Good article here about Georgia high school football generating a rapidly increasing number of blue chip players.

Biggest reason appears to be the amount of money that local communities are putting behind high school football.

As Atlanta metro area booms, so does football in Georgia

Quote:The population of the Atlanta metropolitan area has boomed, adding 663,000 residents since 2010 to make it the fourth-fastest growing in the United States. The surge has created vibrant, even affluent suburbs and exurbs, such as Milton.

It also has boosted the quality and depth of high school football in a state where both were already among the best in the country. Many public schools are running well-resourced programs that lure top coaches from neighboring states with big salaries and prepare players for the next level with operations that mimic elite colleges.

Georgia has become the clear No. 4 state behind Texas, Florida and California when it comes to producing football players for major college programs.

(10-20-2019 05:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Good article here about Georgia high school football generating a rapidly increasing number of blue chip players.

Biggest reason appears to be the amount of money that local communities are putting behind high school football.

As Atlanta metro area booms, so does football in Georgia

Quote:The population of the Atlanta metropolitan area has boomed, adding 663,000 residents since 2010 to make it the fourth-fastest growing in the United States. The surge has created vibrant, even affluent suburbs and exurbs, such as Milton.

It also has boosted the quality and depth of high school football in a state where both were already among the best in the country. Many public schools are running well-resourced programs that lure top coaches from neighboring states with big salaries and prepare players for the next level with operations that mimic elite colleges.

Georgia has become the clear No. 4 state behind Texas, Florida and California when it comes to producing football players for major college programs.

And 3 of those 4 states are in the existing SEC footprint. But it's much deeper than that. The South is a football first culture so therefore a much higher % of the high school male population plays than in other parts of the country. In a town of only 5,000 people it is not unusual to have 140 to 150 boys out for varsity football assuming the town has two high schools, usually one public and one private. Valdosta and Warner Robbins and Columbus join the Atlanta area in blue chip production and football along the coast of Georgia produces quite a few as well.

Alabama and Mississippi aren't slouches either. But if you had to tag another Southern state among the leaders it would be Louisiana.

So add the culture to the growth and yes we've known for sometime now that you have to recruit the Southeast to compete with the SEC which of course Oklahoma and Ohio State have managed to do.

Back in the 80's when I followed up on recruiting violations the same was true, just not to the degree it is today. And even back then Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, and Ohio State were coming into the Southeast to recruit. It's just that the preponderance of top stars want to stay where their parents can watch them play.

What I find ironic is that some of the better QB coaches and head coaches still come from the Northern Midwest. There's too much hiring of home grown coaches when there are some elsewhere doing much better work.

(10-20-2019 05:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Good article here about Georgia high school football generating a rapidly increasing number of blue chip players.

Biggest reason appears to be the amount of money that local communities are putting behind high school football.

As Atlanta metro area booms, so does football in Georgia

Quote:The population of the Atlanta metropolitan area has boomed, adding 663,000 residents since 2010 to make it the fourth-fastest growing in the United States. The surge has created vibrant, even affluent suburbs and exurbs, such as Milton.

It also has boosted the quality and depth of high school football in a state where both were already among the best in the country. Many public schools are running well-resourced programs that lure top coaches from neighboring states with big salaries and prepare players for the next level with operations that mimic elite colleges.

Georgia has become the clear No. 4 state behind Texas, Florida and California when it comes to producing football players for major college programs.

Georgia's always had good HS football. And per capita, its South Georgia where the densest talent is. The South Georgia districts dominates the top levels-Valdosta & Lowndes County and Colquitt County and a host of others.

Last year the leading state for SEC recruits-Georgia, not Florida.

And actually, Milton still is filled with horse farms, contrary to the implication. Its a well to do suburb that enforces low density.

North Gwinnett HS, which they mention, is a big school with about 2700 students. And it does well academically too. We went there one time and they listed the number of National Merit scholars for the past 3 years on the cafeteria walls. Don't remember exactly, but think it was around 25-30 each year. Their football stadium is fairly nice. They also have it locked up when school isn't in session (I remember the days when UT's Memorial Stadium was open 24/7).

(10-20-2019 07:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 05:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Good article here about Georgia high school football generating a rapidly increasing number of blue chip players.

Biggest reason appears to be the amount of money that local communities are putting behind high school football.

