(11-04-2019 11:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:05 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 10:11 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  As a UTEP fan, I root for all C-USA schools and G5’s vs P5 opponents regardless if it’s OOC or in bowls. It’s an “us versus them” mentality which mostly fans from G5 schools can understand.

As a Penn State fan, I don’t root for any B1G teams and as far as I’m concerned, Michigan and Ohio State can lose every game. I learned there’s no such a thing as “conference unity” in the Big Ten.

It's more a respect thing in the BIG over actually rooting for it as a whole. We have each others backs (except for Michigan, lol) and it's about being proud of who you/we are. You don't survive as long as this conference has without support for one another. As I've said many times, I love all schools in the west division except for Minnesota. As for the East, Penn State and Michigan can lose every game as far as I'm concerned, I hate you but still respect you. With that being said, Penn State deserves to be ranked ahead of Clemson and Alabama up to this point.

Peace!

The SEC has each other's back as well. It's part of "It just means more." So which two conferences are the strongest? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences have the most cohesion? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences earn the most? The SEC and Big 10

Could it be that having each others back, sharing media revenue equally, pulling for each other when we aren't playing our other member schools, brings the cohesion that brings the success?

I think the answer to that is yes. Our ratings are higher in part because we both tend to watch most of our schools at least for a little while each week.

So I don't mind when the other 3 conferences chide our cohesion. It's only done out of envy, and for those who don't truly understand it, it is an exemplification of why they aren't as successful.

Though your points are well made, JRsec, there are some fans who are the exception to the rule and don't root for the SEC and Big Ten.

I'm an example. My brother attended Indiana University for six years starting in 1989 and I visited Bloomington many times (went to a handful of football and basketball games) during his stay. I enjoy following the program with my brother.

My family's history with Vanderbilt goes back to the 1920s. I'm a monster fan.

But I don't have anybody's back in the Big Ten or SEC — despite my rooting for VU and IU. Too many of the fans of the two leagues are insufferable. I live in Nashville and once lived in Chicago and have talked to enough Big Ten and SEC fans over the years to know. Now, and to be fair, there are LOTS of classy fans of both leagues. And, to be critical of myself, maybe the problem is me and I need to be more open minded.

I can count at least 15 people — Big Ten and SEC fans — I have worked with or once worked with at my place of employment (my job has evolved over 19 years) and to whom I've frequently congratulated on a good win or nice pick-up in recruiting. I try to do so sincerely because I feel it's "good karma." The number who have reciprocated ... maybe three. My boss is a Missouri grad and classy. My best friend at the office is a Tennessee man and classy. The others ... they just don't (or haven't) reciprocated with me and "my teams," including Vanderbilt, Memphis, Indiana, etc. They just can't do it. Either they are clueless, uncaring, too hard-core "pro their team," who knows.

Again, I'm probably overly sensitive about it. But that's they way it is for me.

So I'm not on the SEC Train or the Big Ten Train.

I respect you're right to be pro-SEC (and anybody else's right to be pro-whatever league). But it's just not my thing.

(11-05-2019 12:48 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:05 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 10:11 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  As a UTEP fan, I root for all C-USA schools and G5’s vs P5 opponents regardless if it’s OOC or in bowls. It’s an “us versus them” mentality which mostly fans from G5 schools can understand.

As a Penn State fan, I don’t root for any B1G teams and as far as I’m concerned, Michigan and Ohio State can lose every game. I learned there’s no such a thing as “conference unity” in the Big Ten.

It's more a respect thing in the BIG over actually rooting for it as a whole. We have each others backs (except for Michigan, lol) and it's about being proud of who you/we are. You don't survive as long as this conference has without support for one another. As I've said many times, I love all schools in the west division except for Minnesota. As for the East, Penn State and Michigan can lose every game as far as I'm concerned, I hate you but still respect you. With that being said, Penn State deserves to be ranked ahead of Clemson and Alabama up to this point.

