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I wonder... If Kelly had jumped to Ohio State, would we be saying the same things?

I mean, let's face it, Ohio State could well be a "Dream Job" for a number of people... And it is, hands down, a "no brainer" career jump for a Coach, probably one of the "top five" jobs in the college coaching universe.

If Brian Kelly had taken the OSU job instead of Notre Dame, would we be defending him in the same way?

Notre Dame was at Roger Bacon today to see 2021 RB Corey Kiner

I will cheer the team loudly, but turn my back on Kelly as he did.

(10-18-2019 04:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I wonder... If Kelly had jumped to Ohio State, would we be saying the same things?

I mean, let's face it, Ohio State could well be a "Dream Job" for a number of people... And it is, hands down, a "no brainer" career jump for a Coach, probably one of the "top five" jobs in the college coaching universe.

If Brian Kelly had taken the OSU job instead of Notre Dame, would we be defending him in the same way?

I would defend his decision, yes. If BDF did that, I would defend that decision as well. It would suck, but objectively I get it.

(10-18-2019 06:54 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 04:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I wonder... If Kelly had jumped to Ohio State, would we be saying the same things?

I mean, let's face it, Ohio State could well be a "Dream Job" for a number of people... And it is, hands down, a "no brainer" career jump for a Coach, probably one of the "top five" jobs in the college coaching universe.

If Brian Kelly had taken the OSU job instead of Notre Dame, would we be defending him in the same way?

I would defend his decision, yes. If BDF did that, I would defend that decision as well. It would suck, but objectively I get it.

How can anyone fault a guy going to a top P5 program with a gazillion dollar athletic budget and getting paid $5-6 million per year?

(10-18-2019 07:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 06:54 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 04:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I wonder... If Kelly had jumped to Ohio State, would we be saying the same things?

I mean, let's face it, Ohio State could well be a "Dream Job" for a number of people... And it is, hands down, a "no brainer" career jump for a Coach, probably one of the "top five" jobs in the college coaching universe.

If Brian Kelly had taken the OSU job instead of Notre Dame, would we be defending him in the same way?

I would defend his decision, yes. If BDF did that, I would defend that decision as well. It would suck, but objectively I get it.

How can anyone fault a guy going to a top P5 program with a gazillion dollar athletic budget and getting paid $5-6 million per year?

Especially when we are talking about an Irish Catholic guy at Notre Dame and a guy who has spent nearly his entire life in Columbus going back to OSU. All I'd ask is to do their best to do right by the players they are leaving behind and for when they speak of us in the future, to speak well.

(10-18-2019 03:53 PM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 02:37 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  It was pretty much a no brainer for the guy to go from UC to ND. Can’t blame him for that. You got to strike while the iron is hot. Could have been done with a bit more class, but oh well.

Never blame any coach for leaving for any reason....No matter how much a coach is beloved today, we as fans will turn on him like a pit bull if he has two or three losing seasons in a row... My only kick with Kelly was bailing on his players three weeks before the Sugar Bowl, and taking all his assistants with him. Brian Kelly didn't owe us fans a thing, but he should have done better by his players. That being said, I hope when he is introduced tomorrow he gets a tremendous ovation. He didn't have to come back for this, I hope it turns out like it should.

Sounds like you don't have much of a beef with Kelly then because Kelly didn't take all his assistants with him - in fact it was Jeff Quinn who performed as HC for UC in the Sugar Bowl. You might be getting him confused with Dantonio who did essentially take his entire staff with him to MSU. That's when Brian Kelly stepped in to coach us to a win in our bowl game while also leaving behind around half his staff to coach CMU in their bowl game iirc.

(10-18-2019 04:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I wonder... If Kelly had jumped to Ohio State, would we be saying the same things?

I mean, let's face it, Ohio State could well be a "Dream Job" for a number of people... And it is, hands down, a "no brainer" career jump for a Coach, probably one of the "top five" jobs in the college coaching universe.

If Brian Kelly had taken the OSU job instead of Notre Dame, would we be defending him in the same way?

To be honest there is large part of UC’s fan base that doesn’t hate Ohio State. I want to beat the Buckeyes in every sport but don’t wish them misfortune the same i do to Xavier. My dad is an OSU alum that is now a UC fan but he still follows the Buckeyes. In the legal profession there is quite a few Buckeye/Bearcats or the other way around where one did their undergrad at one school and JD at other. They support both teams. I think you see dual loyalties with those with professional and graduate degree quite a bit.