As Atlanta metro area booms, so does football in Georgia

Quote:The population of the Atlanta metropolitan area has boomed, adding 663,000 residents since 2010 to make it the fourth-fastest growing in the United States. The surge has created vibrant, even affluent suburbs and exurbs, such as Milton.

It also has boosted the quality and depth of high school football in a state where both were already among the best in the country. Many public schools are running well-resourced programs that lure top coaches from neighboring states with big salaries and prepare players for the next level with operations that mimic elite colleges.

Georgia has become the clear No. 4 state behind Texas, Florida and California when it comes to producing football players for major college programs.

Georgia's always had good HS football. And per capita, its South Georgia where the densest talent is. The South Georgia districts dominates the top levels-Valdosta & Lowndes County and Colquitt County and a host of others.

Last year the leading state for SEC recruits-Georgia, not Florida.

If I'd hazard to guess, Florida talent is mostly split between the SEC, ACC, northern schools with local ties, and southern G5 programs (not evenly in number and quality of recruits of course). I imagine that those other groups don't have nearly the presence in Georgia that the SEC does, mostly driven by population keeping down the former's demand (FL has twice the people GA does) and smaller number of major programs meaning much fewer coaches have football ties there (until recently only 2 FBS and 2 FCS, whereas Florida has 7 and 4 respectively) imo.

(10-20-2019 07:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 07:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 05:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Good article here about Georgia high school football generating a rapidly increasing number of blue chip players.

Biggest reason appears to be the amount of money that local communities are putting behind high school football.

As Atlanta metro area booms, so does football in Georgia

Quote:The population of the Atlanta metropolitan area has boomed, adding 663,000 residents since 2010 to make it the fourth-fastest growing in the United States. The surge has created vibrant, even affluent suburbs and exurbs, such as Milton.

It also has boosted the quality and depth of high school football in a state where both were already among the best in the country. Many public schools are running well-resourced programs that lure top coaches from neighboring states with big salaries and prepare players for the next level with operations that mimic elite colleges.

Georgia has become the clear No. 4 state behind Texas, Florida and California when it comes to producing football players for major college programs.

Georgia's always had good HS football. And per capita, its South Georgia where the densest talent is. The South Georgia districts dominates the top levels-Valdosta & Lowndes County and Colquitt County and a host of others.

Last year the leading state for SEC recruits-Georgia, not Florida.

If I'd hazard to guess, Florida talent is mostly split between the SEC, ACC, northern schools with local ties, and southern G5 programs (not evenly in number and quality of recruits of course). I imagine that those other groups don't have nearly the presence in Georgia that the SEC does, mostly driven by population keeping down the former's demand (FL has twice the people GA does) and smaller number of major programs meaning much fewer coaches have football ties there (until recently only 2 FBS and 2 FCS, whereas Florida has 7 and 4 respectively) imo.

From Mobile to Port St. Joe in the West and from Jacksonville to St. Augustine over to Palatka through Gainesville into the Panhandle it's predominately SEC & Florida State. From Tampa / St.Pete South on both coasts is wide open. People have migrated there from all over and many of them will have kids that return to Mom and Dad's original state to play football, or they are open to going wherever. The area between Pt. St. Joe and and Tampa, and South of St. Augustine but North of Orlando is a battleground for recruits. Florida and F.S.U. recruit statewide, but they have to battle Georgia, Auburn, and Alabama in the Norther part of the State.

So like Texas yes there are lots of recruits in Florida, but like Texas everyone recruits there. And like Texas the top two state programs get the lions share of recruits in state and fights everyone else for the rest.

In Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia most will stay in state and if somebody steals one it will be Mom & Dad's alma mater, or now and then a blue blood program like Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and once upon a time Nebraska but not anymore. But most of the kids in those states, and most in Georgia, want to stay at home to play.

There's a reason that the ACC's top programs are Clemson and Florida State. Both of those programs have decent old ties to many of the SEC programs and the recruiting hotbed starts in South Carolina, parts of Tennessee and moves South.

(10-20-2019 07:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 07:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 05:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Good article here about Georgia high school football generating a rapidly increasing number of blue chip players.

Biggest reason appears to be the amount of money that local communities are putting behind high school football.

