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(10-28-2019 01:39 PM)HoopsJunky Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 12:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’ve heard the same about McNeil and the same about Cumberlands cousin, too.

New guys are always unguardable for some reason until the jerseys are different.

Jaevin averaged 17 last year and shot
40% from threes

Rath are you paying homage to Chatter by questioning every
Brannen move?

Jaevin won't have to score 17 a game for us, so I'm bullish on his role for this team. I'm thinking Farad Cobb-ish numbers, and that is all we really need.

(10-28-2019 02:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  And FWIW, Brannen hasn’t earned anything on the court from me as a fan yet. How could he? He can and hopefully will when we start playing games.

FWIW II I thought last years UC roster was a hot mess heading into the season. Still have no idea how that team did what they did. This roster looks screwed up to me but for other reasons. Perhaps this years roster will surprise equally.

Its simple. Jarron Cumberland

(10-28-2019 01:04 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 12:32 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Yeah, the thing that goes mostly unmentioned with Vogt is that he was stuck on the bench behind the best player in the conference. Sorolla was in a similar situation, sharing minutes with Rik Smits' son at Valpo who has the attention of NBA scouts. Not saying either one will be all-conference players, but I don't think they are exactly stiffs either.

Yes, we would love if Brooks was still with us. He developed so much last season. However Nsoseme minutes really went away at end of year in critical games. As sophomores Brooks and Nsoseme barely played in the conference and NCAA tournament, don't think Brooks played at all against Nevada so they were big questions marks before last year. I know you can say different levels of competition in different conferences but going into last year between Nsoseme (0), Scott(0) and Brooks (2) we had a total of 2 games started. This year Vogt (2), Sorolla (32), and Scott (35) we have 69 games started. If you do the comparison in minutes played this year's team is equally more experienced. Plus I am optimistic that Diarra will be light years more competitive this year in Brannen's system. Just my opinion but barring injury I think our front court will be deeper and more versatile as the year proceeds compared to last season; only time will tell.

I disagree, but I was one of the few who was confident in our bigs going into last season. We'd seen Brooks and Scott play against quality competition and had seen what they could do. Brooks put up stats in his sophomore year pretty comparable to Sorolla and Vogt of 2018-19 (and Scott as a sophomore was even better). With the jump in competition though I don't really see Vogt doing much this year. If Sorolla can bring his rebounds per 40 minutes up to at least 10, he will be a serviceable backup, but that is a big if. Logan Johnson (6.8) averaged nearly as many rebounds per 40 minutes as Sorolla (7.2) last year.

Scott is obviously going to be an excellent big, but besides him I don't see much. Diarra has tons of potential and is getting farther along in terms of learning the game. He's the guy I have the most hope in, but I expect him to need a while to become a good/great player - hopefully he will get a lot of minutes/experience and be there by mid/late season.

We will see in the coming days and OSU will be a huge test. I'm not opposed to 4 guards, but I think you need tough athletic guards and forwards to make it happen. I have trouble seeing enough of those on this roster. I also don't think Scott as a small ball 5 will work often. I think starting Diarra and letting him gain experience and development while working through mistakes makes us the best team we can be by the end of the season.

(10-28-2019 06:17 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 01:04 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(10-28-2019 12:32 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Yeah, the thing that goes mostly unmentioned with Vogt is that he was stuck on the bench behind the best player in the conference. Sorolla was in a similar situation, sharing minutes with Rik Smits' son at Valpo who has the attention of NBA scouts. Not saying either one will be all-conference players, but I don't think they are exactly stiffs either.

Yes, we would love if Brooks was still with us. He developed so much last season. However Nsoseme minutes really went away at end of year in critical games. As sophomores Brooks and Nsoseme barely played in the conference and NCAA tournament, don't think Brooks played at all against Nevada so they were big questions marks before last year. I know you can say different levels of competition in different conferences but going into last year between Nsoseme (0), Scott(0) and Brooks (2) we had a total of 2 games started. This year Vogt (2), Sorolla (32), and Scott (35) we have 69 games started. If you do the comparison in minutes played this year's team is equally more experienced. Plus I am optimistic that Diarra will be light years more competitive this year in Brannen's system. Just my opinion but barring injury I think our front court will be deeper and more versatile as the year proceeds compared to last season; only time will tell.

