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(10-23-2019 09:59 AM)odufansam Wrote:  Is it just me or would people be willing to let Wilder have one more season if he would stop the BS and just own his mistakes? It's clear ODU needs to go into rebuilding mode like they did when they kicked the program off. Just own it and say you took the team in the wrong direction. Instead of saying "we are a championship team next year". It's delusional and really frustrating to hear. The average fan can clearly see we are not even close.
I speak for many...... it's just you.

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(10-23-2019 09:59 AM)odufansam Wrote:  Is it just me or would people be willing to let Wilder have one more season if he would stop the BS and just own his mistakes? It's clear ODU needs to go into rebuilding mode like they did when they kicked the program off. Just own it and say you took the team in the wrong direction. Instead of saying "we are a championship team next year". It's delusional and really frustrating to hear. The average fan can clearly see we are not even close.

Too late. Maybe if he had started that talk over the summer. But 3 crap seasons in a row is too much. As a fan, Im done with Bobby at this point. We've gone from top 10 FCS to bottom 10 FBS. I don't expect top 25 rankings in football, though it'd be nice. But are winning seasons too much to expect? I don't think so. Especially in this conference.
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(10-23-2019 09:59 AM)odufansam Wrote:  Is it just me or would people be willing to let Wilder have one more season if he would stop the BS and just own his mistakes? It's clear ODU needs to go into rebuilding mode like they did when they kicked the program off. Just own it and say you took the team in the wrong direction. Instead of saying "we are a championship team next year". It's delusional and really frustrating to hear. The average fan can clearly see we are not even close.

In a word, no. It's just you.
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RE: Coaching Protest Idea - Thoughts
“They deserve better results. That’s my job, to give it to them.” ODU, coach Bobby Wilder seek jumpstart.

I mean, that was the headline this week. Is that taking responsibility?

I do think next years team will be loaded (assuming one of the QBs is a starting caliber player and possibly Kumah coming back), but the talk of it being a championship team is dumb. But without any key departures, next years team *should be really good. But, i'm fine with taking the risk that a coaching change won't blow up the young nucleus.
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(10-23-2019 10:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  “They deserve better results. That’s my job, to give it to them.” ODU, coach Bobby Wilder seek jumpstart.

I mean, that was the headline this week. Is that taking responsibility?

It is definitely taking responsibility. But I did find it odd that he did not include his players and the fans in the group of people who deserve better results.
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(10-23-2019 09:59 AM)odufansam Wrote:  Is it just me or would people be willing to let Wilder have one more season if he would stop the BS and just own his mistakes? It's clear ODU needs to go into rebuilding mode like they did when they kicked the program off. Just own it and say you took the team in the wrong direction. Instead of saying "we are a championship team next year". It's delusional and really frustrating to hear. The average fan can clearly see we are not even close.

The problem I have is that there are disturbing patterns.
It took years to finally fix the defense. The Bill Dee promotion was bizarre. The retention of Nagy for so long was irresponsible.
There is the pattern of he alone picking the QB and then having to react in crisis mode during the season to fix that. Bentley/Washington, Williams/LaRussa, and now Smartt/DeWeaver (sans injury to DeWeaver).

Maybe the most disturbing of all is at the OL. The OL is the most difficult position to recruit and develop. I get that.
However, it has been clear to me, and many on here, that we needed to have an FBS level OL coach since at least 2015. The re promotion of Scott to OL coach while retaining the OC duties was akin to the Bill Dee fiasco. The justification was that Scott was OL coach when we had a great OL. The Born, Mewborne, Morrell line was so good talent wise that almost any coach could have handled that, kind of like being the QB coach with Taylor Heinicke. 05-stirthepot

Championship team? Cretainly we will be better, but there will need to be a lot of young unknowns (to us) on the offense to rise to that level. BW compared this team to 2015 and the transition to the 10-3 2016 team. We had a lot of "knowns" then, Duhart, Pascal, Lawry, Cox, Washington. If we have current unknowns on the roster that can rise to that level, then great, but in 2015 we knew our offense was going to be good the next year.