As Atlanta metro area booms, so does football in Georgia

Quote:The population of the Atlanta metropolitan area has boomed, adding 663,000 residents since 2010 to make it the fourth-fastest growing in the United States. The surge has created vibrant, even affluent suburbs and exurbs, such as Milton.

It also has boosted the quality and depth of high school football in a state where both were already among the best in the country. Many public schools are running well-resourced programs that lure top coaches from neighboring states with big salaries and prepare players for the next level with operations that mimic elite colleges.

Georgia has become the clear No. 4 state behind Texas, Florida and California when it comes to producing football players for major college programs.

Georgia's always had good HS football. And per capita, its South Georgia where the densest talent is. The South Georgia districts dominates the top levels-Valdosta & Lowndes County and Colquitt County and a host of others.

Last year the leading state for SEC recruits-Georgia, not Florida.

If I'd hazard to guess, Florida talent is mostly split between the SEC, ACC, northern schools with local ties, and southern G5 programs (not evenly in number and quality of recruits of course). I imagine that those other groups don't have nearly the presence in Georgia that the SEC does, mostly driven by population keeping down the former's demand (FL has twice the people GA does) and smaller number of major programs meaning much fewer coaches have football ties there (until recently only 2 FBS and 2 FCS, whereas Florida has 7 and 4 respectively) imo.

Utah, Boise and Utah State gets a few players from Florida


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(10-20-2019 07:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 07:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 05:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Good article here about Georgia high school football generating a rapidly increasing number of blue chip players.

Biggest reason appears to be the amount of money that local communities are putting behind high school football.

As Atlanta metro area booms, so does football in Georgia

Quote:The population of the Atlanta metropolitan area has boomed, adding 663,000 residents since 2010 to make it the fourth-fastest growing in the United States. The surge has created vibrant, even affluent suburbs and exurbs, such as Milton.

It also has boosted the quality and depth of high school football in a state where both were already among the best in the country. Many public schools are running well-resourced programs that lure top coaches from neighboring states with big salaries and prepare players for the next level with operations that mimic elite colleges.

Georgia has become the clear No. 4 state behind Texas, Florida and California when it comes to producing football players for major college programs.

Georgia's always had good HS football. And per capita, its South Georgia where the densest talent is. The South Georgia districts dominates the top levels-Valdosta & Lowndes County and Colquitt County and a host of others.

Last year the leading state for SEC recruits-Georgia, not Florida.

If I'd hazard to guess, Florida talent is mostly split between the SEC, ACC, northern schools with local ties, and southern G5 programs (not evenly in number and quality of recruits of course). I imagine that those other groups don't have nearly the presence in Georgia that the SEC does, mostly driven by population keeping down the former's demand (FL has twice the people GA does) and smaller number of major programs meaning much fewer coaches have football ties there (until recently only 2 FBS and 2 FCS, whereas Florida has 7 and 4 respectively) imo.

I saw the figures for a recent year (maybe 2017). ACC had the most Florida recruits. SEC was just behind them and the Big 10 was just behind the SEC.

(10-20-2019 07:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 07:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 07:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 05:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Good article here about Georgia high school football generating a rapidly increasing number of blue chip players.

Biggest reason appears to be the amount of money that local communities are putting behind high school football.

As Atlanta metro area booms, so does football in Georgia

Quote:The population of the Atlanta metropolitan area has boomed, adding 663,000 residents since 2010 to make it the fourth-fastest growing in the United States. The surge has created vibrant, even affluent suburbs and exurbs, such as Milton.

It also has boosted the quality and depth of high school football in a state where both were already among the best in the country. Many public schools are running well-resourced programs that lure top coaches from neighboring states with big salaries and prepare players for the next level with operations that mimic elite colleges.

Georgia has become the clear No. 4 state behind Texas, Florida and California when it comes to producing football players for major college programs.

Georgia's always had good HS football. And per capita, its South Georgia where the densest talent is. The South Georgia districts dominates the top levels-Valdosta & Lowndes County and Colquitt County and a host of others.

Last year the leading state for SEC recruits-Georgia, not Florida.

