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Exclamation As I watch MNF and Matthew Stafford, I can't help but think about Brady White
I watch entirely too much football.

I lived in Georgia for 15 years, and saw Matt Stafford's first games as a QB for the bulldogs and was entirely unimpressed. My first game in person in Athens, he turned the ball over 3-4 times against Miss. State, but had a lot of great stats.
Stafford went on to get a lot better, and filled up the passing statistical records at Georgia.
But Stafford is also known as a Stat compiler in the NFL, the best quarterback to never win a playoff game.

That brings me to Brady White. If all goes well, BW will become the greatest statistical QB in Memphis history. He'll lead us in yards and TD passes by the end of 2020. I hope this happens bc that means he'll have stayed healthy and we know Norvell is his ride or die brother.

But then I wonder why we can't get behind BW as a fan base. Last year, Stammers and I led the charge about how he consistently failed against good defenses and piled up huge numbers against cupcakes. We were trying to convince a certain population on this board that Brady was just an average QB, regardless of Wins/losses.

But like the movie 12 Angry Men, even though I led the charge against him in the past, I'd like to switch my vote and rally behind our Memphis QB regardless of what happens now.

I went to the South Alabama game in person, took my girlfriend and 4 neighbors that live in LA. Brady had a great statistical game, but he overthrew several receivers and killed some drives. We won. I decided not to post any analysis bc I felt like it would be piling on....

My gf is an Auburn season ticket holder. I watched Bo Nix throw 3 interceptions against Florida. This week I watched Jake Fromm turn it over 4 times against SC. Nix & Fromm still have the support of their fan bases.
I wondered, what's the difference here?

It's because when it matters, against the best teams in conference, has BW played a mistake free game? Does he have to? He just needs one game against a good defense where he doesn't turn it over or get rattled.

It reminds me of Peyton Manning. Most forget he carried a monkey on his back for years because he couldn't win the big game.(college and pro-I tore the goalpost down with half of ya'll)
He's an icon now with tons of accolades, but for the longest time, he got a lot of criticism.

Maybe it's the modern era, where every mistake is amplified....

It's also unfair to compare BW to Stafford, or Nix, or Fromm. He's not that caliber. Like other's have said, he's an average to above average G5 QB.
But with what he went through after the 1st Quarter, to throw for 375 yards, I really think he's turned the corner. I think this team, his coaches, and this fan base will rally behind him. I'm not saying we'll go undefeated or that the backup shouldn't get a single series in future games. And all of you know that this team will go only as far as Brady goes....

Here's to hoping he leads us in all-time career passing statistics.
But there's a chance he could also lead us in career wins.
(I'll leave it up to the stats guys to validate this)

I went to every home game when Winprine & Matthews were setting records. And like most fans I have a tendency to look backwards through rose tinted glasses.

BW is about halfway through his career at Memphis. His legacy is yet to be written. Maybe I'm a fool for having too high expectations. But there's a chance that he could be remembered for his wins more than his stats....

(If Navy keeps winning, that may become a bigger win than most expected at the time)

(Also, I can't think of specific names, but what are some high stat QBs from Hawaii or Texas Tech or other similar teams that never really won any big games?)
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(10-14-2019 10:11 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  I watch entirely too much football.

I lived in Georgia for 15 years, and saw Matt Stafford's first games as a QB for the bulldogs and was entirely unimpressed. My first game in person in Athens, he turned the ball over 3-4 times against Miss. State, but had a lot of great stats.
Stafford went on to get a lot better, and filled up the passing statistical records at Georgia.
But Stafford is also known as a Stat compiler in the NFL, the best quarterback to never win a playoff game.

That brings me to Brady White. If all goes well, BW will become the greatest statistical QB in Memphis history. He'll lead us in yards and TD passes by the end of 2020. I hope this happens bc that means he'll have stayed healthy and we know Norvell is his ride or die brother.

