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He needs to go... Losing record in men’s revenue sports as AD, and that’s hard to do considering that baseball was still well above .500 for the first three seasons...

Football and basketball have been an unmitigated disaster... This doesn’t even mention the fact that the guy can’t get an indoor facility built without being stymied by the SJW student body, has failed to renovate the football stadium, and is generally disliked by all student athletes (especially those who played football under Bailiff-a key donor constituency).

My AD knowledge isn’t as deep as my football coach but there’s got to be a better option.
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I've been generally supportive of Joe. I really like the Stanford slogan--brains and brawn. I had hopes that he would deliver something like that, to the extent possible within Rice's unique limitations. But I don't see it. I don't see him taking us in anything remotely approaching a Stanford-like in any direction that he is taking us.

We can't be Stanford. We're no longer in a P5 and we don't have Stanford's endowment--and those two probably go together in some way. But there are lots of things we can do better than we are doing them. And coaching football and marketing and promotion are two of them.
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(10-26-2019 03:32 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  He needs to go... Losing record in men’s revenue sports as AD, and that’s hard to do considering that baseball was still well above .500 for the first three seasons...

Football and basketball have been an unmitigated disaster... This doesn’t even mention the fact that the guy can’t get an indoor facility built without being stymied by the SJW student body, has failed to renovate the football stadium, and is generally disliked by all student athletes (especially those who played football under Bailiff-a key donor constituency).

My AD knowledge isn’t as deep as my football coach but there’s got to be a better option.

I think the FB claim is valid but he did hire Rhoades who was seen as an up and coming coach. Progress was made but his leaving and the leniency in NCAA rules brought us right back to where we were when he was hired. I can’t blame Pera as he faced an unfair short recruiting period and then those players bailed as well. Losing only one this past year has me optimistic that basketball will improve again this year.
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I'm not in favor of firing him. One bad hire compared to the good he's done isn't reason enough.
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(10-26-2019 03:47 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:32 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  He needs to go... Losing record in men’s revenue sports as AD, and that’s hard to do considering that baseball was still well above .500 for the first three seasons...

Football and basketball have been an unmitigated disaster... This doesn’t even mention the fact that the guy can’t get an indoor facility built without being stymied by the SJW student body, has failed to renovate the football stadium, and is generally disliked by all student athletes (especially those who played football under Bailiff-a key donor constituency).

My AD knowledge isn’t as deep as my football coach but there’s got to be a better option.

I think the FB claim is valid but he did hire Rhoades who was seen as an up and coming coach. Progress was made but his leaving and the leniency in NCAA rules brought us right back to where we were when he was hired. I can’t blame Pera as he faced an unfair short recruiting period and then those players bailed as well. Losing only one this past year has me optimistic that basketball will improve again this year.

I don’t think it’s a valid claim.. We have one of the wealthiest alumni bases in the country (on a per capita basis) in the country, as well as a huge endowment. Joe’s job is to raise money, or convince the university to invest, in athletics. If he was successful in that, we wouldn’t be losing our basketball coach to like the sixth-best university in Virginia.

On the Pera situation-did the guy just not speak to Evans, Douglas, Egor, etc while he was at Rice?? Clearly, he didn’t develop a great relationship with them otherwise they wouldn’t have left... On the “Pera’s First Class” front, again, did we just have nobody in the pipeline that Pera had been recruiting when Rhoades left? The point of hiring Pera was continuity-and we got none.

Now, do I think Pera is on the right track now? Yes... And I think we should give him a chance now... But that doesn’t excuse JK’s poor decision making that put us in the position to have to hope in the first place...
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(10-26-2019 03:49 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  I'm not in favor of firing him. One bad hire compared to the good he's done isn't reason enough.

What good has he done? Our crowds are smaller than ever, our revenue sports as bad as ever... That’s what most people care about. I root for all the non-revenue sports but it’s football, MBB, and to a lesser extent, baseball that move the needle. And he’s failed there.
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(10-26-2019 03:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:47 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:32 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  He needs to go... Losing record in men’s revenue sports as AD, and that’s hard to do considering that baseball was still well above .500 for the first three seasons...

Football and basketball have been an unmitigated disaster... This doesn’t even mention the fact that the guy can’t get an indoor facility built without being stymied by the SJW student body, has failed to renovate the football stadium, and is generally disliked by all student athletes (especially those who played football under Bailiff-a key donor constituency).

My AD knowledge isn’t as deep as my football coach but there’s got to be a better option.

I think the FB claim is valid but he did hire Rhoades who was seen as an up and coming coach. Progress was made but his leaving and the leniency in NCAA rules brought us right back to where we were when he was hired. I can’t blame Pera as he faced an unfair short recruiting period and then those players bailed as well. Losing only one this past year has me optimistic that basketball will improve again this year.

