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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(01-12-2021 03:44 PM)Wedge Wrote: Your 2008 entry should be Utah (#2 in final AP poll) rather than Boise State (#11). Utah was in the Mountain West that season; their first Pac-12 season was 2011.
Final 2008 AP poll: http://collegepollarchive.com/football/a...sonid=2008
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(01-14-2021 01:47 PM)Shox Wrote: (01-12-2021 03:44 PM)Wedge Wrote: Your 2008 entry should be Utah (#2 in final AP poll) rather than Boise State (#11). Utah was in the Mountain West that season; their first Pac-12 season was 2011.
Final 2008 AP poll: http://collegepollarchive.com/football/a...sonid=2008
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Is Cincinnati going to 3 peat or can App State make a run at it this year. It will be really interesting next year when UCF, Cincinnati, and Houston move to the Big XII. They have claimed the majority of these mythical championships over the last decade.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(10-22-2019 10:59 AM)Shox Wrote: As the P5 continue to separate itself from the rest of the pack, the other conferences will develop some sort of playoff system or crown their own champion. When that happens, it only makes sense for some of those schools to go back and retroactively claim championships like Bama and others have slyly done. Anyways, here is the list starting with the BCS era of the top ranked G5 programs. Not all of them played in a NYD bowl but most did.
1998: Tulane
1999: Marshall
2003: Miami of Ohio
2004: Utah
2006: Boise
2007: Hawaii
2008: Utah
2009: Boise
2010: TCU
2011: Utah
2012: Northern Illinois
2013: UCF
2014: Boise
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF
2019: Memphis
2020: Cincinnati
2021: Cincinnati
2022: Tulane
Bumped with slight changes and to add Tulane for 2022.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(12-19-2022 05:52 PM)Shox Wrote: (10-22-2019 10:59 AM)Shox Wrote: As the P5 continue to separate itself from the rest of the pack, the other conferences will develop some sort of playoff system or crown their own champion. When that happens, it only makes sense for some of those schools to go back and retroactively claim championships like Bama and others have slyly done. Anyways, here is the list starting with the BCS era of the top ranked G5 programs. Not all of them played in a NYD bowl but most did.
1998: Tulane
1999: Marshall
2003: Miami of Ohio
2004: Utah
2006: Boise
2007: Hawaii
2008: Utah
2009: Boise
2010: TCU
2011: Utah
2012: Northern Illinois
2013: UCF
2014: Boise
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF
2019: Memphis
2020: Cincinnati
2021: Cincinnati
2022: Tulane
Bumped with slight changes and to add Tulane for 2022.
I must have missed the regarding the exclusion of 2000-2002 but I presume it is because no G5 finished in the final BCS ranking those seasons. That being said, here are the conference affiliations on this list.
Then
8 - AAC
5 - MWC
4 - MAC
3 - WAC
1 - CUSA
Future Announced
7 - XII
4 - MWC
3 - AAC, MAC, PAC
1 - SBC
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
What this thread does point out is that the G5 actually kinda has a mythical national championship similar to what we had before the BCS. What would be interesting is to set up a NIT type "Champions" tournament for the 4 G5 conferences who are not in the CFP playoff and have it be sponsored by the CFP. It would have team payouts similar to the current CFP and could elevate 3 current G5 bowls to do a small playoff that ran in the mid-week during the same period as the CFP. The "G5 Champions Cup" would be awarded to winner--who would essentially be the G5 runner up (the CFP representative would of course be the true G5 champ---but it would still give bragging rights to whoever won the Champions Cup). The "Champions Cup Tournament" would be a fun reasonably high profile post season destination for the G5 champs that do not make the playoff---that would be far more interesting and attractive to the general public than the current low end bowl destination that typically awaits most of the G5 champs each year.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
It looks like this year the G5 champs all have reasonable match-ups. But there's been times where I've seen a G5 champ play a 7-5 or 6-6 team non-champ in a bowl game & it makes no sense.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
This list is diluted with teams that lost.
It should only be undefeated teams who won their bowl game.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(12-20-2022 09:44 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: This list is diluted with teams that lost.