But then I wonder why we can't get behind BW as a fan base. Last year, Stammers and I led the charge about how he consistently failed against good defenses and piled up huge numbers against cupcakes. We were trying to convince a certain population on this board that Brady was just an average QB, regardless of Wins/losses.

But like the movie 12 Angry Men, even though I led the charge against him in the past, I'd like to switch my vote and rally behind our Memphis QB regardless of what happens now.

I went to the South Alabama game in person, took my girlfriend and 4 neighbors that live in LA. Brady had a great statistical game, but he overthrew several receivers and killed some drives. We won. I decided not to post any analysis bc I felt like it would be piling on....

My gf is an Auburn season ticket holder. I watched Bo Nix throw 3 interceptions against Florida. This week I watched Jake Fromm turn it over 4 times against SC. Nix & Fromm still have the support of their fan bases.
I wondered, what's the difference here?

It's because when it matters, against the best teams in conference, has BW played a mistake free game? Does he have to? He just needs one game against a good defense where he doesn't turn it over or get rattled.

It reminds me of Peyton Manning. Most forget he carried a monkey on his back for years because he couldn't win the big game.(college and pro-I tore the goalpost down with half of ya'll)
He's an icon now with tons of accolades, but for the longest time, he got a lot of criticism.

Maybe it's the modern era, where every mistake is amplified....

It's also unfair to compare BW to Stafford, or Nix, or Fromm. He's not that caliber. Like other's have said, he's an average to above average G5 QB.
But with what he went through after the 1st Quarter, to throw for 375 yards, I really think he's turned the corner. I think this team, his coaches, and this fan base will rally behind him. I'm not saying we'll go undefeated or that the backup shouldn't get a single series in future games. And all of you know that this team will go only as far as Brady goes....

Here's to hoping he leads us in all-time career passing statistics.
But there's a chance he could also lead us in career wins.
(I'll leave it up to the stats guys to validate this)

I went to every home game when Winprine & Matthews were setting records. And like most fans I have a tendency to look backwards through rose tinted glasses.

BW is about halfway through his career at Memphis. His legacy is yet to be written. Maybe I'm a fool for having too high expectations. But there's a chance that he could be remembered for his wins more than his stats....

(If Navy keeps winning, that may become a bigger win than most expected at the time)

(Also, I can't think of specific names, but what are some high stat QBs from Hawaii or Texas Tech or other similar teams that never really won any big games?)

1st one that comes to mind is Patrick Mahomes
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(10-14-2019 10:21 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 10:11 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  I watch entirely too much football.

I lived in Georgia for 15 years, and saw Matt Stafford's first games as a QB for the bulldogs and was entirely unimpressed. My first game in person in Athens, he turned the ball over 3-4 times against Miss. State, but had a lot of great stats.
Stafford went on to get a lot better, and filled up the passing statistical records at Georgia.
But Stafford is also known as a Stat compiler in the NFL, the best quarterback to never win a playoff game.

That brings me to Brady White. If all goes well, BW will become the greatest statistical QB in Memphis history. He'll lead us in yards and TD passes by the end of 2020. I hope this happens bc that means he'll have stayed healthy and we know Norvell is his ride or die brother.

But then I wonder why we can't get behind BW as a fan base. Last year, Stammers and I led the charge about how he consistently failed against good defenses and piled up huge numbers against cupcakes. We were trying to convince a certain population on this board that Brady was just an average QB, regardless of Wins/losses.

But like the movie 12 Angry Men, even though I led the charge against him in the past, I'd like to switch my vote and rally behind our Memphis QB regardless of what happens now.

I went to the South Alabama game in person, took my girlfriend and 4 neighbors that live in LA. Brady had a great statistical game, but he overthrew several receivers and killed some drives. We won. I decided not to post any analysis bc I felt like it would be piling on....

