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https://nypost.com/2019/10/12/goodwin-ma...t-zealots/

Good piece. Thought it deserved its own thread. Doesn't sugarcoat President Trump. Tells the truth about the madness on the left.

"...Yet singling out Trump for the turmoil engulfing the country is possible only if you disregard the No. 1 contributor: the refusal of Democrats and most of the media to accept the results of the 2016 election.

That refusal has become, among many on the left, borderline psychotic. Nothing else compares to the damage it is doing to our ­nation’s fabric and global image.

Trump’s irritating foibles and unorthodox ways pale in comparison. The continuing challenge to his legitimacy is a cancer on the republic.

It is one thing for a president to suffer brickbats for failures and mistakes. That’s fair game.

But no president in modern times has also faced endless assaults on his right to even set foot in the Oval Office and exercise the powers of the presidency. Yet here we are, nearing the third anniversary of his election by a decisive margin, and still the resistance to his right to govern rages on.

The precedent is terrifying. If this is the start of losers always declaring election results invalid, America is doomed."
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This talking point that this is all because of the result of the 2016 election is ridiculous. Impeachment does not overturn an election. It removes a "crook" from office.
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(10-14-2019 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This talking point that this is all because of the result of the 2016 election is ridiculous. Impeachment does not overturn an election. It removes a "crook" from office.

The "crook" had not even assumed office when the impeachment talk started.
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(10-14-2019 10:43 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This talking point that this is all because of the result of the 2016 election is ridiculous. Impeachment does not overturn an election. It removes a "crook" from office.

The "crook" had not even assumed office when the impeachment talk started.

Semantics.
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(10-14-2019 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This talking point that this is all because of the result of the 2016 election is ridiculous. Impeachment does not overturn an election. It removes a "crook" from office.

Tom, do you know what an impeachment apparently does not do? Remove a philanderer and liar from office..... see Clinton, William Jefferson. He was impeached - right? I don't recall seeing his "Nixon Wave" as he boarded AF1 as he was flown back to Arkansas.
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(10-14-2019 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This talking point that this is all because of the result of the 2016 election is ridiculous. Impeachment does not overturn an election. It removes a "crook" from office.

You are becoming increasingly bitter.

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(10-14-2019 11:01 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This talking point that this is all because of the result of the 2016 election is ridiculous. Impeachment does not overturn an election. It removes a "crook" from office.

You are becoming increasingly bitter.

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Hardly, I'm just stating that this talking point is idiotic.

But yes, I should have clarified that impeachment is just bringing to trial and added the word "convicted" to crook. My bad. 04-cheers
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That talking point may be idiotic in your opinion but that hardly makes it so. The actions and comments from some on the left immediately after the election and in the following years certainly reinforce his point.
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(10-14-2019 10:53 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This talking point that this is all because of the result of the 2016 election is ridiculous. Impeachment does not overturn an election. It removes a "crook" from office.

Tom, do you know what an impeachment apparently does not do? Remove a philanderer and liar from office..... see Clinton, William Jefferson. He was impeached - right? I don't recall seeing his "Nixon Wave" as he boarded AF1 as he was flown back to Arkansas.

What it also does not do? Remove a person who commits a felony. Again, note Clinton, and read his statements that accompany the suspension of his law license.

So if it is to remove a crook from office, Clinton undoubtedly nailed the 'crook' with what most correctly identifying his actions as both obstruction and perjury. Now riddle me this: was Clinton removed from office?
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(10-14-2019 10:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This talking point that this is all because of the result of the 2016 election is ridiculous. Impeachment does not overturn an election. It removes a "crook" from office.

Exactly. Finally you stumbled into the truth. You need a crime--not the simply desire to remove. Depsite the best efforts or the wildly spinning Shifty Schiff and his supporting media---they still dont have one....and everyone knows it.
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I noticed how fast RWT dissembled the intent of the Post piece. We are a democracy and in our entire history every elected president had an orderly transfer of power until our First Socialist President Barak Obama vacated the position and the heir apparent refused to accept her rejection at the polls.

Even the South recognized the legitimacy of Lincoln, it's just that they elected their own in Jefferson Davis.

The Post is spot on here. Our society cannot exist as a democracy if the losers refuse to accept the results of the election. Half of the nation sucked it up for 8 years of arguably the most antagonistic president to hold office.

Right now the biggest threat to our country and our rights is the media. Their total disregard for truth and their desire to access power for their benefactors is beyond anything our forefathers could have foreseen.

I'm all for a free press, but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down. Tell the truth and any of them are free to operate, ask qny question they would like, and report.

Editorials are fine as long as they are clearly distinguished as such.

