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Guys for those who disagree with me, I cannot find an invalid point, you are indeed correct.

Major Universities have an advantage today for sure, but this will increase the divide as major donors will be able to purchase the best teams.

There is ZERO reason a talented high school player should not be allowed to enter a professional sports league draft and make all the money his abilities entitle him to (Kobe Bryant, Lebron James). The NBA and NFL, however, have been treating the NCAA as their de facto minor league for free and have been restricting admissions of high school athletes as a result. The NBA is expanding the G League, the XFL presents an option for football players. If a young man decides to pursue an athletic career beyond the value of a academic scholarship, let him start it there, just as MLB players do.
10-30-2019 07:00 PM
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lost in all this is that minor league baseball pays so poorly that this may make college baseball a more appealing destination for players
10-31-2019 04:51 AM
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(10-31-2019 04:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  lost in all this is that minor league baseball pays so poorly that this may make college baseball a more appealing destination for players

Baseball is weird because of their minor league structure.

Normally, only the very best prospects sign with a MLB team out of h.s. Others, say rather than be a 20th or 25th round pick and destined for years in the minors go to college.
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(10-31-2019 04:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  lost in all this is that minor league baseball pays so poorly that this may make college baseball a more appealing destination for players

Baseball is weird because of their minor league structure.

Normally, only the very best prospects sign with a MLB team out of h.s. Others, say rather than be a 20th or 25th round pick and destined for years in the minors go to college.
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(10-31-2019 05:30 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 04:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  lost in all this is that minor league baseball pays so poorly that this may make college baseball a more appealing destination for players

Baseball is weird because of their minor league structure.

Normally, only the very best prospects sign with a MLB team out of h.s. Others, say rather than be a 20th or 25th round pick and destined for years in the minors go to college.

that isnt always the case (kumar rocker being a big example of that right now). the life in low A ball is brutal - i can imagine more players taking the college route if there is an income option for them as well (think down south where college baseball is more valued). I can imagine this being good for hockey too for the same reason. why grind away in the juniors or low minors when you can play at boston university and make some scratch on the side?
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(10-31-2019 11:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 05:30 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 04:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  lost in all this is that minor league baseball pays so poorly that this may make college baseball a more appealing destination for players

Baseball is weird because of their minor league structure.

Normally, only the very best prospects sign with a MLB team out of h.s. Others, say rather than be a 20th or 25th round pick and destined for years in the minors go to college.

that isnt always the case (kumar rocker being a big example of that right now). the life in low A ball is brutal - i can imagine more players taking the college route if there is an income option for them as well (think down south where college baseball is more valued). I can imagine this being good for hockey too for the same reason. why grind away in the juniors or low minors when you can play at boston university and make some scratch on the side?
Yes. College ball is much more important than ever: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/...ographics/
10-31-2019 01:35 PM
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(10-31-2019 01:35 PM)masttg Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 11:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 05:30 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 04:51 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  lost in all this is that minor league baseball pays so poorly that this may make college baseball a more appealing destination for players

Baseball is weird because of their minor league structure.

Normally, only the very best prospects sign with a MLB team out of h.s. Others, say rather than be a 20th or 25th round pick and destined for years in the minors go to college.

that isnt always the case (kumar rocker being a big example of that right now). the life in low A ball is brutal - i can imagine more players taking the college route if there is an income option for them as well (think down south where college baseball is more valued). I can imagine this being good for hockey too for the same reason. why grind away in the juniors or low minors when you can play at boston university and make some scratch on the side?
Yes. College ball is much more important than ever: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/...ographics/

This is what I read from the link above:

But overall, the 2018 draft distribution fell in line with the three-year averages for 2015-17, which were 63 percent college, 26 percent high school, 10 percent junior college and a handful of “other.”

Digging a little deeper, it’s quite clear that high school players are either picked very early (where they will land large signing bonuses) or quite late (where they may or may not sign). In the first and supplemental first rounds of 2018, there were actually more high school players picked (53.5 percent) than college players (46.5 percent).

By the second and third rounds, the preference shifts back to college players, by a margin of 67 percent to 31 percent.