My gf is an Auburn season ticket holder. I watched Bo Nix throw 3 interceptions against Florida. This week I watched Jake Fromm turn it over 4 times against SC. Nix & Fromm still have the support of their fan bases.
I wondered, what's the difference here?

It's because when it matters, against the best teams in conference, has BW played a mistake free game? Does he have to? He just needs one game against a good defense where he doesn't turn it over or get rattled.

It reminds me of Peyton Manning. Most forget he carried a monkey on his back for years because he couldn't win the big game.(college and pro-I tore the goalpost down with half of ya'll)
He's an icon now with tons of accolades, but for the longest time, he got a lot of criticism.

Maybe it's the modern era, where every mistake is amplified....

It's also unfair to compare BW to Stafford, or Nix, or Fromm. He's not that caliber. Like other's have said, he's an average to above average G5 QB.
But with what he went through after the 1st Quarter, to throw for 375 yards, I really think he's turned the corner. I think this team, his coaches, and this fan base will rally behind him. I'm not saying we'll go undefeated or that the backup shouldn't get a single series in future games. And all of you know that this team will go only as far as Brady goes....

Here's to hoping he leads us in all-time career passing statistics.
But there's a chance he could also lead us in career wins.
(I'll leave it up to the stats guys to validate this)

I went to every home game when Winprine & Matthews were setting records. And like most fans I have a tendency to look backwards through rose tinted glasses.

BW is about halfway through his career at Memphis. His legacy is yet to be written. Maybe I'm a fool for having too high expectations. But there's a chance that he could be remembered for his wins more than his stats....

(If Navy keeps winning, that may become a bigger win than most expected at the time)

(Also, I can't think of specific names, but what are some high stat QBs from Hawaii or Texas Tech or other similar teams that never really won any big games?)

1st one that comes to mind is Patrick Mahomes

Ha, ha, that's kindof where I was going. (wink, wink)03-shhhh
Graham Harrell leads Texas Tech in all-time yards & TDs. Current Offensive Coordinator at USC (Possible next interim coach if Clay Helton gets fired midseason - a guy we need to keep tabs on btw)
We could very well see Dr. BW becoming an Offensive Coordinator somewhere eventually. He's super cerebral.
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And the Lions got homered tonight every bit as bad as we did Saturday. Apparently, bad officiating even permeates the NFL.
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(10-14-2019 10:46 PM)UofMark Wrote:  And the Lions got homered tonight every bit as bad as we did Saturday. Apparently, bad officiating even permeates the NFL.

Yep, I started writing this post when the Lions were up and still knew in my heart exactly how this game was going to end. I've seen it too many times before. The final was really never in doubt. The NFL loves Rodgers. Significant to some. That was a terrible call.

I appreciated Norvell's attitude in the press conference today. A game is never won or lost on a single play. There were 15 plays that could have changed the outcome of our game. That's a great philosophy. I'm glad we have a 38 yr old smart motivational coach.
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RE: As I watch MNF and Matthew Stafford, I can't help but think about Brady White
(10-14-2019 10:11 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  I watch entirely too much football.

I lived in Georgia for 15 years, and saw Matt Stafford's first games as a QB for the bulldogs and was entirely unimpressed. My first game in person in Athens, he turned the ball over 3-4 times against Miss. State, but had a lot of great stats.
Stafford went on to get a lot better, and filled up the passing statistical records at Georgia.
But Stafford is also known as a Stat compiler in the NFL, the best quarterback to never win a playoff game.

That brings me to Brady White. If all goes well, BW will become the greatest statistical QB in Memphis history. He'll lead us in yards and TD passes by the end of 2020. I hope this happens bc that means he'll have stayed healthy and we know Norvell is his ride or die brother.

But then I wonder why we can't get behind BW as a fan base. Last year, Stammers and I led the charge about how he consistently failed against good defenses and piled up huge numbers against cupcakes. We were trying to convince a certain population on this board that Brady was just an average QB, regardless of Wins/losses.