What the radical left, socialists and Marxists, is trying to do is to undermined democracy and present rule by executive order because they found that weakness worked well for them under Obama. That way he could circumvent Congress to accomplish his objectives regardless of the legislative process or the will of the electorate.

People like RWT want to keep everyone's attention away from these details because for them the ends justify the means. Well when that happens it won't be long before the other side resorts to the same and civil conflict ensues. That after all is the set of social conditions that favors the left. If the entrenched power overwhelms them it is the evil of the ruling class. If they rise up and gain power it is the liberation of the people. Either way those lying bastards claim a pyrrhic victory.

But when an election is held and their viewpoint is rejected it disempowers their cause so they must play victim which is right out of the left's playbook and all who engage in it here are doing their bidding either out of total ignorance, or by intent. And I don't think RWT is dumb.
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(10-14-2019 05:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I noticed how fast RWT dissembled the intent of the Post piece. We are a democracy and in our entire history every elected president had an orderly transfer of power until our First Socialist President Barak Obama vacated the position and the heir apparent refused to accept her rejection at the polls.

Even the South recognized the legitimacy of Lincoln, it's just that they elected their own in Jefferson Davis.

The Post is spot on here. Our society cannot exist as a democracy if the losers refuse to accept the results of the election. Half of the nation sucked it up for 8 years of arguably the most antagonistic president to hold office.

Right now the biggest threat to our country and our rights is the media. Their total disregard for truth and their desire to access power for their benefactors is beyond anything our forefathers could have foreseen.

I'm all for a free press, but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down. Tell the truth and any of them are free to operate, ask qny question they would like, and report.

Editorials are fine as long as they are clearly distinguished as such.

What the radical left, socialists and Marxists, is trying to do is to undermined democracy and present rule by executive order because they found that weakness worked well for them under Obama. That way he could circumvent Congress to accomplish his objectives regardless of the legislative process or the will of the electorate.

People like RWT want to keep everyone's attention away from these details because for them the ends justify the means. Well when that happens it won't be long before the other side resorts to the same and civil conflict ensues. That after all is the set of social conditions that favors the left. If the entrenched power overwhelms them it is the evil of the ruling class. If they rise up and gain power it is the liberation of the people. Either way those lying bastards claim a pyrrhic victory.

But when an election is held and their viewpoint is rejected it disempowers their cause so they must play victim which is right out of the left's playbook and all who engage in it here are doing their bidding either out of total ignorance, or by intent. And I don't think RWT is dumb.

I don't agree with you on this, but I think one change is critical. We need to give political and governmental figures the same rights to sue for slander and libel as normal people. They have made it so that normal people won't work for the government. Make Fake News York Times and CNN pay through the nose for their lies.
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(10-14-2019 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 05:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I noticed how fast RWT dissembled the intent of the Post piece. We are a democracy and in our entire history every elected president had an orderly transfer of power until our First Socialist President Barak Obama vacated the position and the heir apparent refused to accept her rejection at the polls.

Even the South recognized the legitimacy of Lincoln, it's just that they elected their own in Jefferson Davis.

The Post is spot on here. Our society cannot exist as a democracy if the losers refuse to accept the results of the election. Half of the nation sucked it up for 8 years of arguably the most antagonistic president to hold office.

Right now the biggest threat to our country and our rights is the media. Their total disregard for truth and their desire to access power for their benefactors is beyond anything our forefathers could have foreseen.

I'm all for a free press, but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down. Tell the truth and any of them are free to operate, ask qny question they would like, and report.

Editorials are fine as long as they are clearly distinguished as such.

What the radical left, socialists and Marxists, is trying to do is to undermined democracy and present rule by executive order because they found that weakness worked well for them under Obama. That way he could circumvent Congress to accomplish his objectives regardless of the legislative process or the will of the electorate.

People like RWT want to keep everyone's attention away from these details because for them the ends justify the means. Well when that happens it won't be long before the other side resorts to the same and civil conflict ensues. That after all is the set of social conditions that favors the left. If the entrenched power overwhelms them it is the evil of the ruling class. If they rise up and gain power it is the liberation of the people. Either way those lying bastards claim a pyrrhic victory.

But when an election is held and their viewpoint is rejected it disempowers their cause so they must play victim which is right out of the left's playbook and all who engage in it here are doing their bidding either out of total ignorance, or by intent. And I don't think RWT is dumb.

I don't agree with you on this, but I think one change is critical. We need to give political and governmental figures the same rights to sue for slander and libel as normal people. They have made it so that normal people won't work for the government. Make Fake News York Times and CNN pay through the nose for their lies.