If I'd hazard to guess, Florida talent is mostly split between the SEC, ACC, northern schools with local ties, and southern G5 programs (not evenly in number and quality of recruits of course). I imagine that those other groups don't have nearly the presence in Georgia that the SEC does, mostly driven by population keeping down the former's demand (FL has twice the people GA does) and smaller number of major programs meaning much fewer coaches have football ties there (until recently only 2 FBS and 2 FCS, whereas Florida has 7 and 4 respectively) imo.

From Mobile to Port St. Joe in the West and from Jacksonville to St. Augustine over to Palatka through Gainesville into the Panhandle it's predominately SEC & Florida State. From Tampa / St.Pete South on both coasts is wide open. People have migrated there from all over and many of them will have kids that return to Mom and Dad's original state to play football, or they are open to going wherever. The area between Pt. St. Joe and and Tampa, and South of St. Augustine but North of Orlando is a battleground for recruits. Florida and F.S.U. recruit statewide, but they have to battle Georgia, Auburn, and Alabama in the Norther part of the State.

So like Texas yes there are lots of recruits in Florida, but like Texas everyone recruits there. And like Texas the top two state programs get the lions share of recruits in state and fights everyone else for the rest.

In Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia most will stay in state and if somebody steals one it will be Mom & Dad's alma mater, or now and then a blue blood program like Texas, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and once upon a time Nebraska but not anymore. But most of the kids in those states, and most in Georgia, want to stay at home to play.

There's a reason that the ACC's top programs are Clemson and Florida State. Both of those programs have decent old ties to many of the SEC programs and the recruiting hotbed starts in South Carolina, parts of Tennessee and moves South.

HS football recruiting is getting more national at the top, much like basketball. In Texas, the top 10-15 go to a variety of top programs around the country (including the local programs). After that, Texas, Texas A&M and OU pretty much get who they want before the rest of the schools get their picks.

Georgia doesn't have that situation in Georgia. They are trying to lock down the state, but they have to fight for all their recruits vs. the other SEC schools, not just the top 10 or so. Of course they have the advantage that they really have no competition in state. Georgia Tech just doesn't compete directly with Georgia.

Notre Dame enacted a recruiting policy a few years ago to move away from Florida recruits to Georgia recruits (in particular) and those in the Virginia Tidewater and the Carolinas.

The Florida kids seemed to get into trouble, academically and with the law/school more than other kids.

I also think this is a reason the SEC would be interested in expanding into North Carolina and Virginia. They would be good markets for TV, but there's also a decent amount of high school talent in both states.

Especially if you've got exposure in the DC/Maryland region then there's a good number of players up that way.

(10-21-2019 02:28 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I also think this is a reason the SEC would be interested in expanding into North Carolina and Virginia. They would be good markets for TV, but there's also a decent amount of high school talent in both states.

Especially if you've got exposure in the DC/Maryland region then there's a good number of players up that way.

There are two ways of looking at this. You could say that the markets would be nice, but the # of 5 star recruits in North Carolina and Virginia would not really impact the SEC up or down. I would argue that adding Clemson and Florida State would merely cement our hold over recruits in our own region making the SEC even a bit more impregnable to outside influences when it comes to recruiting.

Even within the SEC the competitiveness of programs reflects the division line on recruiting talent. Kentucky has a up hill slog because they simply don't have as many to choose from as the Alabama and Mississippi schools and they aren't even in the same ball park with Texas A&M, L.S.U., Georgia and Florida.

When segregation ended in the early 80's the worm turned for the SEC. Keeping star African American athletes at home is what has led to the regionalization of college football.

If you took FSU and Clemson and added Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the mix you would have domination over the richest recruiting fields in the nation and one heckuva football league.

The difference right now between Ohio State and Michigan is that the Buckeyes recruit the Southeast fairly well, at least much better than Michigan. Penn State draws heavily from the Mid-Atlantic and into Ohio and Pennsylvania is a strong recruiting grounds anyway.

Forget SEC/ACC stuff and just look at the Deep South. The SEC won 7 national titles in a row under the BCS. There has only been 1 champion not from the Deep South since the CFP began and that was Ohio State. My point is no school north of South Carolina has won a championship in the last 12 years other than Ohio State. Recruiting is the reason.