Peace!

The SEC has each other's back as well. It's part of "It just means more." So which two conferences are the strongest? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences have the most cohesion? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences earn the most? The SEC and Big 10

Could it be that having each others back, sharing media revenue equally, pulling for each other when we aren't playing our other member schools, brings the cohesion that brings the success?

I think the answer to that is yes. Our ratings are higher in part because we both tend to watch most of our schools at least for a little while each week.

So I don't mind when the other 3 conferences chide our cohesion. It's only done out of envy, and for those who don't truly understand it, it is an exemplification of why they aren't as successful.

Though your points are well made, JRsec, there are some fans who are the exception to the rule and don't root for the SEC and Big Ten.

I'm an example. My brother attended Indiana University for six years starting in 1989 and I visited Bloomington many times (went to a handful of football and basketball games) during his stay. I enjoy following the program with my brother.

My family's history with Vanderbilt goes back to the 1920s. I'm a monster fan.

But I don't have anybody's back in the Big Ten or SEC — despite my rooting for VU and IU. Too many of the fans of the two leagues are insufferable. I live in Nashville and once lived in Chicago and have talked to enough Big Ten and SEC fans over the years to know. Now, and to be fair, there are LOTS of classy fans of both leagues. And, to be critical of myself, maybe the problem is me and I need to be more open minded.

I can count at least 15 people — Big Ten and SEC fans — I have worked with or once worked with at my place of employment (my job has evolved over 19 years) and to whom I've frequently congratulated on a good win or nice pick-up in recruiting. I try to do so sincerely because I feel it's "good karma." The number who have reciprocated ... maybe three. My boss is a Missouri grad and classy. My best friend at the office is a Tennessee man and classy. The others ... they just don't (or haven't) reciprocated with me and "my teams," including Vanderbilt, Memphis, Indiana, etc. They just can't do it. Either they are clueless, uncaring, too hard-core "pro their team," who knows.

Again, I'm probably overly sensitive about it. But that's they way it is for me.

So I'm not on the SEC Train or the Big Ten Train.

I respect you're right to be pro-SEC (and anybody else's right to be pro-whatever league). But it's just not my thing.

You are most likely the exception Bill. The SEC chant grew out of years of frustration with the AP and UPI polls which were by and large a disproportionate number of voters out West and in the Northern Midwest and Northeast because at the time that's where the population was. The conference as a whole felt underrepresented and under considered so out of that frustration grew a common unity and sense of pride in Southern football.

Those sentiments are now more abundant in the North. So they too are being galvanized by the same snubs that once galvanized the South.

So I don't really care about those who diverge from the norm and are therefore an anomaly. We know you exist and simply don't care. It doesn't alter what we feel, and I'm sure what the Big 10 guys are beginning to feel.

My family loves Auburn, but we look at the other schools in the SEC as our cousins at a family reunion. We like to see them and wish them well, but when we play we play for keeps. It makes for a very nice cohesion in the midst of all of the rivalry. It's a lot like warrior clans that come together for games, but are united in common causes. Primitive? Yes. But cathartic and fun!

(11-05-2019 01:03 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 12:48 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:05 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 10:11 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  As a UTEP fan, I root for all C-USA schools and G5’s vs P5 opponents regardless if it’s OOC or in bowls. It’s an “us versus them” mentality which mostly fans from G5 schools can understand.

As a Penn State fan, I don’t root for any B1G teams and as far as I’m concerned, Michigan and Ohio State can lose every game. I learned there’s no such a thing as “conference unity” in the Big Ten.

It's more a respect thing in the BIG over actually rooting for it as a whole. We have each others backs (except for Michigan, lol) and it's about being proud of who you/we are. You don't survive as long as this conference has without support for one another. As I've said many times, I love all schools in the west division except for Minnesota. As for the East, Penn State and Michigan can lose every game as far as I'm concerned, I hate you but still respect you. With that being said, Penn State deserves to be ranked ahead of Clemson and Alabama up to this point.