What is it that you don't agree with?
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(10-14-2019 05:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I noticed how fast RWT dissembled the intent of the Post piece. We are a democracy and in our entire history every elected president had an orderly transfer of power until our First Socialist President Barak Obama vacated the position and the heir apparent refused to accept her rejection at the polls.

Even the South recognized the legitimacy of Lincoln, it's just that they elected their own in Jefferson Davis.

The Post is spot on here. Our society cannot exist as a democracy if the losers refuse to accept the results of the election. Half of the nation sucked it up for 8 years of arguably the most antagonistic president to hold office.

Right now the biggest threat to our country and our rights is the media. Their total disregard for truth and their desire to access power for their benefactors is beyond anything our forefathers could have foreseen.

I'm all for a free press, but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down. Tell the truth and any of them are free to operate, ask qny question they would like, and report.

Editorials are fine as long as they are clearly distinguished as such.

What the radical left, socialists and Marxists, is trying to do is to undermined democracy and present rule by executive order because they found that weakness worked well for them under Obama. That way he could circumvent Congress to accomplish his objectives regardless of the legislative process or the will of the electorate.

People like RWT want to keep everyone's attention away from these details because for them the ends justify the means. Well when that happens it won't be long before the other side resorts to the same and civil conflict ensues. That after all is the set of social conditions that favors the left. If the entrenched power overwhelms them it is the evil of the ruling class. If they rise up and gain power it is the liberation of the people. Either way those lying bastards claim a pyrrhic victory.

But when an election is held and their viewpoint is rejected it disempowers their cause so they must play victim which is right out of the left's playbook and all who engage in it here are doing their bidding either out of total ignorance, or by intent. And I don't think RWT is dumb.
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(10-14-2019 07:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 05:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I noticed how fast RWT dissembled the intent of the Post piece. We are a democracy and in our entire history every elected president had an orderly transfer of power until our First Socialist President Barak Obama vacated the position and the heir apparent refused to accept her rejection at the polls.

Even the South recognized the legitimacy of Lincoln, it's just that they elected their own in Jefferson Davis.

The Post is spot on here. Our society cannot exist as a democracy if the losers refuse to accept the results of the election. Half of the nation sucked it up for 8 years of arguably the most antagonistic president to hold office.

Right now the biggest threat to our country and our rights is the media. Their total disregard for truth and their desire to access power for their benefactors is beyond anything our forefathers could have foreseen.

I'm all for a free press, but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down. Tell the truth and any of them are free to operate, ask qny question they would like, and report.

Editorials are fine as long as they are clearly distinguished as such.

What the radical left, socialists and Marxists, is trying to do is to undermined democracy and present rule by executive order because they found that weakness worked well for them under Obama. That way he could circumvent Congress to accomplish his objectives regardless of the legislative process or the will of the electorate.

People like RWT want to keep everyone's attention away from these details because for them the ends justify the means. Well when that happens it won't be long before the other side resorts to the same and civil conflict ensues. That after all is the set of social conditions that favors the left. If the entrenched power overwhelms them it is the evil of the ruling class. If they rise up and gain power it is the liberation of the people. Either way those lying bastards claim a pyrrhic victory.

But when an election is held and their viewpoint is rejected it disempowers their cause so they must play victim which is right out of the left's playbook and all who engage in it here are doing their bidding either out of total ignorance, or by intent. And I don't think RWT is dumb.

I don't agree with you on this, but I think one change is critical. We need to give political and governmental figures the same rights to sue for slander and libel as normal people. They have made it so that normal people won't work for the government. Make Fake News York Times and CNN pay through the nose for their lies.

What is it that you don't agree with?
This part:
"but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down"
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(10-14-2019 09:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 07:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 05:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I noticed how fast RWT dissembled the intent of the Post piece. We are a democracy and in our entire history every elected president had an orderly transfer of power until our First Socialist President Barak Obama vacated the position and the heir apparent refused to accept her rejection at the polls.

Even the South recognized the legitimacy of Lincoln, it's just that they elected their own in Jefferson Davis.

The Post is spot on here. Our society cannot exist as a democracy if the losers refuse to accept the results of the election. Half of the nation sucked it up for 8 years of arguably the most antagonistic president to hold office.

Right now the biggest threat to our country and our rights is the media. Their total disregard for truth and their desire to access power for their benefactors is beyond anything our forefathers could have foreseen.

I'm all for a free press, but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down. Tell the truth and any of them are free to operate, ask qny question they would like, and report.

Editorials are fine as long as they are clearly distinguished as such.

What the radical left, socialists and Marxists, is trying to do is to undermined democracy and present rule by executive order because they found that weakness worked well for them under Obama. That way he could circumvent Congress to accomplish his objectives regardless of the legislative process or the will of the electorate.