But like the movie 12 Angry Men, even though I led the charge against him in the past, I'd like to switch my vote and rally behind our Memphis QB regardless of what happens now.

I went to the South Alabama game in person, took my girlfriend and 4 neighbors that live in LA. Brady had a great statistical game, but he overthrew several receivers and killed some drives. We won. I decided not to post any analysis bc I felt like it would be piling on....

My gf is an Auburn season ticket holder. I watched Bo Nix throw 3 interceptions against Florida. This week I watched Jake Fromm turn it over 4 times against SC. Nix & Fromm still have the support of their fan bases.
I wondered, what's the difference here?

It's because when it matters, against the best teams in conference, has BW played a mistake free game? Does he have to? He just needs one game against a good defense where he doesn't turn it over or get rattled.

It reminds me of Peyton Manning. Most forget he carried a monkey on his back for years because he couldn't win the big game.(college and pro-I tore the goalpost down with half of ya'll)
He's an icon now with tons of accolades, but for the longest time, he got a lot of criticism.

Maybe it's the modern era, where every mistake is amplified....

It's also unfair to compare BW to Stafford, or Nix, or Fromm. He's not that caliber. Like other's have said, he's an average to above average G5 QB.
But with what he went through after the 1st Quarter, to throw for 375 yards, I really think he's turned the corner. I think this team, his coaches, and this fan base will rally behind him. I'm not saying we'll go undefeated or that the backup shouldn't get a single series in future games. And all of you know that this team will go only as far as Brady goes....

Here's to hoping he leads us in all-time career passing statistics.
But there's a chance he could also lead us in career wins.
(I'll leave it up to the stats guys to validate this)

I went to every home game when Winprine & Matthews were setting records. And like most fans I have a tendency to look backwards through rose tinted glasses.

BW is about halfway through his career at Memphis. His legacy is yet to be written. Maybe I'm a fool for having too high expectations. But there's a chance that he could be remembered for his wins more than his stats....

(If Navy keeps winning, that may become a bigger win than most expected at the time)

(Also, I can't think of specific names, but what are some high stat QBs from Hawaii or Texas Tech or other similar teams that never really won any big games?)

Bo Nix is trash.

I watched the PSU/Iowa game and saw two top 25 P5 teams that I wouldn't trade Brady for.

And I watched UTk and MSU. Again, QB's that I wouldn't want.

From P5 schools.

Brady literally gets judged on EVERY pass he makes or misses. I get that int vs. Temple was HORRIBLE. But few QB's right now get judged so harshly as Brady does (by of all fan bases) Memphis.
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(10-14-2019 11:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 10:11 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  I watch entirely too much football.

I lived in Georgia for 15 years, and saw Matt Stafford's first games as a QB for the bulldogs and was entirely unimpressed. My first game in person in Athens, he turned the ball over 3-4 times against Miss. State, but had a lot of great stats.
Stafford went on to get a lot better, and filled up the passing statistical records at Georgia.
But Stafford is also known as a Stat compiler in the NFL, the best quarterback to never win a playoff game.

That brings me to Brady White. If all goes well, BW will become the greatest statistical QB in Memphis history. He'll lead us in yards and TD passes by the end of 2020. I hope this happens bc that means he'll have stayed healthy and we know Norvell is his ride or die brother.

But then I wonder why we can't get behind BW as a fan base. Last year, Stammers and I led the charge about how he consistently failed against good defenses and piled up huge numbers against cupcakes. We were trying to convince a certain population on this board that Brady was just an average QB, regardless of Wins/losses.

But like the movie 12 Angry Men, even though I led the charge against him in the past, I'd like to switch my vote and rally behind our Memphis QB regardless of what happens now.

I went to the South Alabama game in person, took my girlfriend and 4 neighbors that live in LA. Brady had a great statistical game, but he overthrew several receivers and killed some drives. We won. I decided not to post any analysis bc I felt like it would be piling on....