I don’t think it’s a valid claim.. We have one of the wealthiest alumni bases in the country (on a per capita basis) in the country, as well as a huge endowment. Joe’s job is to raise money, or convince the university to invest, in athletics. If he was successful in that, we wouldn’t be losing our basketball coach to like the sixth-best university in Virginia.

On the Pera situation-did the guy just not speak to Evans, Douglas, Egor, etc while he was at Rice?? Clearly, he didn’t develop a great relationship with them otherwise they wouldn’t have left... On the “Pera’s First Class” front, again, did we just have nobody in the pipeline that Pera had been recruiting when Rhoades left? The point of hiring Pera was continuity-and we got none.

Now, do I think Pera is on the right track now? Yes... And I think we should give him a chance now... But that doesn’t excuse JK’s poor decision making that put us in the position to have to hope in the first place...

Players may be recruited by the assistants but they sign because of the head coach and with Rhoades going back to VCU most wanted to go with him. He had his pick pretty much based on what he knew he would need. Martin and Harrison didn’t fit into his plans and Egor wasn’t someone he could build on plus Egor basically wanted to try out at schools that already were powers. And a number of VCU players left when Rhoades was hired.
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(10-26-2019 04:12 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:47 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:32 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  He needs to go... Losing record in men’s revenue sports as AD, and that’s hard to do considering that baseball was still well above .500 for the first three seasons...

Football and basketball have been an unmitigated disaster... This doesn’t even mention the fact that the guy can’t get an indoor facility built without being stymied by the SJW student body, has failed to renovate the football stadium, and is generally disliked by all student athletes (especially those who played football under Bailiff-a key donor constituency).

My AD knowledge isn’t as deep as my football coach but there’s got to be a better option.

I think the FB claim is valid but he did hire Rhoades who was seen as an up and coming coach. Progress was made but his leaving and the leniency in NCAA rules brought us right back to where we were when he was hired. I can’t blame Pera as he faced an unfair short recruiting period and then those players bailed as well. Losing only one this past year has me optimistic that basketball will improve again this year.

I don’t think it’s a valid claim.. We have one of the wealthiest alumni bases in the country (on a per capita basis) in the country, as well as a huge endowment. Joe’s job is to raise money, or convince the university to invest, in athletics. If he was successful in that, we wouldn’t be losing our basketball coach to like the sixth-best university in Virginia.

On the Pera situation-did the guy just not speak to Evans, Douglas, Egor, etc while he was at Rice?? Clearly, he didn’t develop a great relationship with them otherwise they wouldn’t have left... On the “Pera’s First Class” front, again, did we just have nobody in the pipeline that Pera had been recruiting when Rhoades left? The point of hiring Pera was continuity-and we got none.

Now, do I think Pera is on the right track now? Yes... And I think we should give him a chance now... But that doesn’t excuse JK’s poor decision making that put us in the position to have to hope in the first place...

Players may be recruited by the assistants but they sign because of the head coach and with Rhoades going back to VCU most wanted to go with him. He had his pick pretty much based on what he knew he would need. Martin and Harrison didn’t fit into his plans and Egor wasn’t someone he could build on plus Egor basically wanted to try out at schools that already were powers. And a number of VCU players left when Rhoades was hired.

By that logic, Temple football wouldn’t have any players... Heck, they had TWO head coaches leave this past offseason.

Why didn’t lots of soccer players leave for Syracuse this offseason?

Rice doesn’t do a good job with male student-athlete experience is part of the answer to this question... And we’re back to the topic of the thread..
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(10-26-2019 04:14 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 04:12 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:56 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:47 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:32 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  He needs to go... Losing record in men’s revenue sports as AD, and that’s hard to do considering that baseball was still well above .500 for the first three seasons...

Football and basketball have been an unmitigated disaster... This doesn’t even mention the fact that the guy can’t get an indoor facility built without being stymied by the SJW student body, has failed to renovate the football stadium, and is generally disliked by all student athletes (especially those who played football under Bailiff-a key donor constituency).

My AD knowledge isn’t as deep as my football coach but there’s got to be a better option.

I think the FB claim is valid but he did hire Rhoades who was seen as an up and coming coach. Progress was made but his leaving and the leniency in NCAA rules brought us right back to where we were when he was hired. I can’t blame Pera as he faced an unfair short recruiting period and then those players bailed as well. Losing only one this past year has me optimistic that basketball will improve again this year.

I don’t think it’s a valid claim.. We have one of the wealthiest alumni bases in the country (on a per capita basis) in the country, as well as a huge endowment. Joe’s job is to raise money, or convince the university to invest, in athletics. If he was successful in that, we wouldn’t be losing our basketball coach to like the sixth-best university in Virginia.