Peace!

The SEC has each other's back as well. It's part of "It just means more." So which two conferences are the strongest? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences have the most cohesion? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences earn the most? The SEC and Big 10

Could it be that having each others back, sharing media revenue equally, pulling for each other when we aren't playing our other member schools, brings the cohesion that brings the success?

I think the answer to that is yes. Our ratings are higher in part because we both tend to watch most of our schools at least for a little while each week.

So I don't mind when the other 3 conferences chide our cohesion. It's only done out of envy, and for those who don't truly understand it, it is an exemplification of why they aren't as successful.

Though your points are well made, JRsec, there are some fans who are the exception to the rule and don't root for the SEC and Big Ten.

I'm an example. My brother attended Indiana University for six years starting in 1989 and I visited Bloomington many times (went to a handful of football and basketball games) during his stay. I enjoy following the program with my brother.

My family's history with Vanderbilt goes back to the 1920s. I'm a monster fan.

But I don't have anybody's back in the Big Ten or SEC — despite my rooting for VU and IU. Too many of the fans of the two leagues are insufferable. I live in Nashville and once lived in Chicago and have talked to enough Big Ten and SEC fans over the years to know. Now, and to be fair, there are LOTS of classy fans of both leagues. And, to be critical of myself, maybe the problem is me and I need to be more open minded.

I can count at least 15 people — Big Ten and SEC fans — I have worked with or once worked with at my place of employment (my job has evolved over 19 years) and to whom I've frequently congratulated on a good win or nice pick-up in recruiting. I try to do so sincerely because I feel it's "good karma." The number who have reciprocated ... maybe three. My boss is a Missouri grad and classy. My best friend at the office is a Tennessee man and classy. The others ... they just don't (or haven't) reciprocated with me and "my teams," including Vanderbilt, Memphis, Indiana, etc. They just can't do it. Either they are clueless, uncaring, too hard-core "pro their team," who knows.

Again, I'm probably overly sensitive about it. But that's they way it is for me.

So I'm not on the SEC Train or the Big Ten Train.

I respect you're right to be pro-SEC (and anybody else's right to be pro-whatever league). But it's just not my thing.

You are most likely the exception Bill. The SEC chant grew out of years of frustration with the AP and UPI polls which were by and large a disproportionate number of voters out West and in the Northern Midwest and Northeast because at the time that's where the population was. The conference as a whole felt underrepresented and under considered so out of that frustration grew a common unity and sense of pride in Southern football.

Those sentiments are now more abundant in the North. So they too are being galvanized by the same snubs that once galvanized the South.

So I don't really care about those who diverge from the norm and are therefore an anomaly. We know you exist and simply don't care. It doesn't alter what we feel, and I'm sure what the Big 10 guys are beginning to feel.

My family loves Auburn, but we look at the other schools in the SEC as our cousins at a family reunion. We like to see them and wish them well, but when we play we play for keeps. It makes for a very nice cohesion in the midst of all of the rivalry. It's a lot like warrior clans that come together for games, but are united in common causes. Primitive? Yes. But cathartic and fun!

Excellent points. I agree I am the exception. I live in a large residential building home, also, to an Auburn man. He's great. Very respectful of Vanderbilt. If your Auburn Tigers do well ... good for you and the SEC. I would give you a high five in person. I'm definitely not anti-SEC (or anti-Big Ten). The historical element you reference is accurate and understandable.

As noted, I probably need to lighten up on this. But when one has been a Cubs fan and a Vandy fan for about 50 years, one can be sensitive!

(11-05-2019 09:19 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 01:03 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 12:48 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:05 PM)cubucks Wrote:  It's more a respect thing in the BIG over actually rooting for it as a whole. We have each others backs (except for Michigan, lol) and it's about being proud of who you/we are. You don't survive as long as this conference has without support for one another. As I've said many times, I love all schools in the west division except for Minnesota. As for the East, Penn State and Michigan can lose every game as far as I'm concerned, I hate you but still respect you. With that being said, Penn State deserves to be ranked ahead of Clemson and Alabama up to this point.