It should only be undefeated teams who won their bowl game.
Highest ranked can claim it anyways like what the P5 used to do.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(12-20-2022 10:18 AM)Bronco14 Wrote: (12-20-2022 09:44 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: This list is diluted with teams that lost.
It should only be undefeated teams who won their bowl game.
Highest ranked can claim it anyways like what the P5 used to do.
Yeah I agree. Being unbeaten has never been a requirement for winning a regular national title.
It should just be whatever G5 team finished highest in the final post-bowl AP/Coaches polls.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
IDK about 1998-2005, but can’t you just use the BCS/Big Six bowl participant for 2006 on?
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(12-20-2022 09:37 AM)Bronco14 Wrote: It looks like this year the G5 champs all have reasonable match-ups. But there's been times where I've seen a G5 champ play a 7-5 or 6-6 team non-champ in a bowl game & it makes no sense.
BYU won its mythical NC by beating 6-5 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl. And that might have been the best team they beat all season. IIRC the only ranked team they faced was Pitt in Week 1. Ranked #3 in preseason, the Panthers then went on to post a 3-8 record. Which says all you need to know about preseason rankings.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(12-20-2022 10:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (12-20-2022 10:18 AM)Bronco14 Wrote: (12-20-2022 09:44 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: This list is diluted with teams that lost.
It should only be undefeated teams who won their bowl game.
Highest ranked can claim it anyways like what the P5 used to do.
Yeah I agree. Being unbeaten has never been a requirement for winning a regular national title.
It should just be whatever G5 team finished highest in the final post-bowl AP/Coaches polls.
Correct. Its a mythical poll driven championship. Its the same kind of championship we had for all of college football up until the 1990's introduction of the Bowl Coalition and BCS.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
Other years (2000-2002, 2005):
1998: Tulane
1999: Marshall
2000: #14 Colorado St 10-2
2001: #17 Louisville 11-2
2002: #15 Boise St 12-1
2003: Miami of Ohio
2004: Utah
2005: #11 TCU 11-1
2006: Boise
2007: Hawaii
2008: Utah
2009: Boise
2010: TCU
2011: Utah
2012: Northern Illinois
2013: UCF
2014: Boise
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF
2019: Memphis
2020: Cincinnati
2021: Cincinnati
2022: Tulane
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(10-22-2019 01:57 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: (10-22-2019 10:59 AM)Shox Wrote: Don't get your panties in a bunch, this is just for fun. However, I am willing to bet that the P5/6 continue to seperate itself from the rest of the pack, the other conference will develop some sort of playoff system or crown their own champion. When that happens, it only makes sense for some of those schools to go back and retroactively claim championships like Bama and others have slyly done. Anyways, here is the list, change as needed. Of note though, it is likely that the American will go with any P6 breakaway taking a few MWC schools with them. In that case, I doubt they would claim anything retroactively but I included them none the less.
1998: Tulane
1999: Marshall
2003: Miami of Ohio
2004: Utah
2006: Boise
2007: Hawaii
2008: Boise
2009: Boise
2010: TCU
2011: Boise
2012: Northern Illinois
2013: UCF
2014: Boise
2015: Houston
2016: Western Michigan
2017: UCF
2018: UCF
So
Mountain West - 8
AAC -5
MAC - 3
CUSA - 1
Sun Belt - ZERO
WAC had 5, MWC have 3.
Hawaii and Boise State were in the WAC where they won 5 of the G5 champs.
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RE: List of Hypothetical G5 National Champions
(01-12-2021 08:10 PM)ken d Wrote: Those SMU teams were at the heart of the reason SMU was given the death penalty shortly thereafter. Karma's a *****.
Getting back to the original post, it appears that what was intended to demonstrate why the AAC is more deserving than other G5 conferences of "P" status, or at least tweener status, is based on a claim of two claimed championships in the era before the AP poll was created - one in 1926 and one in 1935. That's pretty weak sauce, especially since few people disagree with the tweener label in the first place..
Wouldn't a better argument be that in their 10 year existence the AAC has been the top G5 team 8 times?
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