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(11-11-2019 09:07 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  - Joel is chastised for his salary but which one of us wouldn't try and maximize their value. Every coach and probably every poster on this website. Dave you even brag about doubling your salary after leaving Kent. So how is Joel different?
Somewhat like comparing apples and oranges. You’re talking about one individual increasing his salary to market value and comparing it to a guy substantially over market value individually leading a department under funded. So many in the department are underpaid and overworked, coaches not near where their peers are and have fought to get more money in the salary pool for their assistants. Joel, well Joel is out for Joel and only Joel. And while you can say it’s ok for him to maximize his value, I’m just not sure how somebody with a conscience could lead a department so underfunded and not try and squeeze some more out of the same people he squeezes for himself. Then again leading a department and being an actual “leader” are not the same.

(11-11-2019 09:07 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  - and all the budget issues etc. you could write the same article for probably every MAC school. That's the cost of trying to play in a poker game we cant afford. The business model (especially with FBS football) is extremely flawed for schools with our lack of resources. All that isn't Joel's fault and i'm sorry 100k less in his salary isn't going to fix that.
We’re not talking about sitting at the table with the SEC, our peers in the MAC afford their programs better funding than KSU. Having that extra $100k plus the funds set aside to battle lawsuits due to issues he’s botched add up and would make a difference.
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(11-11-2019 09:07 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  I'm not going to pretend to know all the allegations here but IMO:

- a large organization like KSU is NEVER going to bow to the wishes of a Flash MOB and fire Joel. If they went that route it would open Pandora's box for every organization or cause on campus. So IMO this website while interesting at first the more stories that get published with many of them 7-8 years old I don't think its very meaningful and looks like a disgruntled employee trying hard to stay relevant. message has been received by the powers that be. Its just a bad look overall for Kent. I understand and appreciate the groups passion for Kent but at what point is enough enough?

- Joel I'm sure would admit he hasn't been perfect and has made some bad decisions. But what leader in charge of a large organization hasn't?

- Joel is chastised for his salary but which one of us wouldn't try and maximize their value. Every coach and probably every poster on this website. Dave you even brag about doubling your salary after leaving Kent. So how is Joel different?

- and all the budget issues etc. you could write the same article for probably every MAC school. That's the cost of trying to play in a poker game we cant afford. The business model (especially with FBS football) is extremely flawed for schools with our lack of resources. All that isn't Joel's fault and i'm sorry 100k less in his salary isn't going to fix that.

just my .02 cents.

Finally, a post that seems to be based on thought and reason. For myself, I have mixed emotions because I have seen so many short comings in the running of the athletic department. I also find it a problem when I personally have not found anyone with something nice to say about the current AD. However, I recognize my limited exposure although I have about a 40 year record of donating to the athletic department and purchasing multiple season thickets to FB and BB. I have known all of the AD's personally since 1972 except for the current one. That may be his fault, it may be mine. I just hate to see the bad publicity like this from my Alma Mater. My default position is to support the program and hope things get worked out with or without the current AD. Just get it done.
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(11-11-2019 09:07 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  I'm not going to pretend to know all the allegations here but IMO:

- a large organization like KSU is NEVER going to bow to the wishes of a Flash MOB and fire Joel. If they went that route it would open Pandora's box for every organization or cause on campus. So IMO this website while interesting at first the more stories that get published with many of them 7-8 years old I don't think its very meaningful and looks like a disgruntled employee trying hard to stay relevant. message has been received by the powers that be. Its just a bad look overall for Kent. I understand and appreciate the groups passion for Kent but at what point is enough enough?

- Joel I'm sure would admit he hasn't been perfect and has made some bad decisions. But what leader in charge of a large organization hasn't?

- Joel is chastised for his salary but which one of us wouldn't try and maximize their value. Every coach and probably every poster on this website. Dave you even brag about doubling your salary after leaving Kent. So how is Joel different?

- and all the budget issues etc. you could write the same article for probably every MAC school. That's the cost of trying to play in a poker game we cant afford. The business model (especially with FBS football) is extremely flawed for schools with our lack of resources. All that isn't Joel's fault and i'm sorry 100k less in his salary isn't going to fix that.

just my .02 cents.