Peace!

The SEC has each other's back as well. It's part of "It just means more." So which two conferences are the strongest? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences have the most cohesion? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences earn the most? The SEC and Big 10

Could it be that having each others back, sharing media revenue equally, pulling for each other when we aren't playing our other member schools, brings the cohesion that brings the success?

I think the answer to that is yes. Our ratings are higher in part because we both tend to watch most of our schools at least for a little while each week.

So I don't mind when the other 3 conferences chide our cohesion. It's only done out of envy, and for those who don't truly understand it, it is an exemplification of why they aren't as successful.

Though your points are well made, JRsec, there are some fans who are the exception to the rule and don't root for the SEC and Big Ten.

I'm an example. My brother attended Indiana University for six years starting in 1989 and I visited Bloomington many times (went to a handful of football and basketball games) during his stay. I enjoy following the program with my brother.

My family's history with Vanderbilt goes back to the 1920s. I'm a monster fan.

But I don't have anybody's back in the Big Ten or SEC — despite my rooting for VU and IU. Too many of the fans of the two leagues are insufferable. I live in Nashville and once lived in Chicago and have talked to enough Big Ten and SEC fans over the years to know. Now, and to be fair, there are LOTS of classy fans of both leagues. And, to be critical of myself, maybe the problem is me and I need to be more open minded.

I can count at least 15 people — Big Ten and SEC fans — I have worked with or once worked with at my place of employment (my job has evolved over 19 years) and to whom I've frequently congratulated on a good win or nice pick-up in recruiting. I try to do so sincerely because I feel it's "good karma." The number who have reciprocated ... maybe three. My boss is a Missouri grad and classy. My best friend at the office is a Tennessee man and classy. The others ... they just don't (or haven't) reciprocated with me and "my teams," including Vanderbilt, Memphis, Indiana, etc. They just can't do it. Either they are clueless, uncaring, too hard-core "pro their team," who knows.

Again, I'm probably overly sensitive about it. But that's they way it is for me.

So I'm not on the SEC Train or the Big Ten Train.

I respect you're right to be pro-SEC (and anybody else's right to be pro-whatever league). But it's just not my thing.

You are most likely the exception Bill. The SEC chant grew out of years of frustration with the AP and UPI polls which were by and large a disproportionate number of voters out West and in the Northern Midwest and Northeast because at the time that's where the population was. The conference as a whole felt underrepresented and under considered so out of that frustration grew a common unity and sense of pride in Southern football.

Those sentiments are now more abundant in the North. So they too are being galvanized by the same snubs that once galvanized the South.

So I don't really care about those who diverge from the norm and are therefore an anomaly. We know you exist and simply don't care. It doesn't alter what we feel, and I'm sure what the Big 10 guys are beginning to feel.

My family loves Auburn, but we look at the other schools in the SEC as our cousins at a family reunion. We like to see them and wish them well, but when we play we play for keeps. It makes for a very nice cohesion in the midst of all of the rivalry. It's a lot like warrior clans that come together for games, but are united in common causes. Primitive? Yes. But cathartic and fun!

Excellent points. I agree I am the exception. I live in a large residential building home, also, to an Auburn man. He's great. Very respectful of Vanderbilt. If your Auburn Tigers do well ... good for you and the SEC. I would give you a high five in person. I'm definitely not anti-SEC (or anti-Big Ten). The historical element you reference is accurate and understandable.

As noted, I probably need to lighten up on this. But when one has been a Cubs fan and a Vandy fan for about 50 years, one can be sensitive!

I get it, Die hard Cubs fan since 1984. The heartbreak has been tough but I can now die a happy man since I've seen my Cubbies win it all!