So North Carolina and Virginia are nice markets, great schools and are Southern and would be wonderful for the SEC to have. But if football quality and using the natural resources of our region are why we have won championships then further expansion would maximize all of that if we consolidated our branding with F.S.U. / Clemson / Texas / Texas Tech / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State. Then if we wanted a league and they were so inclined Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Notre Dame could come in and you would essentially have total control over the annual top 25

(10-21-2019 03:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 02:28 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I also think this is a reason the SEC would be interested in expanding into North Carolina and Virginia. They would be good markets for TV, but there's also a decent amount of high school talent in both states.

Especially if you've got exposure in the DC/Maryland region then there's a good number of players up that way.

There are two ways of looking at this. You could say that the markets would be nice, but the # of 5 star recruits in North Carolina and Virginia would not really impact the SEC up or down. I would argue that adding Clemson and Florida State would merely cement our hold over recruits in our own region making the SEC even a bit more impregnable to outside influences when it comes to recruiting.

Even within the SEC the competitiveness of programs reflects the division line on recruiting talent. Kentucky has a up hill slog because they simply don't have as many to choose from as the Alabama and Mississippi schools and they aren't even in the same ball park with Texas A&M, L.S.U., Georgia and Florida.

When segregation ended in the early 80's the worm turned for the SEC. Keeping star African American athletes at home is what has led to the regionalization of college football.

If you took FSU and Clemson and added Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the mix you would have domination over the richest recruiting fields in the nation and one heckuva football league.

The difference right now between Ohio State and Michigan is that the Buckeyes recruit the Southeast fairly well, at least much better than Michigan. Penn State draws heavily from the Mid-Atlantic and into Ohio and Pennsylvania is a strong recruiting grounds anyway.

Forget SEC/ACC stuff and just look at the Deep South. The SEC won 7 national titles in a row under the BCS. There has only been 1 champion not from the Deep South since the CFP began and that was Ohio State. My point is no school north of South Carolina has won a championship in the last 12 years other than Ohio State. Recruiting is the reason.

So North Carolina and Virginia are nice markets, great schools and are Southern and would be wonderful for the SEC to have. But if football quality and using the natural resources of our region are why we have won championships then further expansion would maximize all of that if we consolidated our branding with F.S.U. / Clemson / Texas / Texas Tech / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State. Then if we wanted a league and they were so inclined Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Notre Dame could come in and you would essentially have total control over the annual top 25

Thankfully, for the sake of college football, the chances of this happening are remote at best.

(10-21-2019 03:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 02:28 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I also think this is a reason the SEC would be interested in expanding into North Carolina and Virginia. They would be good markets for TV, but there's also a decent amount of high school talent in both states.

Especially if you've got exposure in the DC/Maryland region then there's a good number of players up that way.

There are two ways of looking at this. You could say that the markets would be nice, but the # of 5 star recruits in North Carolina and Virginia would not really impact the SEC up or down. I would argue that adding Clemson and Florida State would merely cement our hold over recruits in our own region making the SEC even a bit more impregnable to outside influences when it comes to recruiting.

Even within the SEC the competitiveness of programs reflects the division line on recruiting talent. Kentucky has a up hill slog because they simply don't have as many to choose from as the Alabama and Mississippi schools and they aren't even in the same ball park with Texas A&M, L.S.U., Georgia and Florida.

When segregation ended in the early 80's the worm turned for the SEC. Keeping star African American athletes at home is what has led to the regionalization of college football.

If you took FSU and Clemson and added Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the mix you would have domination over the richest recruiting fields in the nation and one heckuva football league.

The difference right now between Ohio State and Michigan is that the Buckeyes recruit the Southeast fairly well, at least much better than Michigan. Penn State draws heavily from the Mid-Atlantic and into Ohio and Pennsylvania is a strong recruiting grounds anyway.

Forget SEC/ACC stuff and just look at the Deep South. The SEC won 7 national titles in a row under the BCS. There has only been 1 champion not from the Deep South since the CFP began and that was Ohio State. My point is no school north of South Carolina has won a championship in the last 12 years other than Ohio State. Recruiting is the reason.

So North Carolina and Virginia are nice markets, great schools and are Southern and would be wonderful for the SEC to have. But if football quality and using the natural resources of our region are why we have won championships then further expansion would maximize all of that if we consolidated our branding with F.S.U. / Clemson / Texas / Texas Tech / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State. Then if we wanted a league and they were so inclined Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Notre Dame could come in and you would essentially have total control over the annual top 25

Going back to 1998 when Tennessee was #1 and Ohio St. #2, only Oregon (#2 3 times), Utah (#2 1 time) and Ohio St. (#1 2 times and #2 1 time) north of South Carolina has even been in the top 2. Its all been Texas/Oklahoma to South Carolina/Florida + USC.