I would also add this question, to which we all know the answer: How do you think all of this noise is affecting recruiting?
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(11-11-2019 09:07 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  I'm not going to pretend to know all the allegations here but IMO:

- a large organization like KSU is NEVER going to bow to the wishes of a Flash MOB and fire Joel. If they went that route it would open Pandora's box for every organization or cause on campus. So IMO this website while interesting at first the more stories that get published with many of them 7-8 years old I don't think its very meaningful and looks like a disgruntled employee trying hard to stay relevant. message has been received by the powers that be. Its just a bad look overall for Kent. I understand and appreciate the groups passion for Kent but at what point is enough enough?

- Joel I'm sure would admit he hasn't been perfect and has made some bad decisions. But what leader in charge of a large organization hasn't?

- Joel is chastised for his salary but which one of us wouldn't try and maximize their value. Every coach and probably every poster on this website. Dave you even brag about doubling your salary after leaving Kent. So how is Joel different?

- and all the budget issues etc. you could write the same article for probably every MAC school. That's the cost of trying to play in a poker game we cant afford. The business model (especially with FBS football) is extremely flawed for schools with our lack of resources. All that isn't Joel's fault and i'm sorry 100k less in his salary isn't going to fix that.

just my .02 cents.

If you thought I was bragging, then I did a very poor job of communicating my meaning. It wasn't my intention to brag. It was meant as an example of why people leave. Anyone who leaves Kent State is going to come close to doubling his or her salary.

I also don't believe anyone has been chastising Nielsen for his salary. KSU, and Lefton in particular, should be chastised for giving him that salary. Of course he was going to take it when it was given.

The issue is that he does a poor job while making that salary. The only thing that has improved in a decade of his "leadership" is academics... which wasn't a major problem to begin with apart for APR issues with football and men's basketball.

You compared the budget issues to a poker game. If Kent State can't afford to be in the game, then it has to do a better job of maximizing the chip stack it has. I would say KSU should save closer to $200,000 per year on what it pays its AD. That's enough to pay two or three marketing professionals with some chops. We may disagree, but I think that could make a difference.

I actually agree with you, though, that Kent State is not going to fire Nielsen because of what we are doing. It's actually not our goal to "get" him fired. Are hope is to finally get these stories out there and end all of the coverups. My belief is nothing will happen, Nielsen will get a new contract after the 2020-2021 season, and Kent State Athletics will continue to slide.

While some of the stories are 7 or 8 years old, our intent was to show the continuing thread, not for any of us to stay relevant. If you think may part in this is an attempt to stay relevant, you don't know me. I have no interest beyond helping to share all of these stories that have been kept quiet so that people will understand who Nielsen is and why he is awful for Kent State Athletics. The truth is, every employee in Kent State Athletics is a disgruntled employee. If you can find more than two or three people in the department who like and/or respect the job Nielsen is doing, I would be surprised.

I don't want anyone to think I'm someone who wants to stay relevant, so I'll avoid posting on the topic from now on and allow others in the group to keep up the conversation for those who are interested in it.
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(11-11-2019 07:36 PM)DavidCarducci Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 09:07 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  I'm not going to pretend to know all the allegations here but IMO:

- a large organization like KSU is NEVER going to bow to the wishes of a Flash MOB and fire Joel. If they went that route it would open Pandora's box for every organization or cause on campus. So IMO this website while interesting at first the more stories that get published with many of them 7-8 years old I don't think its very meaningful and looks like a disgruntled employee trying hard to stay relevant. message has been received by the powers that be. Its just a bad look overall for Kent. I understand and appreciate the groups passion for Kent but at what point is enough enough?

- Joel I'm sure would admit he hasn't been perfect and has made some bad decisions. But what leader in charge of a large organization hasn't?

- Joel is chastised for his salary but which one of us wouldn't try and maximize their value. Every coach and probably every poster on this website. Dave you even brag about doubling your salary after leaving Kent. So how is Joel different?

- and all the budget issues etc. you could write the same article for probably every MAC school. That's the cost of trying to play in a poker game we cant afford. The business model (especially with FBS football) is extremely flawed for schools with our lack of resources. All that isn't Joel's fault and i'm sorry 100k less in his salary isn't going to fix that.

just my .02 cents.

If you thought I was bragging, then I did a very poor job of communicating my meaning. It wasn't my intention to brag. It was meant as an example of why people leave. Anyone who leaves Kent State is going to come close to doubling his or her salary.

I also don't believe anyone has been chastising Nielsen for his salary. KSU, and Lefton in particular, should be chastised for giving him that salary. Of course he was going to take it when it was given.

The issue is that he does a poor job while making that salary. The only thing that has improved in a decade of his "leadership" is academics... which wasn't a major problem to begin with apart for APR issues with football and men's basketball.