People like RWT want to keep everyone's attention away from these details because for them the ends justify the means. Well when that happens it won't be long before the other side resorts to the same and civil conflict ensues. That after all is the set of social conditions that favors the left. If the entrenched power overwhelms them it is the evil of the ruling class. If they rise up and gain power it is the liberation of the people. Either way those lying bastards claim a pyrrhic victory.

But when an election is held and their viewpoint is rejected it disempowers their cause so they must play victim which is right out of the left's playbook and all who engage in it here are doing their bidding either out of total ignorance, or by intent. And I don't think RWT is dumb.

I don't agree with you on this, but I think one change is critical. We need to give political and governmental figures the same rights to sue for slander and libel as normal people. They have made it so that normal people won't work for the government. Make Fake News York Times and CNN pay through the nose for their lies.

What is it that you don't agree with?
This part:
"but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down"

If they are deceiving the public why on earth should they be permitted to broadcast or publish? A free People are dependent upon truth in the information they receive if they are to make sound decisions.

I do understand the fear that who determines the truth could become a tool for deceit as well, but if it can be clearly proven that the disinformation or lies were intentional I see no reason to let them continue.

Right now I'm very weary of the intentional spin, lies, and innuendo that gets passed here on this thread as a substantive topic. It's death of the truth by a 1000 paper cuts. Throw enough lies out and nobody believes anything and at that point informed decisions in a democracy cannot be made. Letting disinformation and lies continue is giving into the tactics of our enemy.
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(10-14-2019 05:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I noticed how fast RWT dissembled the intent of the Post piece. We are a democracy and in our entire history every elected president had an orderly transfer of power until our First Socialist President Barak [sic] Obama vacated the position and the heir apparent refused to accept her rejection at the polls.

Simply moronic.
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(10-14-2019 09:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 09:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 07:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 06:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-14-2019 05:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I noticed how fast RWT dissembled the intent of the Post piece. We are a democracy and in our entire history every elected president had an orderly transfer of power until our First Socialist President Barak Obama vacated the position and the heir apparent refused to accept her rejection at the polls.

Even the South recognized the legitimacy of Lincoln, it's just that they elected their own in Jefferson Davis.

The Post is spot on here. Our society cannot exist as a democracy if the losers refuse to accept the results of the election. Half of the nation sucked it up for 8 years of arguably the most antagonistic president to hold office.

Right now the biggest threat to our country and our rights is the media. Their total disregard for truth and their desire to access power for their benefactors is beyond anything our forefathers could have foreseen.

I'm all for a free press, but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down. Tell the truth and any of them are free to operate, ask qny question they would like, and report.

Editorials are fine as long as they are clearly distinguished as such.

What the radical left, socialists and Marxists, is trying to do is to undermined democracy and present rule by executive order because they found that weakness worked well for them under Obama. That way he could circumvent Congress to accomplish his objectives regardless of the legislative process or the will of the electorate.

People like RWT want to keep everyone's attention away from these details because for them the ends justify the means. Well when that happens it won't be long before the other side resorts to the same and civil conflict ensues. That after all is the set of social conditions that favors the left. If the entrenched power overwhelms them it is the evil of the ruling class. If they rise up and gain power it is the liberation of the people. Either way those lying bastards claim a pyrrhic victory.

But when an election is held and their viewpoint is rejected it disempowers their cause so they must play victim which is right out of the left's playbook and all who engage in it here are doing their bidding either out of total ignorance, or by intent. And I don't think RWT is dumb.

I don't agree with you on this, but I think one change is critical. We need to give political and governmental figures the same rights to sue for slander and libel as normal people. They have made it so that normal people won't work for the government. Make Fake News York Times and CNN pay through the nose for their lies.

What is it that you don't agree with?
This part:
"but any news organization caught monkeying with the truth should lose its broadcast and publication license and be shut down"

If they are deceiving the public why on earth should they be permitted to broadcast or publish? A free People are dependent upon truth in the information they receive if they are to make sound decisions.

I do understand the fear that who determines the truth could become a tool for deceit as well, but if it can be clearly proven that the disinformation or lies were intentional I see no reason to let them continue.

Right now I'm very weary of the intentional spin, lies, and innuendo that gets passed here on this thread as a substantive topic. It's death of the truth by a 1000 paper cuts. Throw enough lies out and nobody believes anything and at that point informed decisions in a democracy cannot be made. Letting disinformation and lies continue is giving into the tactics of our enemy.


If they lie about public people, let them be sued. Silencing them by having some person define "truth" is the tool of the left.
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