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RE: FB Class of 2021
(05-10-2020 09:25 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 05:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Back on topic...Corey Kiner commits to LSU tomorrow, who are the high focus guys after that recruitment ends? Zeiqui Lawton and Ky Montgomery seem to be the guys that have us highest of the top ranked guys we're going after, but we're behind some in state schools for both.


Is Kiner to LSU confirmed?

Losing out on a highly ranked local kid is always a negative. But as far as the overall affect on the team is concerned isn't this just about the least concerning position on the UC roster? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but with Doaks, McClelland, and Ford all on the roster next year, UC seems fairly set at this position.
 
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(05-11-2020 07:51 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 09:25 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 05:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Back on topic...Corey Kiner commits to LSU tomorrow, who are the high focus guys after that recruitment ends? Zeiqui Lawton and Ky Montgomery seem to be the guys that have us highest of the top ranked guys we're going after, but we're behind some in state schools for both.


Is Kiner to LSU confirmed?

Losing out on a highly ranked local kid is always a negative. But as far as the overall affect on the team is concerned isn't this just about the least concerning position on the UC roster? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but with Doaks, McClelland, and Ford all on the roster next year, UC seems fairly set at this position.

Doaks is a senior, so when this recruiting class would be coming in there would only be McClelland, Ford, Montogmery, and Wright (who also may end up at Linebacker). McClelland is not a primary back, Ford ran the ball 31 times at Alabama, Montgomery only played in mop-up duty, and many people on the recruiting trail said that Wright projected as a better defensive player than a RB. Not as stocked as one may think, and adding a Top 125 guy wouldve been incredibly nice talent wise, but wouldve been far more important for the momentum the '20 class built locally. Now we've lost out on the top 5 recruits in the Cincinnati area for this year and all of that momentum for the top prospects in the Tri State to consider UC is starting to fade. To be clear, their recruiting in general is off the charts, I'm simply talking within the 275 loop
 
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Kiner will transfer in, when we're ready for him. It's nice of LSU to hold that scholarship for us.
 
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RE: FB Class of 2021
(05-11-2020 08:06 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-11-2020 07:51 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 09:25 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 05:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Back on topic...Corey Kiner commits to LSU tomorrow, who are the high focus guys after that recruitment ends? Zeiqui Lawton and Ky Montgomery seem to be the guys that have us highest of the top ranked guys we're going after, but we're behind some in state schools for both.


Is Kiner to LSU confirmed?

Losing out on a highly ranked local kid is always a negative. But as far as the overall affect on the team is concerned isn't this just about the least concerning position on the UC roster? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but with Doaks, McClelland, and Ford all on the roster next year, UC seems fairly set at this position.

Doaks is a senior, so when this recruiting class would be coming in there would only be McClelland, Ford, Montogmery, and Wright (who also may end up at Linebacker). McClelland is not a primary back, Ford ran the ball 31 times at Alabama, Montgomery only played in mop-up duty, and many people on the recruiting trail said that Wright projected as a better defensive player than a RB. Not as stocked as one may think, and adding a Top 125 guy wouldve been incredibly nice talent wise, but wouldve been far more important for the momentum the '20 class built locally. Now we've lost out on the top 5 recruits in the Cincinnati area for this year and all of that momentum for the top prospects in the Tri State to consider UC is starting to fade. To be clear, their recruiting in general is off the charts, I'm simply talking within the 275 loop
Ford was a four-star member of Alabama’s 2018 recruiting class, rated as the No. 12 all-purpose back in the country. Kiner is rated 4 star No. 10.
 
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(05-11-2020 08:06 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-11-2020 07:51 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 09:25 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 05:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Back on topic...Corey Kiner commits to LSU tomorrow, who are the high focus guys after that recruitment ends? Zeiqui Lawton and Ky Montgomery seem to be the guys that have us highest of the top ranked guys we're going after, but we're behind some in state schools for both.


Is Kiner to LSU confirmed?

Losing out on a highly ranked local kid is always a negative. But as far as the overall affect on the team is concerned isn't this just about the least concerning position on the UC roster? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but with Doaks, McClelland, and Ford all on the roster next year, UC seems fairly set at this position.

Doaks is a senior, so when this recruiting class would be coming in there would only be McClelland, Ford, Montogmery, and Wright (who also may end up at Linebacker). McClelland is not a primary back, Ford ran the ball 31 times at Alabama, Montgomery only played in mop-up duty, and many people on the recruiting trail said that Wright projected as a better defensive player than a RB. Not as stocked as one may think, and adding a Top 125 guy wouldve been incredibly nice talent wise, but wouldve been far more important for the momentum the '20 class built locally. Now we've lost out on the top 5 recruits in the Cincinnati area for this year and all of that momentum for the top prospects in the Tri State to consider UC is starting to fade. To be clear, their recruiting in general is off the charts, I'm simply talking within the 275 loop

I don't think that momentum is starting to fade at all. Kiner is going to last year's national champion and a top 10 program in college football, not Purdue.
 
