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(10-29-2019 03:34 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 11:15 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I take it you don’t like private Christian schools.


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I could be wrong about his motives, but that seemed to be more of rant against crappy academic schools who want to create the false perception they a legitimate institution by playing division I sports.

No need to bring up Western Kentucky in this thread....
11-07-2019 04:38 PM
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(11-03-2019 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 10:21 PM)Bull Wrote:  Haha.. Liberty is FBS for a couple years... is having success and hangs 63 on someone... and all folks can say is soft schedule. Bias evident. Congrats Liberty!

I have no bias against Liberty. Certainly not religious - I'm a conservative Christian and I respected Jerry Falwell.

But the fact is, they are schlepping their way to a possible bowl with an extremely soft schedule. According to the MC, so far, their six wins have come over the teams ranked 122, 127, 129, 83, unranked, and unranked. And the rankings go out to 130 teams.

IIRC, they have to win one more game to become bowl eligible. One of those is a rematch with Mighty New Mexico State, the #127 team. The others are versus BYU and Virginia.

If they become bowl eligible by beating either of the latter two, I will doff my cap and withdraw my objection. But if they make a bowl via virtue of wins over Buffalo, New Mexico, New Mexico State x2 (!!!), UMass, Maine (FCS) and Hampton (HBCU-FCS), that will be sad.

Not necessarily arguing with you, but from an institutional point of view it makes sense. It's far better to rack up as many wins as they can until they've been recruiting at an FBS level for years and built up the talent level and fan support.

If they aren't going to a major bowl anyway it's better to go 8-4 with a crap schedule and at least fire up the fans than it is to go 4-8 with a tougher schedule and get the coach on the hot seat but get a nod of respect from impartial observers.
11-07-2019 04:41 PM
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RE: Liberty will go to a bowl this year!
(11-07-2019 04:41 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(11-03-2019 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-02-2019 10:21 PM)Bull Wrote:  Haha.. Liberty is FBS for a couple years... is having success and hangs 63 on someone... and all folks can say is soft schedule. Bias evident. Congrats Liberty!

I have no bias against Liberty. Certainly not religious - I'm a conservative Christian and I respected Jerry Falwell.

But the fact is, they are schlepping their way to a possible bowl with an extremely soft schedule. According to the MC, so far, their six wins have come over the teams ranked 122, 127, 129, 83, unranked, and unranked. And the rankings go out to 130 teams.

IIRC, they have to win one more game to become bowl eligible. One of those is a rematch with Mighty New Mexico State, the #127 team. The others are versus BYU and Virginia.

If they become bowl eligible by beating either of the latter two, I will doff my cap and withdraw my objection. But if they make a bowl via virtue of wins over Buffalo, New Mexico, New Mexico State x2 (!!!), UMass, Maine (FCS) and Hampton (HBCU-FCS), that will be sad.

Not necessarily arguing with you, but from an institutional point of view it makes sense. It's far better to rack up as many wins as they can until they've been recruiting at an FBS level for years and built up the talent level and fan support.

If they aren't going to a major bowl anyway it's better to go 8-4 with a crap schedule and at least fire up the fans than it is to go 4-8 with a tougher schedule and get the coach on the hot seat but get a nod of respect from impartial observers.

I actually agree with you - for the reasons you mention, what Liberty is doing in scheduling is smart from their POV.

I just don't want to see it rewarded with a bowl bid that IMO isn't really deserved.
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RE: Liberty will go to a bowl this year!
They can have fun at a bowl, when 70+ teams go, not much of reward.

Just think that the posters acting like this is a big deal or this shows they will be a legit power are jumping the gun.

Liberty had financial advantages in FCS, as well. They made the playoffs ONCE, going 1-1. So in all the years in the weak Big South, they had one appearance.
11-07-2019 07:51 PM
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RE: Liberty will go to a bowl this year!
From a purely football standpoint, 2019 Liberty has got to have about the weakest set of wins of any bowl eligible team ever.

I appreciate what Liberty is doing as far as going to FBS even though no conference would take them but I hope that future bowl eligible Flames teams have better resumes than this one.
11-08-2019 10:46 AM
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RE: Liberty will go to a bowl this year!
They have wins over:

5-4 - Buffalo
5-4 - Hampton (FCS)
2-7 - New Mexico
0-8 - New Mexico State
4-5 - Maine (FCS)
1-8 - UMass

Total: 8-27 FBS (22.8% win percentage) / 17-36 total (32.07% win percentage)

Upcoming games:

4-4 BYU
6-3 UVA
0-8 New Mexico State (second game)


More than likely they will get their 7th and bowl eligible win against 0-11 NMSU for a record against teams that go 8-36.


That is pretty weak sauce.
11-08-2019 11:57 AM
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RE: Liberty will go to a bowl this year!
Brilliant approach in my opinion.

We always encourage irresponsible kids to live within their means. Liberty probably will finish 7-5 then do their best to play someone like Coastal Carolina in a bowl.

If they manage to win a bowl in year 2. I see them doing well in the transfer portal.
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(11-08-2019 05:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Brilliant approach in my opinion.

We always encourage irresponsible kids to live within their means. Liberty probably will finish 7-5 then do their best to play someone like Coastal Carolina in a bowl.

If they manage to win a bowl in year 2. I see them doing well in the transfer portal.


A Liberty vs. Coastal bowl game would probably be enjoyed by both fanbases.

They're probably each other's biggest rival.

https://goccusports.com/news/2018/1/23/C..._2024.aspx

Quote:the all-time series between the two schools stands at seven wins for CCU and seven wins for Liberty. Coastal is 5-2 versus the Flames in Conway, while Liberty is 5-2 against the Chants in Lynchburg.
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RE: Liberty will go to a bowl this year!
(11-08-2019 05:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Brilliant approach in my opinion.

We always encourage irresponsible kids to live within their means. Liberty probably will finish 7-5 then do their best to play someone like Coastal Carolina in a bowl.

If they manage to win a bowl in year 2. I see them doing well in the transfer portal.

Buying multiple games is responsible?
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(11-08-2019 05:54 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 05:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Brilliant approach in my opinion.

We always encourage irresponsible kids to live within their means. Liberty probably will finish 7-5 then do their best to play someone like Coastal Carolina in a bowl.

If they manage to win a bowl in year 2. I see them doing well in the transfer portal.

Buying multiple games is responsible?

If its within your means and has a high ROI? Yes.

I never even heard of Liberty until they started trying to move to FBS. Football is a valuable tool for marketing and keeping alumni spending $$$ on the school.
11-09-2019 02:52 PM
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RE: Liberty will go to a bowl this year!
Not yet...have to beat either Virginia or NMSU to get eligible
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