You compared the budget issues to a poker game. If Kent State can't afford to be in the game, then it has to do a better job of maximizing the chip stack it has. I would say KSU should save closer to $200,000 per year on what it pays its AD. That's enough to pay two or three marketing professionals with some chops. We may disagree, but I think that could make a difference.

I actually agree with you, though, that Kent State is not going to fire Nielsen because of what we are doing. It's actually not our goal to "get" him fired. Are hope is to finally get these stories out there and end all of the coverups. My belief is nothing will happen, Nielsen will get a new contract after the 2020-2021 season, and Kent State Athletics will continue to slide.

While some of the stories are 7 or 8 years old, our intent was to show the continuing thread, not for any of us to stay relevant. If you think may part in this is an attempt to stay relevant, you don't know me. I have no interest beyond helping to share all of these stories that have been kept quiet so that people will understand who Nielsen is and why he is awful for Kent State Athletics. The truth is, every employee in Kent State Athletics is a disgruntled employee. If you can find more than two or three people in the department who like and/or respect the job Nielsen is doing, I would be surprised.

I don't want anyone to think I'm someone who wants to stay relevant, so I'll avoid posting on the topic from now on and allow others in the group to keep up the conversation for those who are interested in it.

David - you, just like everyone else here has the right to post. And I think most value your opinion and don't want you to avoid posting on something you are passionate about (especially when it comes to KSU). You know I support Joel but that doesn't mean I disregard/disrespect your opinions and it doesn't change our friendship. I also don't think it's the message, but possibly how it was done. I have a lot more opinions on this, however, I have to step out for a bite to eat -- I am sure this thread will continue!
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(11-11-2019 08:03 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 07:36 PM)DavidCarducci Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 09:07 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  I'm not going to pretend to know all the allegations here but IMO:

- a large organization like KSU is NEVER going to bow to the wishes of a Flash MOB and fire Joel. If they went that route it would open Pandora's box for every organization or cause on campus. So IMO this website while interesting at first the more stories that get published with many of them 7-8 years old I don't think its very meaningful and looks like a disgruntled employee trying hard to stay relevant. message has been received by the powers that be. Its just a bad look overall for Kent. I understand and appreciate the groups passion for Kent but at what point is enough enough?

- Joel I'm sure would admit he hasn't been perfect and has made some bad decisions. But what leader in charge of a large organization hasn't?

- Joel is chastised for his salary but which one of us wouldn't try and maximize their value. Every coach and probably every poster on this website. Dave you even brag about doubling your salary after leaving Kent. So how is Joel different?

- and all the budget issues etc. you could write the same article for probably every MAC school. That's the cost of trying to play in a poker game we cant afford. The business model (especially with FBS football) is extremely flawed for schools with our lack of resources. All that isn't Joel's fault and i'm sorry 100k less in his salary isn't going to fix that.

just my .02 cents.

If you thought I was bragging, then I did a very poor job of communicating my meaning. It wasn't my intention to brag. It was meant as an example of why people leave. Anyone who leaves Kent State is going to come close to doubling his or her salary.

I also don't believe anyone has been chastising Nielsen for his salary. KSU, and Lefton in particular, should be chastised for giving him that salary. Of course he was going to take it when it was given.

The issue is that he does a poor job while making that salary. The only thing that has improved in a decade of his "leadership" is academics... which wasn't a major problem to begin with apart for APR issues with football and men's basketball.

You compared the budget issues to a poker game. If Kent State can't afford to be in the game, then it has to do a better job of maximizing the chip stack it has. I would say KSU should save closer to $200,000 per year on what it pays its AD. That's enough to pay two or three marketing professionals with some chops. We may disagree, but I think that could make a difference.

I actually agree with you, though, that Kent State is not going to fire Nielsen because of what we are doing. It's actually not our goal to "get" him fired. Are hope is to finally get these stories out there and end all of the coverups. My belief is nothing will happen, Nielsen will get a new contract after the 2020-2021 season, and Kent State Athletics will continue to slide.

While some of the stories are 7 or 8 years old, our intent was to show the continuing thread, not for any of us to stay relevant. If you think may part in this is an attempt to stay relevant, you don't know me. I have no interest beyond helping to share all of these stories that have been kept quiet so that people will understand who Nielsen is and why he is awful for Kent State Athletics. The truth is, every employee in Kent State Athletics is a disgruntled employee. If you can find more than two or three people in the department who like and/or respect the job Nielsen is doing, I would be surprised.