And from the fourth through the 10th rounds, where lower-cost college senior signs become popular, high school draftees are scarce. Collegians account for 81 percent and high schoolers 15 percent during these rounds.

Once the 11th round is reached, where there are no longer any slot allotment penalties, teams start picking high school players again. Some of them will be taken in the 11th-15th rounds to land significant signing bonuses. Others will be picked in the later rounds even though teams know there is very little chance they will sign. There also are occasionally some hidden gems in these rounds who an area scout knows about but no else does. The distribution from rounds 11-40 looks like this:

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Unless a high school player is of very high talent, it is better to go to college and try to improve their draft standing in 3 years.

Kids don't live like kings in college, but as indicated, low A ball, etc. isn't exactly a bed of roses.

One can get a college education, the college social experience, and play ball and hopefully be a higher draftee then their h.s. draft slot. The signing bonus by signing is a big plus if a player moves up the draft as a 3rd year college player.
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Thanks Tom and Steve for that information, it is indeed enlightening. I have seen a lot of great HS baseball players quit the minors due to economic concerns, the pay often is indeed low.

I personally just like the MLB model and perhaps I am out of date. If you are a great HS athlete like Lebron James, you have a choice, sign with the pro league or commit to three years with an NCAA program. I would prefer to see a quality young man like Kyle Rachwal get a scholarship and play his heart out while obtaining a degree rather than offer that scholarship to a "one and done" athlete. I also don't want a 5 star recruit solely motivated by financials, to have the choice to weigh his IMMEDIATE wealth options, NCAA big donor vs Professional league. You want $, you go pro, plain and simple.

I want to preserve the college model as best as it can be and yes there are huge competitive disparities that exist today. Still paying college players will only increase that divide and interest in the sport will decrease as a result. My opinion only.
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MLB model is planning significant changes by shutting down 40+ teams
11-01-2019 07:53 AM
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(11-01-2019 07:53 AM)fanfrompowellspub Wrote:  MLB model is planning significant changes by shutting down 40+ teams

I think they are trying to consolidate the A level ball.

I think MiLB has too many levels at the "A ball level."

There are AAA and AA, but after that there is high A, low A, short season ball and rookie ball.

The short season and rookie ball are for new draftees, I think. They are not tossed right out of H.S. or college into full season MiLB.

Tigers have Toledo (AAA), Erie (AA), Lakeland (A+), Western Michigan (A), plus short season ball in Connecticut, etc.
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(10-30-2019 08:12 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  also the value of the scholarships alone make is an uneven field. a full ride to northwestern is more valuable from a financial stand point than a full ride to ohio state - yet ohio state is a better program.
Great point. I've been saying that for years. How about a scholarship to Stanford vs say...Oregon?
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(11-02-2019 05:31 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 08:12 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  also the value of the scholarships alone make is an uneven field. a full ride to northwestern is more valuable from a financial stand point than a full ride to ohio state - yet ohio state is a better program.
Great point. I've been saying that for years. How about a scholarship to Stanford vs say...Oregon?

Can't disagree. An Antonio Brown or Corey Davis, however, have ZERO chance of being admitted to Stanford due to their academic credentials. The value of their degree is predicated on their acceptance standards and I love the fact that a student-athlete would choose Stanford as he obviously is concerned about his life after athletics and not simply looking for a NBA or NFL opportunity. That is what keeps the current competitive situation somewhat level.
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(11-02-2019 06:21 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 05:31 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 08:12 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  also the value of the scholarships alone make is an uneven field. a full ride to northwestern is more valuable from a financial stand point than a full ride to ohio state - yet ohio state is a better program.
Great point. I've been saying that for years. How about a scholarship to Stanford vs say...Oregon?

Can't disagree. An Antonio Brown or Corey Davis, however, have ZERO chance of being admitted to Stanford due to their academic credentials. The value of their degree is predicated on their acceptance standards and I love the fact that a student-athlete would choose Stanford as he obviously is concerned about his life after athletics and not simply looking for a NBA or NFL opportunity. That is what keeps the current competitive situation somewhat level.

see youre missing my point. my point is that no part of the current system is fair and that allowing players to make money from likeness rights wont make it worse
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