I disagree, but I was one of the few who was confident in our bigs going into last season. We'd seen Brooks and Scott play against quality competition and had seen what they could do. Brooks put up stats in his sophomore year pretty comparable to Sorolla and Vogt of 2018-19 (and Scott as a sophomore was even better). With the jump in competition though I don't really see Vogt doing much this year. If Sorolla can bring his rebounds per 40 minutes up to at least 10, he will be a serviceable backup, but that is a big if. Logan Johnson (6.8) averaged nearly as many rebounds per 40 minutes as Sorolla (7.2) last year.

Scott is obviously going to be an excellent big, but besides him I don't see much. Diarra has tons of potential and is getting farther along in terms of learning the game. He's the guy I have the most hope in, but I expect him to need a while to become a good/great player - hopefully he will get a lot of minutes/experience and be there by mid/late season.

We will see in the coming days and OSU will be a huge test. I'm not opposed to 4 guards, but I think you need tough athletic guards and forwards to make it happen. I have trouble seeing enough of those on this roster. I also don't think Scott as a small ball 5 will work often. I think starting Diarra and letting him gain experience and development while working through mistakes makes us the best team we can be by the end of the season.

Well golly I never would have expected you to disagree with me!

I remember when Terry said Justin Jenifer was going to go down as one of UC's great PGs.

Terry is considered like the crazy uncle at UC. Half the things he says are not true. Hence why he can't hold a real job.

Be like Mookie Blaylock??? And Mookie Blaylock averaged 20 pts/gm and 3 steals? What season? And then the UC player actually googled him to watch video. Give me a break. Never happened.

(10-29-2019 07:31 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  I remember when Terry said Justin Jenifer was going to go down as one of UC's great PGs.

Terry is considered like the crazy uncle at UC. Half the things he says are not true. Hence why he can't hold a real job.

Be like Mookie Blaylock??? And Mookie Blaylock averaged 20 pts/gm and 3 steals? What season? And then the UC player actually googled him to watch video. Give me a break. Never happened.

never know. I remember hearing the story about Giannis and Jason Kidd. Kidd benched him or called him out or something a long those lines and Giannis had the attitude of who the **** are you and why should I listen to you. He then looked up his stats and highlights and had a completely different attitude towards him. So its not out of the realm of possibility this actually happened

(10-29-2019 07:31 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  .

Terry is considered like the crazy uncle at UC. Half the things he says are not true. Hence why he can't hold a real job.

Color commentary for the Bearcats seems like a pretty damn good gig.

(10-29-2019 07:31 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  I remember when Terry said Justin Jenifer was going to go down as one of UC's great PGs.

Terry is considered like the crazy uncle at UC. Half the things he says are not true. Hence why he can't hold a real job.

Be like Mookie Blaylock??? And Mookie Blaylock averaged 20 pts/gm and 3 steals? What season? And then the UC player actually googled him to watch video. Give me a break. Never happened.

I mean ****. I googled a youtube video of Mookie after listening to the podcast in under 30 seconds. What makes you think it would be impossible for a player to spend 5 minutes watching a youtube video. Like of everything you heard in the podcast that is the part you don't understand?

Hmm, re: players being unfairly hyped up before the season, it's almost always a byproduct of the difference in approach individual players have between practice and games. On the podcast referenced Terry was talking about how Jarron sucks in practice. Makes sense that someone like Shaq Thomas might tear the court up because they have a skillset that looks really good when you're the only cat in the gym who's trying.