My gf is an Auburn season ticket holder. I watched Bo Nix throw 3 interceptions against Florida. This week I watched Jake Fromm turn it over 4 times against SC. Nix & Fromm still have the support of their fan bases.
I wondered, what's the difference here?

It's because when it matters, against the best teams in conference, has BW played a mistake free game? Does he have to? He just needs one game against a good defense where he doesn't turn it over or get rattled.

It reminds me of Peyton Manning. Most forget he carried a monkey on his back for years because he couldn't win the big game.(college and pro-I tore the goalpost down with half of ya'll)
He's an icon now with tons of accolades, but for the longest time, he got a lot of criticism.

Maybe it's the modern era, where every mistake is amplified....

It's also unfair to compare BW to Stafford, or Nix, or Fromm. He's not that caliber. Like other's have said, he's an average to above average G5 QB.
But with what he went through after the 1st Quarter, to throw for 375 yards, I really think he's turned the corner. I think this team, his coaches, and this fan base will rally behind him. I'm not saying we'll go undefeated or that the backup shouldn't get a single series in future games. And all of you know that this team will go only as far as Brady goes....

Here's to hoping he leads us in all-time career passing statistics.
But there's a chance he could also lead us in career wins.
(I'll leave it up to the stats guys to validate this)

I went to every home game when Winprine & Matthews were setting records. And like most fans I have a tendency to look backwards through rose tinted glasses.

BW is about halfway through his career at Memphis. His legacy is yet to be written. Maybe I'm a fool for having too high expectations. But there's a chance that he could be remembered for his wins more than his stats....

(If Navy keeps winning, that may become a bigger win than most expected at the time)

(Also, I can't think of specific names, but what are some high stat QBs from Hawaii or Texas Tech or other similar teams that never really won any big games?)

Bo Nix is trash.

I watched the PSU/Iowa game and saw two top 25 P5 teams that I wouldn't trade Brady for.

And I watched UTk and MSU. Again, QB's that I wouldn't want.

From P5 schools.

Brady literally gets judged on EVERY pass he makes or misses. I get that int vs. Temple was HORRIBLE. But few QB's right now get judged so harshly as Brady does (by of all fan bases) Memphis.

I'd agree with that. I guess what I'm trying to say is that in aggressively trying to prove to others that Brady wasn't a great Quarterback, I forgot to say that he's a good quarterback for his skill set.

This is my mea culpa. I apologize.
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Except the Bo Nix comment. I'm probably biased because I was there at Auburn in person watching him throw for 335 yards, 2 TDs and 75% against Moo State. And apparently Moo State might be trash now that they lost to UT. But Still, Nix has potential. (Seth Williams is an All-American WR though but won't get the press due to the WR corps at Alabama/LSU)

But Auburn fans loves Bo Nix right now even if he is only completing 54% of his passes. Primarily bc they have 5 wins. He'll probably lose to LSU/Alabama/GA and they'll hammer him too, but

Why do they love him right now? Because he came back to beat Oregon on a tremendously courageous throw in the 4th Quarter under a lot of pressure. For Nix, it's his season defining moment so far and it happened in his first collegiate game.
Oh, and Oregon is third nationally in points allowed per game (8.7), fourth in yards allowed per play (3.94) and eighth in yards allowed per game (267.7). i.e. A very tough defense.

Dr. BW needs that moment this season. For a 5th Year Junior, he only has 2 yrs experience. Maybe he'll get it.
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And to keep the Auburn comments Tiger related.

It's funny how similar Malzahn and Norvell are....I believe Malzahn hired former Memphis OC Kenning Dillingham because he can't line up and go toe to toe with the Defensive lines of Alabama/LSU/Georgia.
Dillingham's value is watching how the defense reacts to formations, early play calls, RPOs, and then trying to beat them with with jet sweeps, reverses, gimmicks, reads, etc. Auburn also just lost their bruising running back Whitlow to 4-6 weeks to a lower leg injury. (sound familiar?)