On the Pera situation-did the guy just not speak to Evans, Douglas, Egor, etc while he was at Rice?? Clearly, he didn’t develop a great relationship with them otherwise they wouldn’t have left... On the “Pera’s First Class” front, again, did we just have nobody in the pipeline that Pera had been recruiting when Rhoades left? The point of hiring Pera was continuity-and we got none.

Now, do I think Pera is on the right track now? Yes... And I think we should give him a chance now... But that doesn’t excuse JK’s poor decision making that put us in the position to have to hope in the first place...

Players may be recruited by the assistants but they sign because of the head coach and with Rhoades going back to VCU most wanted to go with him. He had his pick pretty much based on what he knew he would need. Martin and Harrison didn’t fit into his plans and Egor wasn’t someone he could build on plus Egor basically wanted to try out at schools that already were powers. And a number of VCU players left when Rhoades was hired.

By that logic, Temple football wouldn’t have any players... Heck, they had TWO head coaches leave this past offseason.

Why didn’t lots of soccer players leave for Syracuse this offseason?

I didn’t realize Temple football had lost almost 40% of their roster.like MBB did. And with MBB almost all D1 players still think the NBA is a realistic goal and that transferring to a higher profile program will help them. Thai illusion doesnt exist in women’s soccer. I will agree that the male student experience leaves a good bit to be desired.
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Great thread to use for ventilation.
But I’d save a lot of my time and energy getting too over-wrought....Rice is not gonna fire our AD any time soon.
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(10-26-2019 03:49 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  I'm not in favor of firing him. One bad hire compared to the good he's done isn't reason enough.

A) in fairness, there has been more than one at least questionable hire/fire/extension decision/handling.

B) many of the 'good' things that have happened were suggested here on the Parliament long before they were put into action. He gets credit for actually doing it, but I wonder if we would give a ton of credit to someone who was (as an example) hired because he had done downsizing elsewhere who was hired to do a downsizing and he came in and downsized. Even if he has been undeniably successful to this point, the current question is... what's next?

There has certainly been some good and I haven't done a SWOT analysis to determine where we fall, but I just want to be clear that I don't believe there is anyone on here favoring firing him solely based on Bloomgren
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(10-26-2019 05:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:49 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  I'm not in favor of firing him. One bad hire compared to the good he's done isn't reason enough.

A) in fairness, there has been more than one at least questionable hire/fire/extension decision/handling.

B) many of the 'good' things that have happened were suggested here on the Parliament long before they were put into action

There has certainly been some good and I haven't done a SWOT analysis to determine where we fall, but I just want to be clear that I don't believe there is anyone on here favoring firing him solely based on Bloomgren

Understood, but the calls for firing him come after a football loss. At that point people muster their list of reasons, real and made-up, but it's a football loss that sets them off. If football was on track for a bowl this year, this thread wouldn't exist.
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(10-26-2019 05:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  B) many of the 'good' things that have happened were suggested here on the Parliament long before they were put into action.

Wait, when did we go independent? When did we hire a surgeon as our new head coach?
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(10-26-2019 05:15 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:49 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  I'm not in favor of firing him. One bad hire compared to the good he's done isn't reason enough.

A) in fairness, there has been more than one at least questionable hire/fire/extension decision/handling.

B) many of the 'good' things that have happened were suggested here on the Parliament long before they were put into action

There has certainly been some good and I haven't done a SWOT analysis to determine where we fall, but I just want to be clear that I don't believe there is anyone on here favoring firing him solely based on Bloomgren

Understood, but the calls for firing him come after a football loss. At that point people muster their list of reasons, real and made-up, but it's a football loss that sets them off. If football was on track for a bowl this year, this thread wouldn't exist.

“If football was on track” is like 1/2 the job for a D1 AD in 2019.
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(10-26-2019 05:24 PM)temchugh Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  B) many of the 'good' things that have happened were suggested here on the Parliament long before they were put into action.

Wait, when did we go independent? When did we hire a surgeon as our new head coach?

Lol.. I said many.... The one's I'm talking about actually pre-date JK... the independent conversation was in response to a collapse in the CUSA revenue a few years ago, AFTER JK iirc. I know I didn't favor it until 'the good teams' all left CUSA and then our revenue dropped from around 1.5mm per year to <200,000.

That said, had we gone independent and hired a surgeon, what would the worst case for our record in football have been this year? I'd bet my salary we would have had more than 135 yards offense today.
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(10-26-2019 05:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:24 PM)temchugh Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  B) many of the 'good' things that have happened were suggested here on the Parliament long before they were put into action.

Wait, when did we go independent? When did we hire a surgeon as our new head coach?