The Vogt hype was still a little surprising for me to hear because there really isn't any reason to hype him up out of the blue. He hadn't even been granted his waiver yet by that point and not many were expecting much out of him. We'll see.

Either way this team certainly has more talent than last year, even if the loss of Brooks really damages the front court. I have no idea what the answer is down there. None. If this was Mick, we'd probably see Diarra or Vogt come in and provide enough serviceable efforts to rack up some wins, coupled with a few perfomances that will make everyone on here question if they can even play at a D1 level...

...but that's the big Q going into the year. Brannen is completely different than Mick and we have no idea how that will turn out. My hope is that his talent as an offensive mind coalesces well enough with the returning guys to bring the program to a new level, similar to Brian Kelly's ability to turn Dantonio players into offensive juggernauts. I, personally, am excited to see it happen, because what John did at NKU was downright impressive.

(10-29-2019 07:31 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  I remember when Terry said Justin Jenifer was going to go down as one of UC's great PGs.

Terry is considered like the crazy uncle at UC. Half the things he says are not true. Hence why he can't hold a real job.

Be like Mookie Blaylock??? And Mookie Blaylock averaged 20 pts/gm and 3 steals? What season? And then the UC player actually googled him to watch video. Give me a break. Never happened.

While I agree Terry is prone to hyperbole, Mookie did average 20 points and 3.7 steals a game his senior year at Oklahoma. I am pretty sure kids today have no clue who Mookie Blaylock was, s I can imagine Terry saying it--- now whether the kid went out and watched and video on MB is another story.

Did NKU have any good non-conference wins under Brannen? I know they beat Miami, Ohio because I was sitting in the stands but was curious if they had any pelts on the wall of note.

(10-29-2019 11:54 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Did NKU have any good non-conference wins under Brannen? I know they beat Miami, Ohio because I was sitting in the stands but was curious if they had any pelts on the wall of note.

Looking through their schedules, it doesn't look like they had many opportunities.

2015-16:
L by 46 at West Virginia (26-9 and 1st Round Loss in NCAAT)
L by 12 at Xavier (28-6 and 2nd Round Loss in NCAAT)
L by 15 at Michigan (23-12 and 2nd Round Loss in NCAAT)

2016-17:
L by 15 at Illinois (20-15 and NIT bound)
L by 31 at #11 West Virginia (28-9 and Sweet Sixteen)

2017-18:
L by 2 at Memphis (21-13)
L by 6 at Texas A&M (22-13 and Sweet Sixteen)

2018-19:
L by 13 at UCF (21-9 and 2nd Round Loss in NCAAT)
L by 13 at Cincinnati (28-7 and 1st Round Loss in NCAAT)

Thanks. It will be interesting to watch this play out early season against our OOC.

(10-29-2019 11:25 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Hmm, re: players being unfairly hyped up before the season, it's almost always a byproduct of the difference in approach individual players have between practice and games. On the podcast referenced Terry was talking about how Jarron sucks in practice. Makes sense that someone like Shaq Thomas might tear the court up because they have a skillset that looks really good when you're the only cat in the gym who's trying.

The Vogt hype was still a little surprising for me to hear because there really isn't any reason to hype him up out of the blue. He hadn't even been granted his waiver yet by that point and not many were expecting much out of him. We'll see.

Either way this team certainly has more talent than last year, even if the loss of Brooks really damages the front court. I have no idea what the answer is down there. None. If this was Mick, we'd probably see Diarra or Vogt come in and provide enough serviceable efforts to rack up some wins, coupled with a few perfomances that will make everyone on here question if they can even play at a D1 level...

...but that's the big Q going into the year. Brannen is completely different than Mick and we have no idea how that will turn out. My hope is that his talent as an offensive mind coalesces well enough with the returning guys to bring the program to a new level, similar to Brian Kelly's ability to turn Dantonio players into offensive juggernauts. I, personally, am excited to see it happen, because what John did at NKU was downright impressive.

You said Big Q. Oh the memories of Big Q destroying Tulane.