Malzahn is playing Nix for the long haul. Nix will better next year, and theoretically the year after that if Malzahn can hang on to his job. Nix won't win the SEC West on the strength of his arm or accuracy but at least he does have some mobility. And hopefully with maturity and experience Nix will increase his accuracy and make less mistakes.
Part of me thinks Norvell is expecting BW to take similar lumps, make mistakes, and continue trusting BW no matter what hoping these trials by fire will make him better by the end of the season and next year.
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(10-14-2019 11:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 10:11 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  I watch entirely too much football.

I lived in Georgia for 15 years, and saw Matt Stafford's first games as a QB for the bulldogs and was entirely unimpressed. My first game in person in Athens, he turned the ball over 3-4 times against Miss. State, but had a lot of great stats.
Stafford went on to get a lot better, and filled up the passing statistical records at Georgia.
But Stafford is also known as a Stat compiler in the NFL, the best quarterback to never win a playoff game.

That brings me to Brady White. If all goes well, BW will become the greatest statistical QB in Memphis history. He'll lead us in yards and TD passes by the end of 2020. I hope this happens bc that means he'll have stayed healthy and we know Norvell is his ride or die brother.

But then I wonder why we can't get behind BW as a fan base. Last year, Stammers and I led the charge about how he consistently failed against good defenses and piled up huge numbers against cupcakes. We were trying to convince a certain population on this board that Brady was just an average QB, regardless of Wins/losses.

But like the movie 12 Angry Men, even though I led the charge against him in the past, I'd like to switch my vote and rally behind our Memphis QB regardless of what happens now.

I went to the South Alabama game in person, took my girlfriend and 4 neighbors that live in LA. Brady had a great statistical game, but he overthrew several receivers and killed some drives. We won. I decided not to post any analysis bc I felt like it would be piling on....

My gf is an Auburn season ticket holder. I watched Bo Nix throw 3 interceptions against Florida. This week I watched Jake Fromm turn it over 4 times against SC. Nix & Fromm still have the support of their fan bases.
I wondered, what's the difference here?

It's because when it matters, against the best teams in conference, has BW played a mistake free game? Does he have to? He just needs one game against a good defense where he doesn't turn it over or get rattled.

It reminds me of Peyton Manning. Most forget he carried a monkey on his back for years because he couldn't win the big game.(college and pro-I tore the goalpost down with half of ya'll)
He's an icon now with tons of accolades, but for the longest time, he got a lot of criticism.

Maybe it's the modern era, where every mistake is amplified....

It's also unfair to compare BW to Stafford, or Nix, or Fromm. He's not that caliber. Like other's have said, he's an average to above average G5 QB.
But with what he went through after the 1st Quarter, to throw for 375 yards, I really think he's turned the corner. I think this team, his coaches, and this fan base will rally behind him. I'm not saying we'll go undefeated or that the backup shouldn't get a single series in future games. And all of you know that this team will go only as far as Brady goes....

Here's to hoping he leads us in all-time career passing statistics.
But there's a chance he could also lead us in career wins.
(I'll leave it up to the stats guys to validate this)

I went to every home game when Winprine & Matthews were setting records. And like most fans I have a tendency to look backwards through rose tinted glasses.

BW is about halfway through his career at Memphis. His legacy is yet to be written. Maybe I'm a fool for having too high expectations. But there's a chance that he could be remembered for his wins more than his stats....

(If Navy keeps winning, that may become a bigger win than most expected at the time)

(Also, I can't think of specific names, but what are some high stat QBs from Hawaii or Texas Tech or other similar teams that never really won any big games?)

Bo Nix is trash.

I watched the PSU/Iowa game and saw two top 25 P5 teams that I wouldn't trade Brady for.

And I watched UTk and MSU. Again, QB's that I wouldn't want.

From P5 schools.