Lol.. I said many.... The one's I'm talking about actually pre-date JK... the independent conversation was in response to a collapse in the CUSA revenue a few years ago, AFTER JK iirc. I know I didn't favor it until 'the good teams' all left CUSA and then our revenue dropped from around 1.5mm per year to <200,000.

That said, had we gone independent and hired a surgeon, what would the worst case for our record in football have been this year? I'd bet my salary we would have had more than 135 yards offense today.

Didn't Texas Tech hire a lawyer once?
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(10-26-2019 05:15 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
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(10-26-2019 03:49 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  I'm not in favor of firing him. One bad hire compared to the good he's done isn't reason enough.

A) in fairness, there has been more than one at least questionable hire/fire/extension decision/handling.

B) many of the 'good' things that have happened were suggested here on the Parliament long before they were put into action

There has certainly been some good and I haven't done a SWOT analysis to determine where we fall, but I just want to be clear that I don't believe there is anyone on here favoring firing him solely based on Bloomgren

Understood, but the calls for firing him come after a football loss. At that point people muster their list of reasons, real and made-up, but it's a football loss that sets them off. If football was on track for a bowl this year, this thread wouldn't exist.
That doesn't prove your initial claim. You said football is the only thing Karlgaard's gotten wrong. That (a hyperbolic statement I doubt you even believe yourself) is not at all the same thing as "people only complain about Karlgaard after a football loss" -- all that says is that football weighs more heavily in people's calculus . . . as it should (and that's coming from a nonrevenue athlete alum).

Karlgaard also doesn't have to be a 100% failure, or commit misconduct or something, in order to merit replacement; it's not like he has tenure. If someone else could do it better, that's a sufficient reason and entirely legitimate and rational reason to make a change.
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(10-26-2019 05:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Didn't Texas Tech hire a lawyer once?

Let's arbitrarily decide that there are 500 specific skill sets that a coaching staff must have to be successful. What everyone else does is assign 100 of the 'top' 150 traditional coaching skills to the head coach... and his job is to then hire assistants with the other 400 skills.

All that has ever been suggested is that we look at the skills that we can easily find and hire, such as the ability to identify and recruit talent, versus the skills that we struggle to hire. We struggle with doing more with less. We struggle with connecting the dots between the strengths of the University and the football field.

We don't struggle with hiring people who know football. Every coach we've hired over the past few decades has known football. 350+ of the skills needed for a staff to be successful are easily hired... and every single coach out there right now is focused on being good at the same 150, because they want to advance and that's what most people hire.
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(10-26-2019 05:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:33 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:24 PM)temchugh Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  B) many of the 'good' things that have happened were suggested here on the Parliament long before they were put into action.
Wait, when did we go independent? When did we hire a surgeon as our new head coach?
Lol.. I said many.... The one's I'm talking about actually pre-date JK... the independent conversation was in response to a collapse in the CUSA revenue a few years ago, AFTER JK iirc. I know I didn't favor it until 'the good teams' all left CUSA and then our revenue dropped from around 1.5mm per year to <200,000.
That said, had we gone independent and hired a surgeon, what would the worst case for our record in football have been this year? I'd bet my salary we would have had more than 135 yards offense today.
Didn't Texas Tech hire a lawyer once?

Yes, Mike Leach. Or at least he has a J.D. I'm not sure whether he is actually a licensed attorney or not.
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(10-26-2019 05:51 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:15 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 03:49 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  I'm not in favor of firing him. One bad hire compared to the good he's done isn't reason enough.

A) in fairness, there has been more than one at least questionable hire/fire/extension decision/handling.

B) many of the 'good' things that have happened were suggested here on the Parliament long before they were put into action

There has certainly been some good and I haven't done a SWOT analysis to determine where we fall, but I just want to be clear that I don't believe there is anyone on here favoring firing him solely based on Bloomgren

Understood, but the calls for firing him come after a football loss. At that point people muster their list of reasons, real and made-up, but it's a football loss that sets them off. If football was on track for a bowl this year, this thread wouldn't exist.
That doesn't prove your initial claim. You said football is the only thing Karlgaard's gotten wrong. That (a hyperbolic statement I doubt you even believe yourself) is not at all the same thing as "people only complain about Karlgaard after a football loss" -- all that says is that football weighs more heavily in people's calculus . . . as it should (and that's coming from a nonrevenue athlete alum).

Karlgaard also doesn't have to be a 100% failure, or commit misconduct or something, in order to merit replacement; it's not like he has tenure. If someone else could do it better, that's a sufficient reason and entirely legitimate and rational reason to make a change.

The only valid claim so far, that can be atttributed to him directly, is the Bloomgren hire. I discount the claims that are not factual or amount to blaming him for the weather.
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