I don't want anyone to think I'm someone who wants to stay relevant, so I'll avoid posting on the topic from now on and allow others in the group to keep up the conversation for those who are interested in it.

David - you, just like everyone else here has the right to post. And I think most value your opinion and don't want you to avoid posting on something you are passionate about (especially when it comes to KSU). You know I support Joel but that doesn't mean I disregard/disrespect your opinions and it doesn't change our friendship. I also don't think it's the message, but possibly how it was done. I have a lot more opinions on this, however, I have to step out for a bite to eat -- I am sure this thread will continue!

THE POINT ABOUT MARKETING IS AWORN OUT TOPIC .... STILL, from the outside looking in, just doesn't seem like KSU does a very good job of engaging the local area.

In short, they haven't made 'Kent State' Kent, Ohio's team. If that were to happen it could change a lot of things. 1,000 more fans at a basketball game adds up not only in ticket sales, but concessions and word on the street.

Just driving around the end of the campus near the MAC Center there are a lot of homes/apartments in walking distance.

Just saying.
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(11-11-2019 11:36 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 08:03 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 07:36 PM)DavidCarducci Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 09:07 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  I'm not going to pretend to know all the allegations here but IMO:

- a large organization like KSU is NEVER going to bow to the wishes of a Flash MOB and fire Joel. If they went that route it would open Pandora's box for every organization or cause on campus. So IMO this website while interesting at first the more stories that get published with many of them 7-8 years old I don't think its very meaningful and looks like a disgruntled employee trying hard to stay relevant. message has been received by the powers that be. Its just a bad look overall for Kent. I understand and appreciate the groups passion for Kent but at what point is enough enough?

- Joel I'm sure would admit he hasn't been perfect and has made some bad decisions. But what leader in charge of a large organization hasn't?

- Joel is chastised for his salary but which one of us wouldn't try and maximize their value. Every coach and probably every poster on this website. Dave you even brag about doubling your salary after leaving Kent. So how is Joel different?

- and all the budget issues etc. you could write the same article for probably every MAC school. That's the cost of trying to play in a poker game we cant afford. The business model (especially with FBS football) is extremely flawed for schools with our lack of resources. All that isn't Joel's fault and i'm sorry 100k less in his salary isn't going to fix that.

just my .02 cents.

If you thought I was bragging, then I did a very poor job of communicating my meaning. It wasn't my intention to brag. It was meant as an example of why people leave. Anyone who leaves Kent State is going to come close to doubling his or her salary.

I also don't believe anyone has been chastising Nielsen for his salary. KSU, and Lefton in particular, should be chastised for giving him that salary. Of course he was going to take it when it was given.

The issue is that he does a poor job while making that salary. The only thing that has improved in a decade of his "leadership" is academics... which wasn't a major problem to begin with apart for APR issues with football and men's basketball.

You compared the budget issues to a poker game. If Kent State can't afford to be in the game, then it has to do a better job of maximizing the chip stack it has. I would say KSU should save closer to $200,000 per year on what it pays its AD. That's enough to pay two or three marketing professionals with some chops. We may disagree, but I think that could make a difference.

I actually agree with you, though, that Kent State is not going to fire Nielsen because of what we are doing. It's actually not our goal to "get" him fired. Are hope is to finally get these stories out there and end all of the coverups. My belief is nothing will happen, Nielsen will get a new contract after the 2020-2021 season, and Kent State Athletics will continue to slide.

While some of the stories are 7 or 8 years old, our intent was to show the continuing thread, not for any of us to stay relevant. If you think may part in this is an attempt to stay relevant, you don't know me. I have no interest beyond helping to share all of these stories that have been kept quiet so that people will understand who Nielsen is and why he is awful for Kent State Athletics. The truth is, every employee in Kent State Athletics is a disgruntled employee. If you can find more than two or three people in the department who like and/or respect the job Nielsen is doing, I would be surprised.

I don't want anyone to think I'm someone who wants to stay relevant, so I'll avoid posting on the topic from now on and allow others in the group to keep up the conversation for those who are interested in it.

David - you, just like everyone else here has the right to post. And I think most value your opinion and don't want you to avoid posting on something you are passionate about (especially when it comes to KSU). You know I support Joel but that doesn't mean I disregard/disrespect your opinions and it doesn't change our friendship. I also don't think it's the message, but possibly how it was done. I have a lot more opinions on this, however, I have to step out for a bite to eat -- I am sure this thread will continue!

THE POINT ABOUT MARKETING IS AWORN OUT TOPIC .... STILL, from the outside looking in, just doesn't seem like KSU does a very good job of engaging the local area.