(10-21-2019 08:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 03:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 02:28 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I also think this is a reason the SEC would be interested in expanding into North Carolina and Virginia. They would be good markets for TV, but there's also a decent amount of high school talent in both states.

Especially if you've got exposure in the DC/Maryland region then there's a good number of players up that way.

There are two ways of looking at this. You could say that the markets would be nice, but the # of 5 star recruits in North Carolina and Virginia would not really impact the SEC up or down. I would argue that adding Clemson and Florida State would merely cement our hold over recruits in our own region making the SEC even a bit more impregnable to outside influences when it comes to recruiting.

Even within the SEC the competitiveness of programs reflects the division line on recruiting talent. Kentucky has a up hill slog because they simply don't have as many to choose from as the Alabama and Mississippi schools and they aren't even in the same ball park with Texas A&M, L.S.U., Georgia and Florida.

When segregation ended in the early 80's the worm turned for the SEC. Keeping star African American athletes at home is what has led to the regionalization of college football.

If you took FSU and Clemson and added Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the mix you would have domination over the richest recruiting fields in the nation and one heckuva football league.

The difference right now between Ohio State and Michigan is that the Buckeyes recruit the Southeast fairly well, at least much better than Michigan. Penn State draws heavily from the Mid-Atlantic and into Ohio and Pennsylvania is a strong recruiting grounds anyway.

Forget SEC/ACC stuff and just look at the Deep South. The SEC won 7 national titles in a row under the BCS. There has only been 1 champion not from the Deep South since the CFP began and that was Ohio State. My point is no school north of South Carolina has won a championship in the last 12 years other than Ohio State. Recruiting is the reason.

So North Carolina and Virginia are nice markets, great schools and are Southern and would be wonderful for the SEC to have. But if football quality and using the natural resources of our region are why we have won championships then further expansion would maximize all of that if we consolidated our branding with F.S.U. / Clemson / Texas / Texas Tech / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State. Then if we wanted a league and they were so inclined Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Notre Dame could come in and you would essentially have total control over the annual top 25

Going back to 1998 when Tennessee was #1 and Ohio St. #2, only Oregon (#2 3 times), Utah (#2 1 time) and Ohio St. (#1 2 times and #2 1 time) north of South Carolina has even been in the top 2. Its all been Texas/Oklahoma to South Carolina/Florida + USC.

It's simply true. College football really exists between Texas and South Carolina inclusive of Oklahoma, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida Georgia, and South Carolina and I include Mississippi for recruiting. Tennessee is hit or miss. Outside of that it's Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Notre Dame. There's nothing stellar remaining in the PAC 12. And outside of Clemson and usually Florida State there's nothing exceptional in the ACC.

(10-21-2019 09:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Georgia doesn't have that situation in Georgia. They are trying to lock down the state, but they have to fight for all their recruits vs. the other SEC schools, not just the top 10 or so. Of course they have the advantage that they really have no competition in state. Georgia Tech just doesn't compete directly with Georgia.

UGA has no chance of locking down the state. While you are correct in that Tech doesn't offer much of a challenged, that is balanced by the fact that Auburn and Clemson have pinched recruits forever. The Vols success in the 90's was forged from Peach State talent.

(10-21-2019 12:36 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Notre Dame enacted a recruiting policy a few years ago to move away from Florida recruits to Georgia recruits (in particular) and those in the Virginia Tidewater and the Carolinas.

The Florida kids seemed to get into trouble, academically and with the law/school more than other kids.

That is interesting insight TerryD. Adds an additional reason for the ND/UGA series that just wrapped up. Thanks

(10-23-2019 06:43 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 09:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Georgia doesn't have that situation in Georgia. They are trying to lock down the state, but they have to fight for all their recruits vs. the other SEC schools, not just the top 10 or so. Of course they have the advantage that they really have no competition in state. Georgia Tech just doesn't compete directly with Georgia.

