Buf Buf Buffalo is now bowl eligible.

So we have a surplus of grungy 6-win MAC schools.

We now have 72 schools eligible. Counting Missouri, there are 15 schools who could become eligible next week without resorting to APR qualifiers. Vegas hasn't posted spreads for this week yet, but it's likely there won't be more than 6-7 of those schools favored. Missouri would have to win against Arkansas (likely) and either win its appeal or get in by virtue of the NCAA not ruling on the appeal in a timely fashion. The NCAA is probably rooting for Arkansas.

This will probably go right down to the wire.

(11-24-2019 07:36 AM)ken d Wrote:  We now have 72 schools eligible. Counting Missouri, there are 15 schools who could become eligible next week without resorting to APR qualifiers. Vegas hasn't posted spreads for this week yet, but it's likely there won't be more than 6-7 of those schools favored. Missouri would have to win against Arkansas (likely) and either win its appeal or get in by virtue of the NCAA not ruling on the appeal in a timely fashion. The NCAA is probably rooting for Arkansas.

This will probably go right down to the wire.

Yes, I hope Mizzou wins, just to force the NCAA's hand and make them rule on the appeal. You know they would rather not, but sadly Arkansas would struggle to beat Wofford right now so it's likely they will have to.

(11-20-2019 10:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Buf Buf Buffalo is now bowl eligible.

So we have a surplus of grungy 6-win MAC schools.

If Akron, Buffalo, EMU and Toledo all win next week, then there actually wouldn't be any "grungy 6-win MAC school"s at all. But not all of those are favored.

Odds are that Buffalo will end up being a slightly less grungy 7-win MAC school, since they have the good fortune to end their regular season against Bowling Green.

However, they are likely to be replaced by Ohio, which will be strongly favored to become a "grungy 6-win MAC school" at the expense of Akron.

The EMU/Kent State game could help narrow down the ranks of the "grungy 6-win MAC schools" by upgrading EMU to a 7-win school ... but hopefully we will win, and the result will be two "grungy six win MAC schools" coming out of that game.

(11-24-2019 08:33 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 10:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Buf Buf Buffalo is now bowl eligible.

So we have a surplus of grungy 6-win MAC schools.

If Akron, Buffalo, EMU and Toledo all win next week, then there actually wouldn't be any "grungy 6-win MAC school"s at all. But not all of those are favored.

Odds are that Buffalo will end up being a slightly less grungy 7-win MAC school, since they have the good fortune to end their regular season against Bowling Green.

However, they are likely to be replaced by Ohio, which will be strongly favored to become a "grungy 6-win MAC school" at the expense of Akron.

The EMU/Kent State game could help narrow down the ranks of the "grungy 6-win MAC schools" by upgrading EMU to a 7-win school ... but hopefully we will win, and the result will be two "grungy six win MAC schools" coming out of that game.

Like last year, if there are more bowl-eligible teams than bowl slots, MAC grungers will be particularly vulnerable in the musical-chairs game, as the weak MAC bowl lineup will mean more MAC teams available than MAC bowl tie-ins.

Heck, the MAC already has exceeded its guaranteed ties - six eligible teams with five guaranteed ties. Need to hope the B1G or ACC can't fill the Quick Lane spot.

Any more MAC teams become eligible and its free-floater time.

(11-24-2019 08:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 08:33 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 10:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Buf Buf Buffalo is now bowl eligible.

So we have a surplus of grungy 6-win MAC schools.

If Akron, Buffalo, EMU and Toledo all win next week, then there actually wouldn't be any "grungy 6-win MAC school"s at all. But not all of those are favored.

Odds are that Buffalo will end up being a slightly less grungy 7-win MAC school, since they have the good fortune to end their regular season against Bowling Green.

However, they are likely to be replaced by Ohio, which will be strongly favored to become a "grungy 6-win MAC school" at the expense of Akron.

The EMU/Kent State game could help narrow down the ranks of the "grungy 6-win MAC schools" by upgrading EMU to a 7-win school ... but hopefully we will win, and the result will be two "grungy six win MAC schools" coming out of that game.

Like last year, if there are more bowl-eligible teams than bowl slots, MAC grungers will be particularly vulnerable in the musical-chairs game, as the weak MAC bowl lineup will mean more MAC teams available than MAC bowl tie-ins.

Heck, the MAC already has exceeded its guaranteed ties - six eligible teams with five guaranteed ties. Need to hope the B1G or ACC can't fill the Quick Lane spot.

Any more MAC teams become eligible and its free-floater time.

Rutgers (B-10) is out so the MAC can take their place in Detroit. South Carolina (SEC) is out so the MAC can take their place in Birmingham too.