(11-05-2019 09:24 AM)cubucks Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 09:19 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 01:03 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-05-2019 12:48 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 11:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The SEC has each other's back as well. It's part of "It just means more." So which two conferences are the strongest? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences have the most cohesion? The SEC and Big 10. Which two conferences earn the most? The SEC and Big 10

Could it be that having each others back, sharing media revenue equally, pulling for each other when we aren't playing our other member schools, brings the cohesion that brings the success?

I think the answer to that is yes. Our ratings are higher in part because we both tend to watch most of our schools at least for a little while each week.

So I don't mind when the other 3 conferences chide our cohesion. It's only done out of envy, and for those who don't truly understand it, it is an exemplification of why they aren't as successful.

Though your points are well made, JRsec, there are some fans who are the exception to the rule and don't root for the SEC and Big Ten.

I'm an example. My brother attended Indiana University for six years starting in 1989 and I visited Bloomington many times (went to a handful of football and basketball games) during his stay. I enjoy following the program with my brother.

My family's history with Vanderbilt goes back to the 1920s. I'm a monster fan.

But I don't have anybody's back in the Big Ten or SEC — despite my rooting for VU and IU. Too many of the fans of the two leagues are insufferable. I live in Nashville and once lived in Chicago and have talked to enough Big Ten and SEC fans over the years to know. Now, and to be fair, there are LOTS of classy fans of both leagues. And, to be critical of myself, maybe the problem is me and I need to be more open minded.

I can count at least 15 people — Big Ten and SEC fans — I have worked with or once worked with at my place of employment (my job has evolved over 19 years) and to whom I've frequently congratulated on a good win or nice pick-up in recruiting. I try to do so sincerely because I feel it's "good karma." The number who have reciprocated ... maybe three. My boss is a Missouri grad and classy. My best friend at the office is a Tennessee man and classy. The others ... they just don't (or haven't) reciprocated with me and "my teams," including Vanderbilt, Memphis, Indiana, etc. They just can't do it. Either they are clueless, uncaring, too hard-core "pro their team," who knows.

Again, I'm probably overly sensitive about it. But that's they way it is for me.

So I'm not on the SEC Train or the Big Ten Train.

I respect you're right to be pro-SEC (and anybody else's right to be pro-whatever league). But it's just not my thing.

You are most likely the exception Bill. The SEC chant grew out of years of frustration with the AP and UPI polls which were by and large a disproportionate number of voters out West and in the Northern Midwest and Northeast because at the time that's where the population was. The conference as a whole felt underrepresented and under considered so out of that frustration grew a common unity and sense of pride in Southern football.

Those sentiments are now more abundant in the North. So they too are being galvanized by the same snubs that once galvanized the South.

So I don't really care about those who diverge from the norm and are therefore an anomaly. We know you exist and simply don't care. It doesn't alter what we feel, and I'm sure what the Big 10 guys are beginning to feel.

My family loves Auburn, but we look at the other schools in the SEC as our cousins at a family reunion. We like to see them and wish them well, but when we play we play for keeps. It makes for a very nice cohesion in the midst of all of the rivalry. It's a lot like warrior clans that come together for games, but are united in common causes. Primitive? Yes. But cathartic and fun!

Excellent points. I agree I am the exception. I live in a large residential building home, also, to an Auburn man. He's great. Very respectful of Vanderbilt. If your Auburn Tigers do well ... good for you and the SEC. I would give you a high five in person. I'm definitely not anti-SEC (or anti-Big Ten). The historical element you reference is accurate and understandable.

As noted, I probably need to lighten up on this. But when one has been a Cubs fan and a Vandy fan for about 50 years, one can be sensitive!

I get it, Die hard Cubs fan since 1984. The heartbreak has been tough but I can now die a happy man since I've seen my Cubbies win it all!