Brady literally gets judged on EVERY pass he makes or misses. I get that int vs. Temple was HORRIBLE. But few QB's right now get judged so harshly as Brady does (by of all fan bases) Memphis.

It isn't that at all. When he refuses to run or runs and gets caught when he should easily be able to get a first down, he gets judged on that.

When he gets "tackled" by a hand brushing up against his helmet, or a defender lunging at him with one arm, or by not being able to sidestep a rush and then have plenty of time to throw, he gets judged on that.

He gets judged because he can't throw the ball across the field, so defenders don't really have to defend receivers on the wide side.

Most of us don't see it as Brady throwing a bad interception or fumbling on a rush; it isn't one or two plays. It is a dozen plays every game that would be much different if he had a stronger arm, wasn't so slow, and wasn't so easy to take down.

If he is 16 of 21 for 215 yards, but sprinkled in between he takes 3 sacks, doesn't run for a first down when the field is wide open twice, or runs and gets caught because he is the slowest player on the field a couple of times; that adds up to 10-20 less points per game, purely because he is so horrible in those areas.

- IF he was as hard to bring down as Ferguson
- IF he was as fast as Ferguson or Wimprine
- IF his arm was as strong as Hankins' arm
- IF he was as mobile as Wimprine

All of the above quarterbacks were below average in those categories. If White was even below average in those categories, we would be scoring a lot more points.
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RE: As I watch MNF and Matthew Stafford, I can't help but think about Brady White
I would bet this is the same crew that said that Basketball team was better without Jeremiah Martin after he was hurt 2 seasons ago.

We all know how that turned out.

Brady is not a world beater but he is also an above average QB...People aren't giving the kid a fair shot anymore.

The kid made 2 huge mistakes against a good defense (Very True)...But he still put up 375 yards against a good defense.
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(10-15-2019 03:37 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  I would bet this is the same crew that said that Basketball team was better without Jeremiah Martin after he was hurt 2 seasons ago.

We all know how that turned out.

Brady is not a world beater but he is also an above average QB...People aren't giving the kid a fair shot anymore.

The kid made 2 huge mistakes against a good defense (Very True)...But he still put up 375 yards against a good defense.

3 mistakes IMO
Thanks to our D, White had a chance to bring the team back. He ended up with a good game and hopefully keeps this up rest of season. As for Temple being a good D, it’s debatable. A 2-4 Buffalo team almost put up 40 against them.
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(10-15-2019 03:46 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(10-15-2019 03:37 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  I would bet this is the same crew that said that Basketball team was better without Jeremiah Martin after he was hurt 2 seasons ago.

We all know how that turned out.

Brady is not a world beater but he is also an above average QB...People aren't giving the kid a fair shot anymore.

The kid made 2 huge mistakes against a good defense (Very True)...But he still put up 375 yards against a good defense.

3 mistakes IMO
Thanks to our D, White had a chance to bring the team back. He ended up with a good game and hopefully keeps this up rest of season. As for Temple being a good D, it’s debatable. A 2-4 Buffalo team almost put up 40 against them.

The Buffalo vs. Temple game was worse than our game against Temple as far as turnovers go.

Buffalo had 3 TD drives of 19, 23 and 7 yards.
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The problem with Brady White is most QBs that make the mistakes he does make spectacular plays also so you take the bad with the good, with White you have to take the bad but on the upside you only get the OK.
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02-13-banana I would rather see BW only go three for twenty on passes and all three were for touchdowns and we win 21 to whatever as opposed to him going 15 of twenty and we lose. Forget the style points just win the games.
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(10-15-2019 12:19 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  Except the Bo Nix comment. I'm probably biased because I was there at Auburn in person watching him throw for 335 yards, 2 TDs and 75% against Moo State. And apparently Moo State might be trash now that they lost to UT. But Still, Nix has potential. (Seth Williams is an All-American WR though but won't get the press due to the WR corps at Alabama/LSU)

But Auburn fans loves Bo Nix right now even if he is only completing 54% of his passes. Primarily bc they have 5 wins. He'll probably lose to LSU/Alabama/GA and they'll hammer him too, but

Why do they love him right now? Because he came back to beat Oregon on a tremendously courageous throw in the 4th Quarter under a lot of pressure. For Nix, it's his season defining moment so far and it happened in his first collegiate game.
Oh, and Oregon is third nationally in points allowed per game (8.7), fourth in yards allowed per play (3.94) and eighth in yards allowed per game (267.7). i.e. A very tough defense.