Charlotte and FIU are both bowl eligible with 6 wins. Charlotte probably gets win #7 next weekend at ODU. FIU chances are not as good with a game at Marshall who is still vying to win CUSA East with a win and FAU loss.

(11-24-2019 10:36 AM)panite Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 08:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 08:33 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 10:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Buf Buf Buffalo is now bowl eligible.

So we have a surplus of grungy 6-win MAC schools.

If Akron, Buffalo, EMU and Toledo all win next week, then there actually wouldn't be any "grungy 6-win MAC school"s at all. But not all of those are favored.

Odds are that Buffalo will end up being a slightly less grungy 7-win MAC school, since they have the good fortune to end their regular season against Bowling Green.

However, they are likely to be replaced by Ohio, which will be strongly favored to become a "grungy 6-win MAC school" at the expense of Akron.

The EMU/Kent State game could help narrow down the ranks of the "grungy 6-win MAC schools" by upgrading EMU to a 7-win school ... but hopefully we will win, and the result will be two "grungy six win MAC schools" coming out of that game.

Like last year, if there are more bowl-eligible teams than bowl slots, MAC grungers will be particularly vulnerable in the musical-chairs game, as the weak MAC bowl lineup will mean more MAC teams available than MAC bowl tie-ins.

Heck, the MAC already has exceeded its guaranteed ties - six eligible teams with five guaranteed ties. Need to hope the B1G or ACC can't fill the Quick Lane spot.

Any more MAC teams become eligible and its free-floater time.

Rutgers (B-10) is out so the MAC can take their place in Detroit. South Carolina (SEC) is out so the MAC can take their place in Birmingham too.

IIRC, the MAC has first dibs on the Detroit Bowl, but would have to vie with CUSA for the Birmingham Bowl.

But that could happen.

(11-24-2019 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:36 AM)ken d Wrote:  We now have 72 schools eligible. Counting Missouri, there are 15 schools who could become eligible next week without resorting to APR qualifiers. Vegas hasn't posted spreads for this week yet, but it's likely there won't be more than 6-7 of those schools favored. Missouri would have to win against Arkansas (likely) and either win its appeal or get in by virtue of the NCAA not ruling on the appeal in a timely fashion. The NCAA is probably rooting for Arkansas.

This will probably go right down to the wire.

Yes, I hope Mizzou wins, just to force the NCAA's hand and make them rule on the appeal. You know they would rather not, but sadly Arkansas would struggle to beat Wofford right now so it's likely they will have to.

As long as their probation is under appeal, doesn’t that mean they would retain bowl eligibility until they get a ruling? Or do I have that reversed?

(11-24-2019 02:04 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:36 AM)ken d Wrote:  We now have 72 schools eligible. Counting Missouri, there are 15 schools who could become eligible next week without resorting to APR qualifiers. Vegas hasn't posted spreads for this week yet, but it's likely there won't be more than 6-7 of those schools favored. Missouri would have to win against Arkansas (likely) and either win its appeal or get in by virtue of the NCAA not ruling on the appeal in a timely fashion. The NCAA is probably rooting for Arkansas.

This will probably go right down to the wire.

Yes, I hope Mizzou wins, just to force the NCAA's hand and make them rule on the appeal. You know they would rather not, but sadly Arkansas would struggle to beat Wofford right now so it's likely they will have to.

As long as their probation is under appeal, doesn’t that mean they would retain bowl eligibility until they get a ruling? Or do I have that reversed?

You are correct. It's screwy, but under the rules, once Missouri appealed, they became eligible. The NCAA has to deny the appeal for them to be ineligible. If Mizzou beats Arkansas and the NCAA does not act in any way, then Mizzou would go to a bowl game.

(11-24-2019 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:04 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:36 AM)ken d Wrote:  We now have 72 schools eligible. Counting Missouri, there are 15 schools who could become eligible next week without resorting to APR qualifiers. Vegas hasn't posted spreads for this week yet, but it's likely there won't be more than 6-7 of those schools favored. Missouri would have to win against Arkansas (likely) and either win its appeal or get in by virtue of the NCAA not ruling on the appeal in a timely fashion. The NCAA is probably rooting for Arkansas.

This will probably go right down to the wire.

Yes, I hope Mizzou wins, just to force the NCAA's hand and make them rule on the appeal. You know they would rather not, but sadly Arkansas would struggle to beat Wofford right now so it's likely they will have to.

As long as their probation is under appeal, doesn’t that mean they would retain bowl eligibility until they get a ruling? Or do I have that reversed?

You are correct. It's screwy, but under the rules, once Missouri appealed, they became eligible. The NCAA has to deny the appeal for them to be ineligible. If Mizzou beats Arkansas and the NCAA does not act in any way, then Mizzou would go to a bowl game.

but then if the NCAA upholds, they would be out for next season... AND guys that would be seniors would be allowed to transfer to another school with no penalty. So it's hardly a win for Missouri.