Good to have you on the "Wrigley Team." My father was a batboy for the Nashville Vols in 1945. They were the Cubs affiliate and he got all kinds of Cubs stuff. And like that, at age 14, he became a Cubs fan. He got me into the Cubs in the late 1960s when I was a kid. I lived near Wrigley Field in the late 1980s. Drank a few Old Style beers at the Cubby Bear back in the day. I cried like a baby after the team won and I was listening to Eddie Vedder sings Someday We'll Go All the Way — about 20 times!

Let's hope David Ross does well.

(11-04-2019 10:35 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  There’s a fair amount of Big Ten pride in the midwest. I spot a shirt or hat with the Big Ten schools (pre-MD/RU) pretty much every weekend.

There's a bar a few minutes away from my place that has all the Big Ten helmets up on display, but Maryland and Rutgers are the mini versions. I feel like most fans of the conference have accepted Nebraska out of respect for their past and midwestern cultural fit, even if they've been mostly mediocre.

(11-04-2019 05:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 03:29 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 09:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Cincy beats ECU .... 46-43.

Sad, as ECU outplayed Cincy. A whopping 35 first downs and 640 yards. But ECU was hammered with penalties and Cincy got the lucky pick-6 and survived.

Its "sad" to him because it keeps the AAC as the frontrunner for the Access bowl. Now why a fan of a team in that conference would dislike that is beyond me

Um, for the same reason that every Alabama fan I know was rooting for FSU to beat Auburn in the 2014 BCS title game, and every Auburn fan I know was rooting for Clemson to beat Alabama in last year's CFP title game?

To a *real* fan, team rivalry easily trumps conference. Easily.

Now, just take this concept and writ it large:

I make no bones about it: I do *not* want the AAC to get the NY6 bid, unless the team getting it happens to be USF. And if the AAC happens to get the bid, I want the AAC team to LOSE not win.

Why on earth would I want competing programs like Cincy or Memphis or Houston or UCF to get an NY6 bid, thus boosting their profile above that of USF? And then win it, boosting it more?

THAT in fact would be crazy.

See, I think where your vision fails you is that you are a Cards fan, and UofL is in a "destination conference". As such, you have every reason to hope the conference does great, because that benefits you as well. So if Clemson is playing in the Rose Bowl, you root for them. Makes perfect sense.

USF is NOT in a destination conference. None of the AAC teams are. We all want out, to a P5 conference. What that means is that ALL of the teams in the AAC are rivals for USF for the biggest prize we are angling for, promotion to P5. So why on earth would I want some other AAC team to enhance its resume with a NY6 berth? The slight benefit USF gets from an AAC team in the NY6 is a pittance compared to the prestige and propaganda value that the rival team will get from being in that bowl.

What really makes no sense, no sense at all, is when you see fans of Houston or Cincy or ECU on this board rooting for UCF to get the NY6 bid, and then rooting for them to beat Auburn or LSU in the game! THAT is nutso, and for the life of me I can't comprehend it.

Yeah us Louisville fans know nothing of being in a non power conference...

(11-06-2019 03:19 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 05:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 03:29 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 09:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Cincy beats ECU .... 46-43.

Sad, as ECU outplayed Cincy. A whopping 35 first downs and 640 yards. But ECU was hammered with penalties and Cincy got the lucky pick-6 and survived.

Its "sad" to him because it keeps the AAC as the frontrunner for the Access bowl. Now why a fan of a team in that conference would dislike that is beyond me

Um, for the same reason that every Alabama fan I know was rooting for FSU to beat Auburn in the 2014 BCS title game, and every Auburn fan I know was rooting for Clemson to beat Alabama in last year's CFP title game?

To a *real* fan, team rivalry easily trumps conference. Easily.

Now, just take this concept and writ it large:

I make no bones about it: I do *not* want the AAC to get the NY6 bid, unless the team getting it happens to be USF. And if the AAC happens to get the bid, I want the AAC team to LOSE not win.