Something not touched on as much lately is recruiting. The size of our University and it's location and market make it very visible. We should be recruiting at least middle of the pack in CUSA. We are not. Except for 2014 we have been near the bottom of CUSA every season.
Although some have touted our 2019 class as an example of progress, our recruiting is NOT getting better as some have optimistically concluded. JUCOS and transfers created some skew but as some of them were three stars, the overall impact was not as great as it might have been.
So, the expected to be excellent 2019 class (Hayden Wolff class) ended up ranked 13 of 14 in CUSA and 116 of 128 in the nation. Additionally, 2020 has us currently 11 of 14 in CUSA and 113 in the nation.
Given our University size and location, that is, imo, unacceptable.
https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Footba...ence=C-USA

If I thought that BW would clean house on the offense, and then step back and let them do their jobs, then great. My guess (I don't know this to actually be true) is that BW is a micro manager who has "all the answers" and if something goes wrong it is always going to be someone else's fault.

I am just not sure a zebra can change his stripes.
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Actually, the opposite. Bobby gives the offensive guys almost free reign.
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(10-23-2019 11:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Actually, the opposite. Bobby gives the offensive guys almost free reign.

I am not sure that choosing the QB is really free reign. That is the heart of the offense and determines what kind of offense must be run.
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(10-23-2019 11:14 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Actually, the opposite. Bobby gives the offensive guys almost free reign.

I am not sure that choosing the QB is really free reign. That is the heart of the offense and determines what kind of offense must be run.

I don't believe you understand how much trust Wilder puts in Scott.
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(10-23-2019 10:41 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 10:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  “They deserve better results. That’s my job, to give it to them.” ODU, coach Bobby Wilder seek jumpstart.

I mean, that was the headline this week. Is that taking responsibility?

It is definitely taking responsibility. But I did find it odd that he did not include his players and the fans in the group of people who deserve better results.

I'm sure it's hard for Bobby to keep his finger on the pulse of the fan base when he blocks anyone that is not 100% sunshine and rainbows. Also, he is only really worried about what Wood and J-Brod think.
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BTW, in case you don't realize this yet, this decision goes above Wood's head. It's Broderick who ultimately will decide (with "help" from big-$ donors). We'll see what his vision for success looks like. Either way, he needs to address the fanbase as to why what will happen happened. It's that important.
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(10-23-2019 11:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Actually, the opposite. Bobby gives the offensive guys almost free reign.

You previously mentioned tension amongst the coaches. Care to elaborate? Do you see BW responsible in some part for this?
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IMO............Opinions are generally what you pay for them, nothing! BW came here from being a good Asst Coach at a mid level FCS school and, with no base, built a high level FCS program. The landscape of conferences changed and we suddenly found ourselves joining a Group of 5 conference with few teams that we were not interested in playing. Because we had good FCS players we were able to hang for a couple years. At this level, we no longer can recruit FCS level players and there is the issue. BW was and remains a GREAT FCS level coach but is over his head now. So we now have 2 choices. 1) Hire a new coach who can recruit the players we now need or 2) go back to FCS where BW flourishes. I'm OK with either. I like playing regional schools and do not like playing schools 3000 miles away. It makes no sense! That being said, there are decisions that need to be made on both fronts and they need to be made soon. Take a deep breath, do whatever is going to be done, and move on.
All this said, if we part with BW, it needs to be done in a dignified way, not as Wendy Larry was let go. We are forever indebted to BW for his efforts. We had nothing before he and his vision arrived.
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(10-24-2019 01:34 PM)imfsff3 Wrote:  IMO............Opinions are generally what you pay for them, nothing! BW came here from being a good Asst Coach at a mid level FCS school and, with no base, built a high level FCS program. The landscape of conferences changed and we suddenly found ourselves joining a Group of 5 conference with few teams that we were not interested in playing. Because we had good FCS players we were able to hang for a couple years. At this level, we no longer can recruit FCS level players and there is the issue. BW was and remains a GREAT FCS level coach but is over his head now. So we now have 2 choices. 1) Hire a new coach who can recruit the players we now need or 2) go back to FCS where BW flourishes. I'm OK with either. I like playing regional schools and do not like playing schools 3000 miles away. It makes no sense! That being said, there are decisions that need to be made on both fronts and they need to be made soon. Take a deep breath, do whatever is going to be done, and move on.
All this said, if we part with BW, it needs to be done in a dignified way, not as Wendy Larry was let go. We are forever indebted to BW for his efforts. We had nothing before he and his vision arrived.