(11-24-2019 02:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:04 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:36 AM)ken d Wrote:  We now have 72 schools eligible. Counting Missouri, there are 15 schools who could become eligible next week without resorting to APR qualifiers. Vegas hasn't posted spreads for this week yet, but it's likely there won't be more than 6-7 of those schools favored. Missouri would have to win against Arkansas (likely) and either win its appeal or get in by virtue of the NCAA not ruling on the appeal in a timely fashion. The NCAA is probably rooting for Arkansas.

This will probably go right down to the wire.

Yes, I hope Mizzou wins, just to force the NCAA's hand and make them rule on the appeal. You know they would rather not, but sadly Arkansas would struggle to beat Wofford right now so it's likely they will have to.

As long as their probation is under appeal, doesn’t that mean they would retain bowl eligibility until they get a ruling? Or do I have that reversed?

You are correct. It's screwy, but under the rules, once Missouri appealed, they became eligible. The NCAA has to deny the appeal for them to be ineligible. If Mizzou beats Arkansas and the NCAA does not act in any way, then Mizzou would go to a bowl game.

but then if the NCAA upholds, they would be out for next season... AND guys that would be seniors would be allowed to transfer to another school with no penalty. So it's hardly a win for Missouri.

I suspect what will happen is Mizzou will beat Arkansas and then the NCAA will deny their appeal within a day or two. If somehow Arkansas beats Mizzou, we will never hear a peep from the NCAA about it again. That is what the NCAA wants to happen.

There is no reason for the NCAA to allow Mizzou to go to a bowl this year and not next year. But then again the NCAA sometimes works in mysterious ways, LOL.

(11-24-2019 03:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:04 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, I hope Mizzou wins, just to force the NCAA's hand and make them rule on the appeal. You know they would rather not, but sadly Arkansas would struggle to beat Wofford right now so it's likely they will have to.

As long as their probation is under appeal, doesn’t that mean they would retain bowl eligibility until they get a ruling? Or do I have that reversed?

You are correct. It's screwy, but under the rules, once Missouri appealed, they became eligible. The NCAA has to deny the appeal for them to be ineligible. If Mizzou beats Arkansas and the NCAA does not act in any way, then Mizzou would go to a bowl game.

but then if the NCAA upholds, they would be out for next season... AND guys that would be seniors would be allowed to transfer to another school with no penalty. So it's hardly a win for Missouri.

I suspect what will happen is Mizzou will beat Arkansas and then the NCAA will deny their appeal within a day or two. If somehow Arkansas beats Mizzou, we will never hear a peep from the NCAA about it again. That is what the NCAA wants to happen.

There is no reason for the NCAA to allow Mizzou to go to a bowl this year and not next year. But then again the NCAA sometimes works in mysterious ways, LOL.

it'll be interesting if Missouri wins but we're only at 77 w/o them.... Which is very possible.....

(11-24-2019 03:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:04 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, I hope Mizzou wins, just to force the NCAA's hand and make them rule on the appeal. You know they would rather not, but sadly Arkansas would struggle to beat Wofford right now so it's likely they will have to.

As long as their probation is under appeal, doesn’t that mean they would retain bowl eligibility until they get a ruling? Or do I have that reversed?

You are correct. It's screwy, but under the rules, once Missouri appealed, they became eligible. The NCAA has to deny the appeal for them to be ineligible. If Mizzou beats Arkansas and the NCAA does not act in any way, then Mizzou would go to a bowl game.

but then if the NCAA upholds, they would be out for next season... AND guys that would be seniors would be allowed to transfer to another school with no penalty. So it's hardly a win for Missouri.

I suspect what will happen is Mizzou will beat Arkansas and then the NCAA will deny their appeal within a day or two. If somehow Arkansas beats Mizzou, we will never hear a peep from the NCAA about it again. That is what the NCAA wants to happen.

There is no reason for the NCAA to allow Mizzou to go to a bowl this year and not next year. But then again the NCAA sometimes works in mysterious ways, LOL.

Obviously not in the NCAA’s interest to rule until it matters.

I’m cynical enough to think that if the NCAA is faced with the choice of a 6-6 Mizzou bowling and reversing the ban or a 5-7 going bowling that they will find Mizzou’s appeal meritorious and send them to a bowl.


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(11-24-2019 05:22 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 03:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 02:04 PM)Realigned Wrote:  As long as their probation is under appeal, doesn’t that mean they would retain bowl eligibility until they get a ruling? Or do I have that reversed?