(10-19-2019 07:19 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 04:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I wonder... If Kelly had jumped to Ohio State, would we be saying the same things?

I mean, let's face it, Ohio State could well be a "Dream Job" for a number of people... And it is, hands down, a "no brainer" career jump for a Coach, probably one of the "top five" jobs in the college coaching universe.

If Brian Kelly had taken the OSU job instead of Notre Dame, would we be defending him in the same way?

To be honest there is large part of UC’s fan base that doesn’t hate Ohio State. I want to beat the Buckeyes in every sport but don’t wish them misfortune the same i do to Xavier. My dad is an OSU alum that is now a UC fan but he still follows the Buckeyes. In the legal profession there is quite a few Buckeye/Bearcats or the other way around where one did their undergrad at one school and JD at other. They support both teams. I think you see dual loyalties with those with professional and graduate degree quite a bit.

1) Who is "we"? Speak for yourself, bub. UC did as much for Brian Kelly as Brian Kelly did for UC. You think ND is ever going to hire Central Michigan's coach? NO WAY. UC was his stepping stone job and he put his foot right on our faces and pulled himself up there.

2) No, there is not a "large" part of the UC fan base that supports the Suckeyes. There may be some, but to say a "large" part is not accurate. Sure there are some bandwagon-ers jumping on now that they are one of the 4-5 teams that can make the playoff every year, but back when O$U was just another face in the college crowd nobody in Cincinnati grew up inherently following them.

(10-19-2019 07:19 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 04:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I wonder... If Kelly had jumped to Ohio State, would we be saying the same things?

I mean, let's face it, Ohio State could well be a "Dream Job" for a number of people... And it is, hands down, a "no brainer" career jump for a Coach, probably one of the "top five" jobs in the college coaching universe.

If Brian Kelly had taken the OSU job instead of Notre Dame, would we be defending him in the same way?

To be honest there is large part of UC’s fan base that doesn’t hate Ohio State. I want to beat the Buckeyes in every sport but don’t wish them misfortune the same i do to Xavier. My dad is an OSU alum that is now a UC fan but he still follows the Buckeyes. In the legal profession there is quite a few Buckeye/Bearcats or the other way around where one did their undergrad at one school and JD at other. They support both teams. I think you see dual loyalties with those with professional and graduate degree quite a bit.

All true. But I also know many Ohio State fans who (kindly) try to temper their condescension when discussing UC. It was another reason I enjoyed UC being in a BCS 6 conference in the old Big East knowing we always had a pathway to a major bowl and had prestige and earnings above other regional schools. The American is truly the best of the rest and we know that. But for most OSU fans, I'm not sure they see or care that a hierarchy exists among the G5 that separates us from MAC schools.

You think ND is ever going to hire Central Michigan's coach?

MAYBE, THEY ONCE HIRED MOELLER'S.

At the time, Moeller was a much better program than Central Michigan is.

(10-18-2019 11:14 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 11:00 AM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  UC was a stepping stone for BK. He didn't care about the university, or the kids. Just himself and his career. I read an article that when the former AD at Tennessee was being asked about the Lane Kiffin hire, he mentioned that he almost hired Brian Kelly from Cincinnati instead. He said Kelly was the only one who came to the interview wearing an orange tie. So people saying Kelly left because it was his dream job - yeah, ND was his dream job, but he was going ANYWHERE that he felt was "up". So thank you for what you did BK, but I'm glad you are gone and yes, I clap each time ND loses...

No one know what happened with TN, except TN's AD, BK and his agent. Many say ND is his dream job, since he said this about the time he was hired at UC. I remember reading an interview where he talked about ND and even BC, since he had a connection to that part of the country.

You’re missing the point. The fact he interviewed at Tennessee shows he would have gone ANYWHERE he felt was “up”. He’s a Northeast Catholic so of course ND was his dream job. My point is people saying he left because it was ND is pointless. He was going SOMEWHERE.

I wonder how Denbrock felt about the guy who fired him being honored today, lol. That being said, based on how his the offense has looked the past 2 weeks I question whether BK was right.

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(10-18-2019 11:05 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 07:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 06:54 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 04:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I wonder... If Kelly had jumped to Ohio State, would we be saying the same things?

I mean, let's face it, Ohio State could well be a "Dream Job" for a number of people... And it is, hands down, a "no brainer" career jump for a Coach, probably one of the "top five" jobs in the college coaching universe.

If Brian Kelly had taken the OSU job instead of Notre Dame, would we be defending him in the same way?

I would defend his decision, yes. If BDF did
that, I would defend that decision as well. It would suck, but objectively I get it.