In short, they haven't made 'Kent State' Kent, Ohio's team. If that were to happen it could change a lot of things. 1,000 more fans at a basketball game adds up not only in ticket sales, but concessions and word on the street.

Just driving around the end of the campus near the MAC Center there are a lot of homes/apartments in walking distance.

Just saying.

Totally agree, Terrible marketing to engage alumni AND students. KSU
Has conservatively 100,000 alumni within 30-40 miles. How many are
Engaged. How many attend events? Very very few. KSU and the way
They engage is the cause. You must “friendraise” before you fundraise. They don’t understand that, never did.
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Dave - I agree with Danny. Passionate Kent fans are a dying breed. So cant afford to lose them. I respect your opinions but I just may not agree with the approach. Its all out there so when JN's contract is up for review the powers that be at least have information to consider. But I do worry about negative image and impact on recruiting.

As I stare out my window at November snow JN and wife are big golfers and NE Ohio isn't exactly golf mecca, 2 daughters are already south and one has 2 years at kent left. Is it unreasonable to think a solution to this whole thing is a mutual "retirement" in a couple years?
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(11-12-2019 09:07 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  Dave - I agree with Danny. Passionate Kent fans are a dying breed. So cant afford to lose them. I respect your opinions but I just may not agree with the approach. Its all out there so when JN's contract is up for review the powers that be at least have information to consider. But I do worry about negative image and impact on recruiting.

As I stare out my window at November snow JN and wife are big golfers and NE Ohio isn't exactly golf mecca, 2 daughters are already south and one has 2 years at kent left. Is it unreasonable to think a solution to this whole thing is a mutual "retirement" in a couple years?

Hi Danny and ksu315,

I'm sensitive to your points that you don't like the way in which we have handled the campaign. Our group tried several different tactics before going public the way we did, and we couldn't think of a better way to handle it without the same thing happening as it has for a decade. At its highest levels, Kent State, like so many schools, is about protecting itself and the people who fill the positions at those highest levels.

Many coaches, student-athletes and staff have quietly tried to work within the system to encourage some kind of change and have been ignored. Our hope was that a new president would care, and we were inspired by Diacon's letter following the field hockey/fireworks debacle.

Sadly, it appears this president may be just another cog in a system that works only to continue the status quo.

I don't want to turn people off to the arguments that Nielsen's management of the department is not providing the ROI on his contract and that his ethics and disinterest in his coaches, student-athletes and staff are hurting the department in other ways.

I admit to having a bad habit of hammering on a point when it it is something I believe in, and I don't want to have that hurt a cause that is important to a lot more people than just me.

This doesn't mean I have no intention of posting here . I'll just leave this particular topic alone and leave the discussion to others. There are lots of people in our group who have different takes on why Nielsen is bad for KSU, and it's worth hearing their perspective without me acting as a hammer.

I intend to post as a fan. I truly am not relevant as an up-to-date source of information on Kent State as I don't work for the department anymore and I no longer cover the teams in the media. I'm a fan with no inside information or educated opinions about the current teams. I just love Kent State.
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fair enough.

but I will point out one item I noted that's pretty contradictory. You said its not actually your goal to get joel fired. But the name of the website is removenielsenksu.
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(11-12-2019 03:21 PM)ksu315 Wrote:  fair enough.

but I will point out one item I noted that's pretty contradictory. You said its not actually your goal to get joel fired. But the name of the website is removenielsenksu.

ksu315, I'll try to explain what I meant by that statement.

The best example I can think of at the moment is how many of the politicians who run for president of the United States know they have zero chance of ever becoming president or even becoming the party's nominee. Often they announce their candidacy because they want people to hear a point of view or set of beliefs that is important to them and might not get the attention it deserves.

If people believe those beliefs have value, they could get into the mainstream and even become part of the platform.

"Getting" Nielsen fired isn't a realistic goal. Nothing we do is going to directly lead to that happening. Our initial goal was simply to ask the president to listen to our concerns and hope that learning the history of the problems with KSU Athletics under Nielsen would inform the planned Title IX investigation and any decisions he makes in the future. The president has admitted he had no knowledge of the climate study results prior to our releasing them and he was not involved in decisions regarding athletics prior to taking over the office.

When Diacon wasn't interested in meeting with representatives from our group, our more realistic goal became to finally take this history that has been covered up for most of the last decade and get it out to people who care about KSU Athletics.