Well said and totally agree with everything you said about BW. I will say however that I would prefer to stay in FBS and hope for a realignment of conferences. That will take a few years but I do believe it will eventually happen.
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(10-23-2019 11:23 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:14 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Actually, the opposite. Bobby gives the offensive guys almost free reign.

I am not sure that choosing the QB is really free reign. That is the heart of the offense and determines what kind of offense must be run.

I don't believe you understand how much trust Wilder puts in Scott.

Isn't that a huge part of the problem then? Wilder should have canned Scott a year or two ago. Now he's going to go down with him.
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Only one winning season out of the last five. Do you want to add another.
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(10-25-2019 10:39 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:23 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:14 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 11:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Actually, the opposite. Bobby gives the offensive guys almost free reign.

I am not sure that choosing the QB is really free reign. That is the heart of the offense and determines what kind of offense must be run.

I don't believe you understand how much trust Wilder puts in Scott.

Isn't that a huge part of the problem then? Wilder should have canned Scott a year or two ago. Now he's going to go down with him.

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(10-22-2019 03:41 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 02:46 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  I hope fans show up on Saturday and for the remaining games. The alternative is to stay home and watch other schools play football on Saturday. That's what we all used to do every Saturday. Now we have a football team and some say - I'm not going??? We have football on our campus in a great stadium. The product is not what any of us want. We are painfully young - 9th youngest in the nation - and we probably shouldn't be that young. But we are. Why stay home and watch other schools play. Go to the game. Drink a beer. See some friends. Enjoy a football game on our very own campus. There's worse things in the world.

Perfectly said. We've beat the BW thing to death and I am 100% on board with the change on the offensive side of the ball as discussed.

I am not on board with quitting on these kids (yes, kids!) - many of them were playing HS ball one year ago. What if one of them was your son? Your whiny boycott sends an awful message. They deserve our support.

If the plans not to renew are purely financial, I understand by the way. Otherwise, shame!

Here's what I'm about, the hiring of a new head football coach, after the season is over. The new coach should have the opportunity to hire whichever staff he feels the most comfortable with. If I was the new coach and not given that, no way would I step foot on campus
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(10-26-2019 07:34 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 03:41 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 02:46 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  I hope fans show up on Saturday and for the remaining games. The alternative is to stay home and watch other schools play football on Saturday. That's what we all used to do every Saturday. Now we have a football team and some say - I'm not going??? We have football on our campus in a great stadium. The product is not what any of us want. We are painfully young - 9th youngest in the nation - and we probably shouldn't be that young. But we are. Why stay home and watch other schools play. Go to the game. Drink a beer. See some friends. Enjoy a football game on our very own campus. There's worse things in the world.

Perfectly said. We've beat the BW thing to death and I am 100% on board with the change on the offensive side of the ball as discussed.

I am not on board with quitting on these kids (yes, kids!) - many of them were playing HS ball one year ago. What if one of them was your son? Your whiny boycott sends an awful message. They deserve our support.

If the plans not to renew are purely financial, I understand by the way. Otherwise, shame!

Here's what I'm about, the hiring of a new head football coach, after the season is over. The new coach should have the opportunity to hire whichever staff he feels the most comfortable with. If I was the new coach and not given that, no way would I step foot on campus
I think that's what usually happens. The HC cuts the fat that's currently there coaching wise and brings in his staff.

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