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(05-11-2020 08:35 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  
(05-11-2020 08:06 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-11-2020 07:51 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 09:25 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 05:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Back on topic...Corey Kiner commits to LSU tomorrow, who are the high focus guys after that recruitment ends? Zeiqui Lawton and Ky Montgomery seem to be the guys that have us highest of the top ranked guys we're going after, but we're behind some in state schools for both.


Is Kiner to LSU confirmed?

Losing out on a highly ranked local kid is always a negative. But as far as the overall affect on the team is concerned isn't this just about the least concerning position on the UC roster? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but with Doaks, McClelland, and Ford all on the roster next year, UC seems fairly set at this position.

Doaks is a senior, so when this recruiting class would be coming in there would only be McClelland, Ford, Montogmery, and Wright (who also may end up at Linebacker). McClelland is not a primary back, Ford ran the ball 31 times at Alabama, Montgomery only played in mop-up duty, and many people on the recruiting trail said that Wright projected as a better defensive player than a RB. Not as stocked as one may think, and adding a Top 125 guy wouldve been incredibly nice talent wise, but wouldve been far more important for the momentum the '20 class built locally. Now we've lost out on the top 5 recruits in the Cincinnati area for this year and all of that momentum for the top prospects in the Tri State to consider UC is starting to fade. To be clear, their recruiting in general is off the charts, I'm simply talking within the 275 loop

I don't think that momentum is starting to fade at all. Kiner is going to last year's national champion and a top 10 program in college football, not Purdue.

Yep, and the other four are going to Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State. The issue isn't where they ended up...it's that we couldn't lock down one of them after taking 3/5 last year. It would've been nice to continue that success locally, as we have been striking out in Ohio on the top guys all year (only 1 member of the Top 25 in Ohio is coming to UC as opposed to 5), but either way the staff is killing it elsewhere. I guess my disappointment is just that last year will likely be the exception not the rule moving forward when it comes to pulling top Ohio recruits.
 
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Most be nice to just be able to saunter in at the last minute, throw in an offer at the last minute, and come back with a commitment. Then again, we've done that with other recruits as well.

Oh well... Onward and upward!
 
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(05-11-2020 08:48 AM)crex043 Wrote:  Most be nice to just be able to saunter in at the last minute, throw in an offer at the last minute, and come back with a commitment. Then again, we've done that with other recruits as well.

Oh well... Onward and upward!

LSU offered him in December of 2019. After us, but not exactly "last minute"

 
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(05-11-2020 08:59 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-11-2020 08:48 AM)crex043 Wrote:  Most be nice to just be able to saunter in at the last minute, throw in an offer at the last minute, and come back with a commitment. Then again, we've done that with other recruits as well.

Oh well... Onward and upward!

LSU offered him in December of 2019. After us, but not exactly "last minute"

I wonder why he moved up his commitment all of a sudden. Did they give him an ultimatum?
 
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(05-11-2020 08:42 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yep, and the other four are going to Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State. The issue isn't where they ended up...it's that we couldn't lock down one of them after taking 3/5 last year. It would've been nice to continue that success locally, as we have been striking out in Ohio on the top guys all year (only 1 member of the Top 25 in Ohio is coming to UC as opposed to 5), but either way the staff is killing it elsewhere. I guess my disappointment is just that last year will likely be the exception not the rule moving forward when it comes to pulling top Ohio recruits.

I don't really see it that way. 2020 was a special scenario where there were several top 25 recruits in the Cincinnati area (10/25 v. 5/25 in 2021 class) and a guy like Prater, who had a deep connection with UC since he was a kid, was spearheading other local players to commit. That isn't really occurring this cycle, which I'm not especially concerned with considering they also locked up guys like Collinsworth, the #5 player in Indiana and Dingle, the #8 player in Kentucky.

Effectively, for this particular cycle, it seems like this staff is trading top-ish local players for top-ish players in surrounding states.
 
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(05-11-2020 09:16 AM)crex043 Wrote:  
(05-11-2020 08:59 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-11-2020 08:48 AM)crex043 Wrote:  Most be nice to just be able to saunter in at the last minute, throw in an offer at the last minute, and come back with a commitment. Then again, we've done that with other recruits as well.

Oh well... Onward and upward!

LSU offered him in December of 2019. After us, but not exactly "last minute"

I wonder why he moved up his commitment all of a sudden. Did they give him an ultimatum?