There are multiple lawsuits we expect to be filed in the not too distant future and a federal complaint is still to be resolved. As these new stories are released in the media, having the history out there could help move others to action, creating a critical mass that forces KSU to care about what is happening in its athletic department.

At the very least, as you mentioned, it might keep KSU from extending Nielsen's contract again after 2021.
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I know it would be hard to get Joel fired. Maybe with a new administration he will be put on notice to not have any more coverups with Title IX issues. Their ability to raise money has taken a major hit. 250k is conservative. That will hurt that department and it will raise concerns across campus. If they do another departmental study they will find that all of his coaches do not respect or like him. At the worst his contract does not get renewed.

If you are a supporter of Joel I would love to know why? His teams performance has gone down, attendance has gone down, fundraising has gone down. Academics have improved.

WE ARE THE LARGEST UNIVERSITY IN NEO. THE THIRD LARGEST IN THE STATE. WE GRADUTATE MORE DEGREES THAN ANYONE IN NEO. WE CANT GET MORE THAN 5K TO A FOOTBALL GAME?? WE CANT GET MORE THAN 3K TO BASKETBALL GAME?

Dont we deserve better?
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One of the issues about which I can complain is the MAC Center. I subscribe to ESPN+ & am watching a lot (maybe too much) college basketball. I get so frustrated when I see the facilities colleges comparable to KSU in which they are playing. Bradley, Illinois State, Wright State, Duquesne, etc. all appear to be much better venues. They have the appearance of a D1 college basketball venue. I get it that getting a replacement built to replace the MACC is [most likely] not going to happen unless Antonio Gates decides he wants to have a building named after him. I just don't understand why the AD has not made fixing-up the MACC a priority. Heck, by replacing the bleachers with chair-back seating would do wonders. Now that a practice facility is available there is even less reason not to do something to make the MACC a place to where you want to go. It would probably even help with recruiting, especially if the athletics department decided to jump-start the marketing efforts.
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(11-20-2019 08:32 PM)Albert Flasher Wrote:  One of the issues about which I can complain is the MAC Center. I subscribe to ESPN+ & am watching a lot (maybe too much) college basketball. I get so frustrated when I see the facilities colleges comparable to KSU in which they are playing. Bradley, Illinois State, Wright State, Duquesne, etc. all appear to be much better venues. They have the appearance of a D1 college basketball venue. I get it that getting a replacement built to replace the MACC is [most likely] not going to happen unless Antonio Gates decides he wants to have a building named after him. I just don't understand why the AD has not made fixing-up the MACC a priority. Heck, by replacing the bleachers with chair-back seating would do wonders. Now that a practice facility is available there is even less reason not to do something to make the MACC a place to where you want to go. It would probably even help with recruiting, especially if the athletics department decided to jump-start the marketing efforts.

Totally agree.
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There have been a bunch of updates to the MACC recently. The lighting was replaced with led lights, sound system was replaced, the scoreboard above the court was replaced with a video board and the stats moved to the corner boards, they added Tesla coils, flashy light system.

They do need to work on concessions and seating. But to update the seating from benches to chair backs would cause them to lose seating. I think they do need to get rid of the presidential suite/donor area that's behind the glass. It's empty way too often and just looks sad and pointless.
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(11-20-2019 09:24 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  There have been a bunch of updates to the MACC recently. The lighting was replaced with led lights, sound system was replaced, the scoreboard above the court was replaced with a video board and the stats moved to the corner boards, they added Tesla coils, flashy light system.

They do need to work on concessions and seating. But to update the seating from benches to chair backs would cause them to lose seating. I think they do need to get rid of the presidential suite/donor area that's behind the glass. It's empty way too often and just looks sad and pointless.

The points you raise are very much appreciated. But it appears to me that the improvements are being accomplished on a piece-meal basis. Why not just put a master plan together, bite the bullet, & make the MACC into a D1 class venue? I believe that is what the University of Cincinnati did a year or two ago. They relocated to NKU (or somewhere in KY) for their home games while the upgrades were made. KSU has a great architecture school, so why not challenge the students to come up with a MACC improvement plan & give the winners free tuition for a year? Think outside the box.

P.S. Speaking of NKU, I watched NKU defeat Ball State, at Ball State tonight. And saw a familiar face on the NKU bench. :)

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Supposedly in Phase 2 of the Transform KSU initiative which is 2021-2023 there will be more renovations done to the MACC.

https://www.kent.edu/a-transformed-ksu

Here is a list of the current projects that are underway or soon to be underway around the campus.

https://www.kent.edu/universityarchitect...nstruction
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