Why on earth would I want competing programs like Cincy or Memphis or Houston or UCF to get an NY6 bid, thus boosting their profile above that of USF? And then win it, boosting it more?

THAT in fact would be crazy.

See, I think where your vision fails you is that you are a Cards fan, and UofL is in a "destination conference". As such, you have every reason to hope the conference does great, because that benefits you as well. So if Clemson is playing in the Rose Bowl, you root for them. Makes perfect sense.

USF is NOT in a destination conference. None of the AAC teams are. We all want out, to a P5 conference. What that means is that ALL of the teams in the AAC are rivals for USF for the biggest prize we are angling for, promotion to P5. So why on earth would I want some other AAC team to enhance its resume with a NY6 berth? The slight benefit USF gets from an AAC team in the NY6 is a pittance compared to the prestige and propaganda value that the rival team will get from being in that bowl.

What really makes no sense, no sense at all, is when you see fans of Houston or Cincy or ECU on this board rooting for UCF to get the NY6 bid, and then rooting for them to beat Auburn or LSU in the game! THAT is nutso, and for the life of me I can't comprehend it.

Yeah us Louisville fans know nothing of being in a non power conference...

For 9 of the 12 it is not a destination conference. Navy would go back to being an independent if they could be ensured of a quality schedule. Tulsa and Tulane are aware of their place in the college sports landscape.

(11-06-2019 08:12 AM)whittx Wrote:  

(11-06-2019 03:19 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 05:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-04-2019 03:29 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(11-02-2019 09:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Cincy beats ECU .... 46-43.

Sad, as ECU outplayed Cincy. A whopping 35 first downs and 640 yards. But ECU was hammered with penalties and Cincy got the lucky pick-6 and survived.

Its "sad" to him because it keeps the AAC as the frontrunner for the Access bowl. Now why a fan of a team in that conference would dislike that is beyond me

Um, for the same reason that every Alabama fan I know was rooting for FSU to beat Auburn in the 2014 BCS title game, and every Auburn fan I know was rooting for Clemson to beat Alabama in last year's CFP title game?

To a *real* fan, team rivalry easily trumps conference. Easily.

Now, just take this concept and writ it large:

I make no bones about it: I do *not* want the AAC to get the NY6 bid, unless the team getting it happens to be USF. And if the AAC happens to get the bid, I want the AAC team to LOSE not win.

Why on earth would I want competing programs like Cincy or Memphis or Houston or UCF to get an NY6 bid, thus boosting their profile above that of USF? And then win it, boosting it more?

THAT in fact would be crazy.

See, I think where your vision fails you is that you are a Cards fan, and UofL is in a "destination conference". As such, you have every reason to hope the conference does great, because that benefits you as well. So if Clemson is playing in the Rose Bowl, you root for them. Makes perfect sense.

USF is NOT in a destination conference. None of the AAC teams are. We all want out, to a P5 conference. What that means is that ALL of the teams in the AAC are rivals for USF for the biggest prize we are angling for, promotion to P5. So why on earth would I want some other AAC team to enhance its resume with a NY6 berth? The slight benefit USF gets from an AAC team in the NY6 is a pittance compared to the prestige and propaganda value that the rival team will get from being in that bowl.

What really makes no sense, no sense at all, is when you see fans of Houston or Cincy or ECU on this board rooting for UCF to get the NY6 bid, and then rooting for them to beat Auburn or LSU in the game! THAT is nutso, and for the life of me I can't comprehend it.

Yeah us Louisville fans know nothing of being in a non power conference...

For 9 of the 12 it is not a destination conference. Navy would go back to being an independent if they could be ensured of a quality schedule. Tulsa and Tulane are aware of their place in the college sports landscape.

I live near New Orleans, and believe me, as Tulane has improved, their ambitions have expanded. There is definitely chatter about advancing to a P5 conference.

Agree about Navy though, as a military academy they respond to the beat of a different drummer, and being in a P5 isn't the same kind of priority.