How can anyone fault a guy going to a top P5 program with a gazillion dollar athletic budget and getting paid $5-6 million per year?

Especially when we are talking about an Irish Catholic guy at Notre Dame and a guy who has spent nearly his entire life in Columbus going back to OSU. All I'd ask is to do their best to do right by the players they are leaving behind and for when they speak of us in the future, to speak well.

To me, BK passes those tests on both counts:

Brian Kelly returns to Nippert Stadium to 'properly thank' his 2009 team

Quote:"I came back for them," he said. "It's all about the players and what they did that year. Their love for playing the game drew me back to be with this team.

"It's been really special to get an opportunity to come back and to thank them. I didn't get that opportunity. It was taken from me. The circumstances were what they were, but to get this opportunity to come back is another reason why it was important for me to come back and properly thank them for what they did that year, but more importantly what they've done to catapult this program and put Cincinnati athletics and football in the position that it is today."

..."You want to leave a legacy of building something that when you leave is better," he said. "You can see by looking around here, there's an energy, there's a buzz, there's great coaching, there's great facilities that allow the student athletes to be the best they can be. You feel great about those things. That's why Cincinnati is having great success."

And I'm not saying I totally buy all of this part, but fwiw he says if Nebraska had beat UT so that UC was in the NC game:

Quote:"I probably wouldn't have been at Notre Dame," Kelly said. "I'd still be here. You guys would be sick and tired of me here at Cincinnati. It's fate and those things happen. I think that is what college football is today. There is one game that can dictate and change, you know, the season and change the trajectory of careers. I think I'm living proof of that."

(10-19-2019 11:05 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  At the time, Moeller was a much better program than Central Michigan is.

I'd need to check the dates but I'm fairly certain Herb Derometty at CMU won several titles while Fuzzy was coaching Moeller!

(10-19-2019 09:57 PM)bearcat72 Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 11:05 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  At the time, Moeller was a much better program than Central Michigan is.

I'd need to check the dates but I'm fairly certain Herb Derometty at CMU won several titles while Fuzzy was coaching Moeller!

I believe Moeller also won several national titles.

best ending to this would be UC-Notre Dame Cotton Bowl that ends with a UC victory

I was indifferent about Kelly pre-game. Talking to some players and fans before it changed my mind, as did Kelly's comments.

Kelly: "the opportunity to thank the players...It was taken away from me."

What BS! He took it away.

Another favorite comment was: "Kelly needed 5 police officers to escort him out of the Banquet? What does that say about Kelly? And what does that say about us?"

(10-19-2019 08:02 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 07:19 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(10-18-2019 04:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I wonder... If Kelly had jumped to Ohio State, would we be saying the same things?

I mean, let's face it, Ohio State could well be a "Dream Job" for a number of people... And it is, hands down, a "no brainer" career jump for a Coach, probably one of the "top five" jobs in the college coaching universe.

If Brian Kelly had taken the OSU job instead of Notre Dame, would we be defending him in the same way?

To be honest there is large part of UC’s fan base that doesn’t hate Ohio State. I want to beat the Buckeyes in every sport but don’t wish them misfortune the same i do to Xavier. My dad is an OSU alum that is now a UC fan but he still follows the Buckeyes. In the legal profession there is quite a few Buckeye/Bearcats or the other way around where one did their undergrad at one school and JD at other. They support both teams. I think you see dual loyalties with those with professional and graduate degree quite a bit.

1) Who is "we"? Speak for yourself, bub. UC did as much for Brian Kelly as Brian Kelly did for UC. You think ND is ever going to hire Central Michigan's coach? NO WAY. UC was his stepping stone job and he put his foot right on our faces and pulled himself up there.

2) No, there is not a "large" part of the UC fan base that supports the Suckeyes. There may be some, but to say a "large" part is not accurate. Sure there are some bandwagon-ers jumping on now that they are one of the 4-5 teams that can make the playoff every year, but back when O$U was just another face in the college crowd nobody in Cincinnati grew up inherently following them.

For chrissake, read his post before responding. He didn't say a large part of the UC fan base supports Ohio State. He simply said doesn't hate. I'm in the same camp. While I never root for Ohio State, and often root against them, there's no hate, particularly when it comes to alumni of the school. I have a number of Ohio State buddies who live in Cincinnati and actively pull for UC. Likewise, I have a few UC buddies whose kids are at Ohio State. They're psyched about the education they're getting, and they enjoy the back-and-forth good-natured needling.