You are correct. It's screwy, but under the rules, once Missouri appealed, they became eligible. The NCAA has to deny the appeal for them to be ineligible. If Mizzou beats Arkansas and the NCAA does not act in any way, then Mizzou would go to a bowl game.

but then if the NCAA upholds, they would be out for next season... AND guys that would be seniors would be allowed to transfer to another school with no penalty. So it's hardly a win for Missouri.

I suspect what will happen is Mizzou will beat Arkansas and then the NCAA will deny their appeal within a day or two. If somehow Arkansas beats Mizzou, we will never hear a peep from the NCAA about it again. That is what the NCAA wants to happen.

There is no reason for the NCAA to allow Mizzou to go to a bowl this year and not next year. But then again the NCAA sometimes works in mysterious ways, LOL.

Obviously not in the NCAA’s interest to rule until it matters.

I’m cynical enough to think that if the NCAA is faced with the choice of a 6-6 Mizzou bowling and reversing the ban or a 5-7 going bowling that they will find Mizzou’s appeal meritorious and send them to a bowl.


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I would be OK with that. Better Mizzou in a bowl than a 5-7 bottom feeder.

I rather see schools punish for their crimes. If Missouri was a G5 school? NCAA will deny them flat out. This would be not fair to show favortism.

Of the 15 schools (including Missouri) still not eligible, 8 are underdogs this week.

In order of the date/time these games will be played, these are the 8 underdogs (point spread in parentheses).

Kent State @ Eastern Michigan (5 1/2)
Texas Tech @ Texas (9 1/2)
Nebraska vs Iowa (5 1/2)
Troy vs Appalachian State (10 1/2)
Boston College @ Pitt (9 1/2)
Oregon State @ Oregon (20)
Colorado @ Utah (28)
LA Monroe @ Louisiana (21)

The 7 favorites are:

Ohio @ Akron (27 1/2)
Mississippi State vs Ole Miss (2)
Missouri @ Arkansas (12)
TCU vs West Virginia (12)
Liberty vs new Mexico State (14)
Michigan State vs Maryland (19)
UNC @ NC State (8)

(11-24-2019 07:19 PM)ken d Wrote:  Of the 15 schools (including Missouri) still not eligible, 8 are underdogs this week.

In order of the date/time these games will be played, these are the 8 underdogs (point spread in parentheses).

Kent State @ Eastern Michigan (5 1/2)
Texas Tech @ Texas (9 1/2)
Nebraska vs Iowa (5 1/2)
Troy vs Appalachian State (10 1/2)
Boston College @ Pitt (9 1/2)
Oregon State @ Oregon (20)
Colorado @ Utah (28)
LA Monroe @ Louisiana (21)

The 7 favorites are:

Ohio @ Akron (27 1/2)
Mississippi State vs Ole Miss (2)
Missouri @ Arkansas (12)
TCU vs West Virginia (12)
Liberty vs new Mexico State (14)
Michigan State vs Maryland (19)
UNC @ NC State (8)

Based on that, i think all the dogs lose, and six of the faves win, exception being Mississipi State.

Where would that leave us?

(11-24-2019 07:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 07:19 PM)ken d Wrote:  Of the 15 schools (including Missouri) still not eligible, 8 are underdogs this week.

In order of the date/time these games will be played, these are the 8 underdogs (point spread in parentheses).

Kent State @ Eastern Michigan (5 1/2)
Texas Tech @ Texas (9 1/2)
Nebraska vs Iowa (5 1/2)
Troy vs Appalachian State (10 1/2)
Boston College @ Pitt (9 1/2)
Oregon State @ Oregon (20)
Colorado @ Utah (28)
LA Monroe @ Louisiana (21)

The 7 favorites are:

Ohio @ Akron (27 1/2)
Mississippi State vs Ole Miss (2)
Missouri @ Arkansas (12)
TCU vs West Virginia (12)
Liberty vs new Mexico State (14)
Michigan State vs Maryland (19)
UNC @ NC State (8)

Based on that, i think all the dogs lose, and six of the faves win, exception being Mississipi State.

Where would that leave us?

right at 78, including Missouri....

one point, Texas Tech has been eliminated. They are 4-7.

Do not have Army on the list. They play at Hawaii.. And then vs Navy in 2 weeks.

Quote:Do not have Army on the list. They play at Hawaii.. And then vs Navy in 2 weeks.

They ain't bowlin'. :)

They played 2 FCS teams, so upsetting @Hawaii still won't make them bowl eligible at 6-6. They'd need to beat Navy AFTER bowl selections to become bowl eligible.

The only way they're possibly going is beating both and for some reason having a "conditional" invite between them and another team to go bowling. I highly highly doubt that'll happen.

Only way is if enough potential 6-6 teams fail -- still allowing a place for Army at 6-7 losing to Navy. Doubt it though.