Maybe, or the new offensive staff really meshed with him (including Kevin Faulk, the former NE Patriot and new RB Coach at LSU) and he didn't feel like keeping on. Also, having a kid who picked LSU over Cincinnati get drafted #1 overall to his hometown NFL team might've had him change his mind too.
 
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(05-11-2020 08:42 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yep, and the other four are going to Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State. The issue isn't where they ended up...it's that we couldn't lock down one of them after taking 3/5 last year. It would've been nice to continue that success locally, as we have been striking out in Ohio on the top guys all year (only 1 member of the Top 25 in Ohio is coming to UC as opposed to 5), but either way the staff is killing it elsewhere. I guess my disappointment is just that last year will likely be the exception not the rule moving forward when it comes to pulling top Ohio recruits.

I don't really see it that way. 2020 was a special scenario where there were several top 25 recruits in the Cincinnati area (10/25 v. 5/25 in 2021 class) and a guy like Prater, who had a deep connection with UC since he was a kid, was spearheading other local players to commit. That isn't really occurring this cycle, which I'm not especially concerned with considering they also locked up guys like Collinsworth, the #5 player in Indiana and Dingle, the #8 player in Kentucky.

Effectively, for this particular cycle, it seems like this staff is trading top-ish local players for top-ish players in surrounding states.

Don't get me wrong, as I stated a few times in there, I'm thrilled with how we're doing overall...just stings a bit to not get any of the top guys in our backyard, regardless of the circumstances.
 
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That’s a bummer. Whispers out of LaSalle since early December was UC was quietly leading Michigan for him. LSU was late to the party. What can you do? Hard to compete with schools that are winning national championships if they say a kid is a priority.
 
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(05-11-2020 09:57 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That’s a bummer. Whispers out of LaSalle since early December was UC was quietly leading Michigan for him. LSU was late to the party. What can you do? Hard to compete with schools that are winning national championships if they say a kid is a priority.

Bolded, so true. But as was pointed out, picking up a pair from KY and IN for 2021 where each ranked in the top eight in their respective states is pretty impressive considering there are five schools in those two states representing the SEC, ACC, B10 and leading independent ND. UC's depth at running back may well have been a factor. It will be interesting to see how well the 'Cats can recruit the position for 2022.
 
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(05-11-2020 09:57 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That’s a bummer. Whispers out of LaSalle since early December was UC was quietly leading Michigan for him. LSU was late to the party. What can you do? Hard to compete with schools that are winning national championships if they say a kid is a priority.

Yep, especially when they just put a kid at your position into the league in the 1st round and the school you're competing against can't even get their RB drafted.
 
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(05-11-2020 09:22 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  
(05-11-2020 08:42 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yep, and the other four are going to Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State. The issue isn't where they ended up...it's that we couldn't lock down one of them after taking 3/5 last year. It would've been nice to continue that success locally, as we have been striking out in Ohio on the top guys all year (only 1 member of the Top 25 in Ohio is coming to UC as opposed to 5), but either way the staff is killing it elsewhere. I guess my disappointment is just that last year will likely be the exception not the rule moving forward when it comes to pulling top Ohio recruits.

I don't really see it that way. 2020 was a special scenario where there were several top 25 recruits in the Cincinnati area (10/25 v. 5/25 in 2021 class) and a guy like Prater, who had a deep connection with UC since he was a kid, was spearheading other local players to commit. That isn't really occurring this cycle, which I'm not especially concerned with considering they also locked up guys like Collinsworth, the #5 player in Indiana and Dingle, the #8 player in Kentucky.

Effectively, for this particular cycle, it seems like this staff is trading top-ish local players for top-ish players in surrounding states.

Collinsworth is a local player. His high school is closer to UC than Hamilton or Lebanon.

People from Franklin County usually have a closer connection to Cincinnati than to their home state, particularly if they're from Brookville or the southeastern part of the county. Sort of like how people from Newport are more likely to be UC fans than people from Independence or Alexandria.
 
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No shame losing a recruit to LSU, it's a top 5 program and probably has the best gameday atmosphere in the entire country. Death Valley is dope. With that said, I'm sure the staff is pushing this one to the final hour...let's see what happens.
 
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I hold out some hope till the last minute as well hahah especially with a kid 10 minutes away ^^
 
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(05-11-2020 10:45 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  I hold out some hope till the last minute as well hahah especially with a kid 10 minutes away ^^

Just announced LSU
 
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(05-11-2020 10:45 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  I hold out some hope till the last minute as well hahah especially with a kid 10 minutes away ^^

Just announced LSU

Still holding out until pen is put to paper. In the meantime, next!

We did seem to get a pretty good one in Myles Montgomery so hopefully he's locked down.
 
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