Dr. BW needs that moment this season. For a 5th Year Junior, he only has 2 yrs experience. Maybe he'll get it.

Word in Moo State country is Morehead will be fired after this season depending on the outcome of the Egg Bowl. And Lord, what a crappy game that's shaping up to be.
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(10-14-2019 11:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Bo Nix is trash.

I watched the PSU/Iowa game and saw two top 25 P5 teams that I wouldn't trade Brady for.

And I watched UTk and MSU. Again, QB's that I wouldn't want.

From P5 schools.

Brady literally gets judged on EVERY pass he makes or misses. I get that int vs. Temple was HORRIBLE. But few QB's right now get judged so harshly as Brady does (by of all fan bases) Memphis.

This.

Anyone who thinks BW is an awful college QB needs to watch more college football. You can find dozens and dozens worse than him on any given Saturday.

He had an awful game vs Temple with the turnovers but also threw for almost 400 yards and had his team driving for a potential game winning FG if not for complete incompetence by this bozo league's refs/ review booth. Might have had a 2nd chance at a game winning drive had we not burned a timeout on the play before the overturned catch. Saving that timeout would left us about 45 more seconds on that final drive. But whatever. Light Tulane up this week.
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Tulane may be the best in the west. Not sure we will light them up but we can win with effort & minimized mistakes.
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(10-15-2019 08:36 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Tulane may be the best in the west. Not sure we will light them up but we can win with effort & minimized mistakes.

That's the key to the game and I think key to our whole season. Above all I have to believe that's why Norvell sticks with BW. He usually takes zero chances and while that can be frustrating for fans it helps our "run first" offense. That was the one of the weirder things about the Temple game is we seemed to become more "pass first" and for the first time I can remember Brady pulled the ball on a read play and promptly fumbled it. Not sure if Temple was forcing us to throw (would've been my game plan for us) or Norvell was trying something else out. Now that we are back at 100% at RB with Taylor back I have to think we are going to see a lot more ground and pound.
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(10-14-2019 11:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Bo Nix is trash.

I watched the PSU/Iowa game and saw two top 25 P5 teams that I wouldn't trade Brady for.

And I watched UTk and MSU. Again, QB's that I wouldn't want.

From P5 schools.

Brady literally gets judged on EVERY pass he makes or misses. I get that int vs. Temple was HORRIBLE. But few QB's right now get judged so harshly as Brady does (by of all fan bases) Memphis.

Agree there are truly bad qb's in P5. And I agree with all of your examples.
At the same time, there are good qb's in G5 (we've seen a couple).

The problem I have with BW is that he's no longer protecting the ball. He didn't make the physical progress this summer that I had hoped. And now he's trying to make plays that he can't.

I can take the weak arm - as long as he puts the ball where it should be. I can take the slow running - as long as he makes the right reads. But I can't take how he crumbles with one hand on him in the backfield. And I sure can't take the fumbles.

He is credited with 22 carries on the year. Of course, some of those are sacks. So his rushing yardage is -42 yards. His long rush of the year is 8 yards. That is pathetic. But I can accept it because we have so many other true playmakers.

But on those 22 carries, he has fumbled 5 times. 25% of the time he gets tackled with the ball, he coughs it up. That is crazy! And unacceptable! And we haven't even had a rain game yet.

You can't have your qb fumbling once a game. He can turn it around, but it has to start this weekend.
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