UGA has no chance of locking down the state. While you are correct in that Tech doesn't offer much of a challenged, that is balanced by the fact that Auburn and Clemson have pinched recruits forever. The Vols success in the 90's was forged from Peach State talent.

(10-21-2019 12:36 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Notre Dame enacted a recruiting policy a few years ago to move away from Florida recruits to Georgia recruits (in particular) and those in the Virginia Tidewater and the Carolinas.

The Florida kids seemed to get into trouble, academically and with the law/school more than other kids.

That is interesting insight TerryD. Adds an additional reason for the ND/UGA series that just wrapped up. Thanks

Over the last several years roughly 20% of Carolina's recruits have come from the state of Georgia.

(10-23-2019 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 06:43 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 09:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Georgia doesn't have that situation in Georgia. They are trying to lock down the state, but they have to fight for all their recruits vs. the other SEC schools, not just the top 10 or so. Of course they have the advantage that they really have no competition in state. Georgia Tech just doesn't compete directly with Georgia.

UGA has no chance of locking down the state. While you are correct in that Tech doesn't offer much of a challenged, that is balanced by the fact that Auburn and Clemson have pinched recruits forever. The Vols success in the 90's was forged from Peach State talent.

(10-21-2019 12:36 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Notre Dame enacted a recruiting policy a few years ago to move away from Florida recruits to Georgia recruits (in particular) and those in the Virginia Tidewater and the Carolinas.

The Florida kids seemed to get into trouble, academically and with the law/school more than other kids.

That is interesting insight TerryD. Adds an additional reason for the ND/UGA series that just wrapped up. Thanks

Over the last several years roughly 20% of Carolina's recruits have come from the state of Georgia.

It's a numbers issue. Georgia gets what, 25 scholarships a year, maybe, depending on their roster? The state likely has 200 kids a year that are worthy of consideration. So locking down the state doesn't mean sewing up all of the recruits, but rather locking down 7 of the top 10 and about half of the second 10, and filling in from there with their own out of state recruiting which for Georgia means the Sunshine state. What Georgia doesn't do as much is recruit South Carolina, Tennessee, and Alabama.

They might get a couple of recruits a year from East Alabama and an occasional pickup in East Tennessee or South Carolina, but most of Georgia's talent is home grown or comes out of Jacksonville over to Tallahassee.

So my point is Georgia's success is best measured by how many of the top 20 recruits in Georgia they land. Who picks up a % of the rest is not really that consequential.

(10-23-2019 10:31 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-23-2019 06:43 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 09:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  Georgia doesn't have that situation in Georgia. They are trying to lock down the state, but they have to fight for all their recruits vs. the other SEC schools, not just the top 10 or so. Of course they have the advantage that they really have no competition in state. Georgia Tech just doesn't compete directly with Georgia.

UGA has no chance of locking down the state. While you are correct in that Tech doesn't offer much of a challenged, that is balanced by the fact that Auburn and Clemson have pinched recruits forever. The Vols success in the 90's was forged from Peach State talent.

(10-21-2019 12:36 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Notre Dame enacted a recruiting policy a few years ago to move away from Florida recruits to Georgia recruits (in particular) and those in the Virginia Tidewater and the Carolinas.

The Florida kids seemed to get into trouble, academically and with the law/school more than other kids.

That is interesting insight TerryD. Adds an additional reason for the ND/UGA series that just wrapped up. Thanks

Over the last several years roughly 20% of Carolina's recruits have come from the state of Georgia.

It's a numbers issue. Georgia gets what, 25 scholarships a year, maybe, depending on their roster? The state likely has 200 kids a year that are worthy of consideration. So locking down the state doesn't mean sewing up all of the recruits, but rather locking down 7 of the top 10 and about half of the second 10, and filling in from there with their own out of state recruiting which for Georgia means the Sunshine state. What Georgia doesn't do as much is recruit South Carolina, Tennessee, and Alabama.

They might get a couple of recruits a year from East Alabama and an occasional pickup in East Tennessee or South Carolina, but most of Georgia's talent is home grown or comes out of Jacksonville over to Tallahassee.

So my point is Georgia's success is best measured by how many of the top 20 recruits in Georgia they land. Who picks up a % of the rest is not really that consequential.

True JR.
The point is that there are a lot of folks that are feeding out of the Georgia trough.