usa to gold (getting mvp) and was top 3 on the team in scoring, rebounding, assist and steals ..he averaged double digits in the nba combine scrimmages, and was told he'd be drafted...(jarron did like 3 a game in the gleague combine scrimmages)

he started every single game on a top 15 teams, over numerous other elite players

in the red and white & scrimmage 2 months ago.. it was basically new comers vs returnees (nate didnt play, dejon did) he led his team to victory, leading the team in scoring and assists, 2nd in rbs.. opposing team fouled to finish (cause grimes team was up) the game, grimes made every one

houston played top 15 texas tech in a scrimmage 5 days ago (nate played, dejon didnt) grimes had 8 assists and 8 rbs, and Sampson said he could have gotten more.... no one knows who officially won but Sampson post game "i can tell we are going to be a really hard team to play".. texas tech post game "we have a lot of work to do" (im going to assume we won)

there is tons of evidence, your just a blind hater 03-lmfao

sampson on qutentin grimes an his skills from last week
https://theathletic.com/1316173/2019/10/...t-houston/

- sampson already calls him an elite play maker (getting assists)..and will be an elite defender and rebounder after he learns the system
- says he won starting job almost as soon as he got on campus
- his big question mark is consistent offense, outside of drawing fouls, he is good at everything not great at anything..building something consistent is key for him or his offensive output will fluctuate

his struggles at kansas: ive already told you all of this before... but in that article is from sampsons mouth himself

- says grimes was a spot shooter at kansas..and he isn't sure why, thinks grimes is an average shooter at best at this point in his career... and it kept him away from the paint with his size (for rebounding), and didn't allow him to show his greatest asset as a playmaker ...says we have no interest in using him like that

KEEP THAT SAME ENERGY ALL SEASON!!!.. you think grimes is trash. lol your evaluation skills are trash ....cant wait for the season, and to beat your bum team...
trash grimes vs elite garder..cant wait!!


8.7 PER, .496 true shooting, -10.2 net rating...... etc etc is what he's done in the real games.

All these scrimages and crap you are talking about HE DIDN"T MAKE SHOTS either and some of those teams were obviously complete trash you guys were blowing out on top of it, but it wasn't because he was this amazing offensive option.

If you want to include the white/red game this is what he's shot at Houston since getting there...

20-55 (36.3% FG's)
7-24 (29.1% 3's)

That's terrible too and is entirely inline with this crappy shooting at Kansas.

3.6 turnovers a game in probably 20ish minutes a game he seemed to be getting is insane turnover rate too. There is nothing that says put the ball in this guys hands and let him shoot it and lead your team.

The only positive thing he did scoring was shoot FT's and how real is that really when he shot 65% or less every year of HS and college. I still tend to believe the hundreds of FT's sample more that he's not all of a sudden this great FT shooter.

I didn't make up that actual tangible resume, and any objective person can see he has been terrible on a college court. A coach trying to build up confidence or some crap from high school before he got to college isn't evidence of anything when literally that's what he's done since. Infact even the scrimages and summer scream terrible shooter, turnover machine and confirm more of the same.

Being told you would get drafted doesn't prove anything. A lot of times that's all based on measurables but that doesn't mean jack $hit to actually translating on a court or even making it in NBA as many bust especially with the same statistical profile he has showed. In fact I read an article about how rare it is for any player with the statistical profile that bad to actually ever pan out. Get back to me when he actually makes shots on a college court.
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(11-03-2019 10:59 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  If you want to include the white/red game this is what he's shot at Houston....

20-55 (36.3% FG's)
7-24 (29.1% 3's)

Which is entirely inline with this crappy shooting at Kansas

incase you respond before my edit: jayden garnder shot 42% from the field in conference games....and he is a post player....that is horrible ..if we are removing the context of rebounding/free throws/assists

sampson...loved what he saw from grimes in the trip...again he says he already won the starting job.... he said didnt even want to start grimes the entire trip to push competition but he looked so good that he didnt see a reason to pull him out..

he is ranked the #3 transfer by every media outlet after blackshear and Omer Yurtseven by literally every media outlet
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(11-03-2019 11:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  incase you respond before my edit: jayden garnder shot 42% from the field in conference games....and he is a post player....that is horrible ..if we are removing the context of rebounding/free throws

That's only half the season, you do understand it all counts right? I mean I know you liked to try to ignore the half Nate Hinton shot terrible in as well but it doesn't work that way.

Also there is some context in being the #1 option on a terrible team who were also the worst 3 point shooting team in the nation around him to give him zero space to work or take pressure off him as well while you are the complete focus of the defense. Guys like Grimes were like 5th options and still couldn't make open shots with a fraction of the pressure.

Gardner's offensive value is mostly derived from getting to the line at an elite level. He stopped getting the same calls he got even the first half of conference season and I think some of that was just BS from the league trying to protect teams because they knew we were bad and didn't want us to hurt teams and get upsets like Cincy and simply didn't give him the 50/50 or close calls which would certainly impact the percentages as he was getting hammered and it's no calls.


Quote:he is ranked the #3 transfer by every media outlet after blackshear and Omer Yurtseven by literally every media outlet

Literally means nothing. It's just more lazy opinions and ones that are clearly not based on any actual evidence on a college court, because that all says the opposite of being the #3 best transfer. Again show me some actual efficiency that doesn't completely suck. You can't even in your summer season he till couldn't make shots at even close to average rates and you want me to respect him as one of the best players in the conference much less the nation. LOL. He hasn't earned jack crap respect on a college court anywhere, he's shown himself to be anything but a star player at this point.
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